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Old Aug 12, 09, 8:28 pm   #3421
 
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Also, 120,000 Alaska Airlines miles can allegedly be used for free first class on Cathay Pacific. So my voice says, that's only 240,000 coins!
Only 95,000 coins (after signup bonus) would be needed if you were using a BofA Alaska Airlines Visa.
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Old Aug 12, 09, 8:52 pm   #3422
 
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I paid another 2.5K of my tuitions and fees this afternoon with the coins. I've been paying it by coins on a weekly basis for the past a few weeks. Today the staff at the finance office told me they would need to file an SAR to IRS if my payment in cash reaches $10K within a semester. She kindly calculated my the value between my cash payments and $9999. So tomorrow I will pay my last $2.5K in coins before the new semester starts.

I had never thought that IRS would have require universities on cash payment >=$10K within ONE SEMESTER, as most tuitions and fees are far beyond $9999.
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Old Aug 12, 09, 10:47 pm   #3423
 
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Only 95,000 coins (after signup bonus) would be needed if you were using a BofA Alaska Airlines Visa.
How do you get 2 miles per $ with this card?
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Old Aug 12, 09, 11:00 pm   #3424
 
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I paid another 2.5K of my tuitions and fees this afternoon with the coins. I've been paying it by coins on a weekly basis for the past a few weeks. Today the staff at the finance office told me they would need to file an SAR to IRS if my payment in cash reaches $10K within a semester. She kindly calculated my the value between my cash payments and $9999. So tomorrow I will pay my last $2.5K in coins before the new semester starts.

I had never thought that IRS would have require universities on cash payment >=$10K within ONE SEMESTER, as most tuitions and fees are far beyond $9999.
Sounds like your University is getting testy. First of all, what they'd be filing is a CTR (Currency Transaction Report), not a SAR (Suspicious Activity Report). They're two very different things.

Second of all, your University I'm guessing is not either A) Money Service Business or B) Financial Institution so I'm not sure why they'd be filing SARs or CTRs in the first place.

Third of all, CTRs are filed when a cash transaction (deposit / withdrawl) exceeeds $10,000 in a single day (NOT a semester).

So I think someone is either A) very misinformed at your University or B) just pissed that they have to handle all this coin and are trying to scare you to stop.
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Old Aug 12, 09, 11:03 pm   #3425
 
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How do you get 2 miles per $ with this card?
I think that I misread his post. I assumed, probably incorrectly, that he only wanted one ticket.
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Old Aug 12, 09, 11:05 pm   #3426
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Third of all, CTRs are filed when a cash transaction (deposit / withdrawl) exceeeds $10,000 in a single day (NOT a semester).
or when there is reason to believe that transactions are structured as such to stay under the daily limit.

A semester's tuition bill could easily be considered one unit.
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Old Aug 12, 09, 11:11 pm   #3427
 
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or when there is reason to believe that transactions are structured as such to stay under the daily limit.

A semester's tuition bill could easily be considered one unit.
And that's when a SAR is filed, not a CTR, but even so, Universities are not required to file CTRs or SARs.

What they might be talking about is this form:

"Report of Cash Payments Over $10,000 Received in Trade or Business"

http://www.fincen.gov/forms/files/fi...ashover10k.pdf
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Old Aug 13, 09, 12:00 am   #3428
 
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I paid another 2.5K of my tuitions and fees this afternoon with the coins. I've been paying it by coins on a weekly basis for the past a few weeks. Today the staff at the finance office told me they would need to file an SAR to IRS if my payment in cash reaches $10K within a semester. She kindly calculated my the value between my cash payments and $9999. So tomorrow I will pay my last $2.5K in coins before the new semester starts.

I had never thought that IRS would have require universities on cash payment >=$10K within ONE SEMESTER, as most tuitions and fees are far beyond $9999.
As Chimney826 said, sounds like a CTR, not an SAR. Let them file, CTRs get filed all the time and it isn't a big deal. SARs aren't a big deal. You're not doing anything wrong. You have the documentation. I would NOT hit $9999 with the coins and quit, that is either structuring, or is WAY too close to structuring for my comfort. Structuring is a crime and it doesn't matter what the source of the money is and it doesn't matter that all the activities surrounding the money are legal. DO NOT alter your behavior in any way due to the prospect of having a CTR filed.

Some people are WAY WAY too concerned about the CTR. Don't worry about the CTR. DO NOT come anywhere close to committing a crime in furtherance of a LEGAL activity.
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Old Aug 13, 09, 12:06 am   #3429
 
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I think that I misread his post. I assumed, probably incorrectly, that he only wanted one ticket.
Yeah, I want two tickets, and I am going to get the Alaska Airlines Visa like you suggest. I think I will not undertake the Cathay Pacific project, though; that's a really massive undertaking and I don't actually believe it is only 240,000 miles for the two tickets. You know how it is, the minimum number of miles you need for such-and-such ticket ix X, but they only have one ticket at that price, the real price for the tickets they actually have is 2X.

But that doesn't stop my voice from whispering to me "Come on, you know you want it, what's another couple thousand pounds of coins more or less. So it's four tons, not two, who cares."
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Old Aug 13, 09, 12:13 am   #3430
 
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Yeah, I want two tickets, and I am going to get the Alaska Airlines Visa like you suggest. I think I will not undertake the Cathay Pacific project, though; that's a really massive undertaking and I don't actually believe it is only 240,000 miles for the two tickets. You know how it is, the minimum number of miles you need for such-and-such ticket ix X, but they only have one ticket at that price, the real price for the tickets they actually have is 2X.

But that doesn't stop my voice from whispering to me "Come on, you know you want it, what's another couple thousand pounds of coins more or less. So it's four tons, not two, who cares."
Yeah, as has been mentioned earlier...if only we could just get the Mint to deliver directly to our financial institution. Sure would make the whole process more efficient!
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Old Aug 13, 09, 2:06 am   #3431
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Has Anyone Tried Buying Money Orders with Coins?

Although the size of the transactions may not be as big, it opens up a new source of diposing of the coins (I mean getting them in circulation)

1. Buy a money order. 2. Deposit the money order in the bank. 3. Payoff the credit card.

Or 1. Buy a money order. 2. Send it to the credit card company for payoff?

At least the money order store will get 79 cents for the effort.

And grocery store carts are much easier for hauling these things than using my back and shoulders anymore. Every grocery store sells money orders.
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Old Aug 13, 09, 7:23 am   #3432
 
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Although the size of the transactions may not be as big, it opens up a new source of diposing of the coins (I mean getting them in circulation)

1. Buy a money order. 2. Deposit the money order in the bank. 3. Payoff the credit card.

Or 1. Buy a money order. 2. Send it to the credit card company for payoff?

At least the money order store will get 79 cents for the effort.

And grocery store carts are much easier for hauling these things than using my back and shoulders anymore. Every grocery store sells money orders.
Where would you buy MO? Last I remember, Walmart/USPS don't want to take massive amount of coins. If you know a place, please share. Thanks.
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Old Aug 13, 09, 8:55 am   #3433
 
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And grocery store carts are much easier for hauling these things than using my back and shoulders anymore.
For this exact reason, I opened up an account with a bank that has branches inside of grocery stores, WalMart & Sams Club!
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Old Aug 13, 09, 9:11 am   #3434
 
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Follow up on SAR or CTR?

Had my first "report" done on me by a bank today while depositing $2K. I deposited once before at this branch a few months ago, but I'm sure they don't remember me; they're just peeved that people keep dumping these coins on them. Today, they asked me for photo ID, my occupation, & how much I'd deposited in total. I honestly couldn't tell them the answer to the last question as it's been tons but never more than $2500 at a time or more than total $8000 in one day at different branches. (I live in a large metro city with many banks/branches. I don't have a car, but drop them off on my way to work via subway/bus, and I can't comfortably carry more than $2500 at a time). The teller just kept repeating "this isn't right" but couldn't tell me what the problem was except that she didn't want to accept the coins. I explained where I got them and why, but it didn't sink into her skull. Anyway...what kind of follow up can I expect from the feds/IRS? I know I'm not doing anything wrong, but this hobby of mine is only worth so much hassle. How long has it taken for the feds to follow up if they ever do?
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Old Aug 13, 09, 9:20 am   #3435
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Had my first "report" done on me by a bank today while depositing $2K. I deposited once before at this branch a few months ago, but I'm sure they don't remember me; they're just peeved that people keep dumping these coins on them. Today, they asked me for photo ID, my occupation, & how much I'd deposited in total. I honestly couldn't tell them the answer to the last question as it's been tons but never more than $2500 at a time or more than total $8000 in one day at different branches. (I live in a large metro city with many banks/branches. I don't have a car, but drop them off on my way to work via subway/bus, and I can't comfortably carry more than $2500 at a time). The teller just kept repeating "this isn't right" but couldn't tell me what the problem was except that she didn't want to accept the coins. I explained where I got them and why, but it didn't sink into her skull. Anyway...what kind of follow up can I expect from the feds/IRS? I know I'm not doing anything wrong, but this hobby of mine is only worth so much hassle. How long has it taken for the feds to follow up if they ever do?
I'm impressed that you can comfortably carry 2500 of them. That's almost 50 pounds!
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