Yes, you are missing the experience of flying US in domestic F class.
Last week on my 1 hour flight the FA never once got up from her seat. No pre-departure drink, no hot meal or packaged snack, and NO inflight beverage.
This was in comparison with my 1 hour F flight earlier in the day on OZ, where they served a gourmet 3 course meal with vintage champagne and Grand Cru Burgundy.
Sh!t happens, don't register on FT and immediately begin ranting to hardened travelers.
Yes, you are missing the experience of flying US in domestic F class.
Last week on my 1 hour flight the FA never once got up from her seat. No pre-departure drink, no hot meal or packaged snack, and NO inflight beverage.
This was in comparison with my 1 hour F flight earlier in the day on OZ, where they served a gourmet 3 course meal with vintage champagne and Grand Cru Burgundy.
Sh!t happens, don't register on FT and immediately begin ranting to hardened travelers.
Well goodie for you and OZ, but what does that have to do with anything in this thread? OP was commenting on LH and Europe and you babble about your recent orgasmic experience on OZ in Asia. I love SQ, but so what? This thread is about intra-Europe service.
And while US F service is indeed abysmal, at least one doesn't have to sit in a Y seat with no leg room, or connect in FRA.
I have to fly around the US and North America in horrid domestic Y on 2-3h flights on work all year. I would love to have your problems in european Y/C When my colleagues in Europe complain that the SEN lounge had no change in the menu since 4 weeks and the 'experience taste' menu on domestic/european C is slowly tasting horrid I just roll my eyes.
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It's not 60 minutes, my friend...
FRA - Frankfurt/Main (6 miles SW of Frankfurt city center)
Domestic to Domestic - 45 minutes
Domestic to International - 45 minutes
International to Domestic - 45 minutes
International to International - 45 minutes
The OP is right though when it comes to MCT. I have been to Berlin this year when Fraport and Lufthansa received a ridiculous so called logistics award 2008 for the great connection service they offer at their FRA hub. The official press release also states those 45 minutes that I seemed to recall hearing at the event.
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And while US F service is indeed abysmal, at least one doesn't have to sit in a Y seat with no leg room, or connect in FRA.
Great.
The ultimate "what is worse game" once again
I have really missed that.
Let me contribute: A one hour flight in the US puts you frequently on some kind of shabby regional jet. And: Better a clear enhanced (widened) LH-Y-Seat than a shabby, non-ergonomic US/UA-F-Class seat (BANG). And: Connecting in FRA is certainly easier than connecting in one of the big US airports, in particular if you have the change the carrier (HIT).
The ulitmate differnce between Germany and the US is obvoius: 90% of the intra-Europe flight are in the range of an hour, whereas most of the US flights are longer. However, if you go on a one-hour US flight (eg. LGA-BOS) there is close to no service at all and the seats on this birds a so shabby, dirty and tired...
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Yes, you are missing the experience of flying US in domestic F class.
Last week on my 1 hour flight the FA never once got up from her seat. No pre-departure drink, no hot meal or packaged snack, and NO inflight beverage.
This was in comparison with my 1 hour F flight earlier in the day on OZ, where they served a gourmet 3 course meal with vintage champagne and Grand Cru Burgundy.
Sh!t happens, don't register on FT and immediately begin ranting to hardened travelers.
Well, I was on FT for a long time. I deactivated my account and stayed away for some time. Then, decided to rejoin. So, let's not talk to anyone here about longevity. That just makes it sound like you are the 3rd grade playground prince of a nonexistent exclusive kingdom.
Second, I'll put my BIS miles up against yours any day. If you want to talk to me about hardened travellers. I am American and have travelled most of my life on US carriers until 4 years ago when I was moved to Europe for my work. Now, I travel extensively throughout the world. In 4 years, I have 631,824 level miles with AFKL. I have credited 218,658 status miles to BD. I have flown an additional 42,027 miles credited to AA. And several other airlines that have no frequent flyer program or a useless program, but yet were the only carrier with service to my destination. Such as Pluna, FlyBaboo, myAir, AlpiEagles, and Bangkok Airlines. That puts me close to 1,000,000 BIS miles just the past 4 years. Certainly there are those that travel more than me, but this is not a competition.
I started this thread because my expectations did not meet my first-hand experience. I had never flown LH before last June and knew nothing about their product. After hearing a few colleagues just rave nonstop about LH and reading a few posts, I figured being forced to fly them would not be a bad thing and perhaps could be a great thing! Unfortunately, that has not come true. I gave it 6 months or so and after about 14 flight segments, I have found their service to be really lacking. I have questioned why in the world anyone would pay full fare for that product. I am not in control of that with this company. I just consult for them and they insist on booking it this way. Ok, fine, they can waste the money. Heck, I'd be satisfied with booking Y and keeping the difference between Y and C for myself! HAH! Of course, they wouldn't go for that. I just thought perhaps other long-time LH flyers could shed some light on why others rave nonstop about LH, but I was failing to see what was so great about them. Hence, have I been missing something?
I have questioned why in the world anyone would pay full fare for that product. I am not in control of that with this company. I just consult for them and they insist on booking it this way. Ok, fine, they can waste the money. Heck, I'd be satisfied with booking Y and keeping the difference between Y and C for myself! HAH! Of course, they wouldn't go for that.
So could you maybe PM me the name of that company so I can make sure I've sold all long positions? Thanks.
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Heck, I'd be satisfied with booking Y and keeping the difference between Y and C for myself! HAH! Of course, they wouldn't go for that.
As most of us are aware of, there is hardly any price difference on domestic travel between Y and C booking classes. There is a price difference between a flexible and a not so flexible or inflexible tickets, but this is a differen game. In Europe, you mostly pay for flexibility of a ticket, not for a bread role. If you need a fully flexible ticket, booking Economy will not give you a lot of savings.
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As most of us are aware of, there is hardly any price difference on domestic travel between Y and C booking classes.
Not anymore, that changed some time ago. Plus, LH introduced fully flexible B fares not too long ago for EU flights. Or was it for TATL flights? Anyway, the fare difference between YFLEX and CRT is now typically 20% or more, which isn't "hardly and price difference" but serious money.
Not anymore, that changed some time ago. Plus, LH introduced fully flexible B fares not too long ago for EU flights. Or was it for TATL flights? Anyway, the fare difference between YFLEX and CRT is now typically 20% or more, which isn't "hardly and price difference" but serious money.
Just checked to back this up and VCE-HEL on LH is 1085 euro r/t in full Y with a D fare at 1295 euro and CRT being 1798 euro. That is a huge difference.
Just checked to back this up and VCE-HEL on LH is 1085 euro r/t in full Y with a D fare at 1295 euro and CRT being 1798 euro. That is a huge difference.
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Not anymore, that changed some time ago. Plus, LH introduced fully flexible B fares not too long ago for EU flights. Or was it for TATL flights? Anyway, the fare difference between YFLEX and CRT is now typically 20% or more, which isn't "hardly and price difference" but serious money.
Thanks - I learn something new every day.
However, on the domestic routes there still is only 80 to 90 Euro difference. Not a big deal. You pay for lounge access (for not status customers), newspapers, choci, a G&T ans 1250 extra miles....
I stick to E, T (and seat 11A) and C Tickets (and seat 1A) for my domestic travel.
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When my colleagues in Europe complain that the SEN lounge had no change in the menu since 4 weeks and the 'experience taste' menu on domestic/european C is slowly tasting horrid I just roll my eyes.
