Alex0683de - thanks for that information. If I'm honest I find it staggering.
A couple of points, are LH checkin agents armed with tape measures to validate the 158cms limit?
Secondly, and perhaps more pertinant. My first two legs are with OS in C. Now an earlier post suggests that my bags will be checked all the way to CPT from LHR.
If my understanding (always in doubt) of the information from the OS website on baggage allowance is correct - I am entitled to 40Kgs as a FF (Miles&More member) plus 1 golf bag max 15kgs.
So, is the logic that as OS check in my clubs at LHR at no extra charge, all the way to CPT, a LH agent never sees my baggage, and no charge should incur?
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Alex0683de - thanks for that information. If I'm honest I find it staggering.
I agree. I also think it's very poor form.
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Originally Posted by bkm
A couple of points, are LH checkin agents armed with tape measures to validate the 158cms limit?
No idea, I've never tested the regulation. I would imagine that they have some solution in place though.
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Originally Posted by bkm
Secondly, and perhaps more pertinant. My first two legs are with OS in C. Now an earlier post suggests that my bags will be checked all the way to CPT from LHR.
If my understanding (always in doubt) of the information from the OS website on baggage allowance is correct - I am entitled to 40Kgs as a FF (Miles&More member) plus 1 golf bag max 15kgs.
So, is the logic that as OS check in my clubs at LHR at no extra charge, all the way to CPT, a LH agent never sees my baggage, and no charge should incur?
Or am I dreaming?
I *think* you're correct. LH will definitely not hit you with extra charges if OS checks your bags all the way through. The question is, will OS charge you at LHR for the LH sector? Probably not.
What kind of Miles&More member are you? "Frequent Traveller" means LH*S - not Miles&More members in general.
In any case, for Star Gold (non-LH), it says:
"Business Class 50kg**
** 1 golf bag (max. 15 kg) free of charge if within the specified free checked baggage allowance"
So you should be fine anyway, even without the 50kg +1 regulation for M&M status pax.
One thing though - what does your return flight look like? If it starts with CPT-FRA, you're going to have a hard time dodging the fee.
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Hi, anyone know the maximum size I can check in from PVG to OSL, and if I exceed the limits, how much do I have to pay? The rules focus on sports eqipment, but this is just a big box, around 90 x 90 x 90 cm. Would my *G status be of any help?
So let's say I fly HAM - LHR - LAX in Y, where the first leg is with LH and the second with UA.
If I carry, 2 bags, 20kg each, since my first operating carrier is LH, does this mean that I have to pay 20kg of excess luggage since I'm over my weight-concpet limit of 20kg, eventhough I am flying to LAX?
AFAIK, weight-concept applies to LHR.
PS: I never understood the purpose of the weight-concept, could someone expain?
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So let's say I fly HAM - LHR - LAX in Y, where the first leg is with LH and the second with UA.
If I carry, 2 bags, 20kg each, since my first operating carrier is LH, does this mean that I have to pay 20kg of excess luggage since I'm over my weight-concpet limit of 20kg, eventhough I am flying to LAX?
AFAIK, weight-concept applies to LHR.
PS: I never understood the purpose of the weight-concept, could someone expain?
If it is on one ticket, the whole itinerary is piece concept. If it is on two tickets, then it is weight concept on HAM-LHR and piece concept on LHR-LAX.
Weight concept simply means that you can take an unlimited number of pieces, but the total is limited to a certain weight. With piece concept, you are only allowed a certain number of pieces, and each piece has a certain weight restriction.
2/361: 03.02.09 Geänderte Freigepäckregelung nach Äthiopien
Für Reisen ab 15. Februar 2009 gilt unabhängig vom Ausstellungsdatum des Tickets das Stückkonzept („Piece Concept“) auch für Langstreckenflüge
• von / nach Äthiopien auf von Lufthansa durchgeführten Flügen
Dies bedeutet, dass jeder erwachsene Fluggast bis zu zwei Gepäckstücke kostenfrei aufgeben darf. Das zulässige Gewicht pro Gepäckstück beträgt 32 kg in First Class und Business Class bzw. 23 kg in Economy Class.
Das Piece Concept gilt bei Lufthansa für Reisen mit den folgenden Tarifursprüngen:
- von / nach USA
- von / nach Kanada
- von / nach Mexiko auf von Lufthansa durchgeführten Flügen
- von / nach West Afrika und Äthiopien (NG, GH, GQ, CM, AO, ET)
(LOS/ACC/ABV/PHC/SSG/LAD/ADD auf von Lufthansa durchgeführten Flügen
und DLA/YAO auf von Lufthansa oder SWISS durchgeführten Flügen)
- von / nach Südamerika (SAO/BUE) auf von Lufthansa durchgeführten Flügen
- Star Alliance Round the World Tarife
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Hi,
Im currently Star Gold with Thai but plan to switch much of my business as well as future miles earned from Thai to MM. Baggage allowance is one of the deal makers for me. However when looking at the MM status table and benefits I was a little confused about the baggage rules for MM status holders.
FTL Weight concept: a total of 40 kilos (7)
Piece concept: -
Senator: Weight concept: 20 kilos in addition (8)
Hon: Piece concept: one extra bag Weight concept: 20 kilos in addition (8)
Piece concept: one extra bag
Does the above mean that in addition to FTL entitlements Sen and Hon get an extra 20kg? That would mean total 60KG allowance in Y?? Too good to be true????
Any help much appreciated!
Cheers!
Hi,
Im currently Star Gold with Thai but plan to switch much of my business as well as future miles earned from Thai to MM. Baggage allowance is one of the deal makers for me. However when looking at the MM status table and benefits I was a little confused about the baggage rules for MM status holders.
FTL Weight concept: a total of 40 kilos (7)
Piece concept: -
Senator: Weight concept: 20 kilos in addition (8)
Hon: Piece concept: one extra bag Weight concept: 20 kilos in addition (8)
Piece concept: one extra bag
Does the above mean that in addition to FTL entitlements Sen and Hon get an extra 20kg? That would mean total 60KG allowance in Y?? Too good to be true????
Any help much appreciated!
Cheers!
Hi coinhunter!
Firstly I merged your thread with the general baggage regulation thread to keep all information in one thread.
Now lets turn to your question. No, it is not 60 kg in Y for Sens and HONs. It works the following way:
Weight concept:
FTL: First class luggage allowance which means 40kg in all classes or an additional 20kg in Y an additional 10kg in C and nothing in F.
SEN/HON: an additional 20kg in all classes or 40kg in Y 50 kg in C and 60kg in F
Take care!
Add: *G are allowed an additional piece or 20kg as well.
The piece rates charges are changing eff 15FEB 2009:
Code:
Piece Rates effective 15. Februar 2009
From Europe to:...................................................................2
From USA, Canada, South America to:............….………..3
From Mexico to:………………………………..………………4
From Middle East to:………………………………………….5
From Africa (exclusive West Afrika) to:……………………6
From West Africa and Ethipea to:…………………………..7
(West Africa = GH, NG, GQ, CM, AO, ET)………………….7
From Asie to:…………………………………………………...8
From Australia, New Zealand to:……………………………9
Last update: 03.02.09
From Europe to:
from EUROPE to USA, Canada,
Mexico, South
America
Australia/New
Zealand via
US
Afrika
Middle East
West Africa, Ethiopea
Asia
EUR USD EUR USD
within the free baggage
allowance of 2 pieces
heavier than 23kg up to 32kg
in Y/CL (= 1 flatrate) 100 150 100 150
bigger than 158cm (= 1
charge)
150 200 220 350
heavier than 23kg up to 32kg
in Y/CL and bigger than 158cm
(= 1 Flatrate + 1 charge)
250 350 320 500 Weight Concept
heavier than 32kg (= 1 flatrate
+ 1 charge) 250 350 320 500
heavier than 32kg and bigger
than 158cm (= 1 flatrate and 2
charges)
400 550 540 850
more than 2 pieces
extra piece (= 1 charge)
150 200 220 350
extra piece bigger than 158cm
(= 2 charges) 300 400 440 700
extra piece over 23kg up to
32kg Y/CL (= 2 charges) 300 400 440 700 Weight Concept
extra piece over 32kg (= 1
flatrate + 2 charges) 400 550 540 850
extra piece bigger than 158cm
and heavier than 32kg (= 1
flatrate + 3 charges)
550 750 760 1200
From USA, Canada, South America:
from USA, CANADA, SOUTH
AMERICA to
USD (CAD) USD (CAD) USD (CAD)
within the free baggage
allowance of 2 pieces
heavier than 23kg up to 32kg in
Y/CL( = 1 flatrate)
150 150 100
bigger than 158cm (= 1 charge)
200 250 100
heavier than 23kg up to 32kg in Y/CL
and bigger than 158cm (= 1 Flatrate
+ 1 charge)
350 400 200
heavier than 32kg (= 1 flatrate + 1
charge)
350 400 200
heavier than 32kg and bigger than
158cm (= 1 flatrate and 2 charges) 550 650 300
more than 2 pieces
extra piece (= 1 charge)
200 250 100
extra piece bigger than 158cm (= 2
charges)
400 500 200
extra piece over 23kg up to 32kg
Y/CL (= 2 charges)
400 500 200
extra piece over 32kg (= 1 flatrate +
2 charges)
550 650 300
extra piece bigger than 158cm and
heavier than 32kg ( = 1 flatrate + 3
charges)
750 900 400
Africa, Middle East,
Asia
Europe
between third
countries
From Mexico to:
from Mexico to
USD
within the free baggage
allowance of 2 pieces
heavier than 23kg up to 32kg in Y/CL
(= 1 flatrate)
150 150
bigger than 158cm (= 1 charge) 200 250
heavier than 23kg up to 32kg in Y/CL
and bigger than 158cm (= 1 Flatrate
+ 1 charge)
350 400
Weight
Concept
heavier than 32kg (= 1 flatrate + 1
charge)
350 400
heavier than 32kg and bigger than
158cm (= 1 flatrate and 2 charges) 550 650
more than 2 pieces
extra piece (= 1 charge)
200 250
extra piece bigger than 158cm (= 2
charges)
400 500
extra piece over 23kg up to 32kg
Y/CL (= 2 charges)
400 500
Weight
Concept
extra piece over 32kg (= 1 flatrate +
2 charges)
550 650
extra piece bigger than 158cm and
heavier than 32kg (= 1 flatrate + 3
charges)
750 900
Europe
West Africa,
Ethiopea, South
America
Africa,
Middle East,
Asia
From Middle East to:
Europe, Africa
from MIDDLE EAST to Asia, Mexico
Ethiopea
USD USD USD
within the free baggage
allowance of 2 pieces
heavier than 23kg up to 32kg in Y/CL
(= 1 flatrate)
150 150 100
bigger than 158cm (= 1 charge) 250 450 100
heavier than 23kg up to 32kg in Y/CL
and bigger than 158cm (= 1 Flatrate
+ 1 charge)
400 600 200 Weight Concept
heavier than 32kg (= 1 flatrate + 1
charge)
400 600 200
heavier than 32kg and bigger than
158cm (= 1 flatrate and 2 charges) 650 1050 300
more than 2 pieces
extra piece (= 1 charge)
250 450 100
extra piece bigger than 158cm (= 2
charges)
500 900 200
extra piece over 23kg up to 32kg
Y/CL (= 2 charges)
500 900 200 Weight Concept
extra piece over 32kg (= 1 flatrate +
2 charges)
650 1050 300
extra piece bigger than 158cm and
heavier than 32kg (= 1 flatrate + 3
charges)
900 1500 400
USA, Canada, South
America, West Africa
Australia/ New Zealand
via US
between third
countries
From Africa (exclusive West Africa and Ethipea) to:
Europe
from AFRICA (exclusive West
Africa and Ethiopea) to
Asia, Middle East,
Mexico
USD USD USD
within the free baggage
allowance of 2 pieces
heavier than 23kg up to 32kg in Y/CL
(= 1 flatrate)
150 150 100
bigger than 158cm (= 1 charge) 250 450 100
heavier than 23kg up to 32kg in Y/CL
and bigger than 158cm (= 1 Flatrate
+ 1 charge)
400 600 200 Weight Concept
heavier than 32kg (= 1 flatrate + 1
charge)
400 600 200
heavier than 32kg and bigger than
158cm (= 1 flatrate and 2 charges) 650 1050 300
more than 2 pieces
extra piece ( = 1 charge)
250 450 100
extra piece bigger than 158cm (= 2
charges)
500 900 200
extra piece over 23kg up to 32kg
Y/CL (= 2 charges)
500 900 200 Weight Concept
extra piece over 32kg (= 1 flatrate +
2 charges)
650 1050 300
extra piece bigger than 158cm and
heavier than 32kg (= 1 flatrate + 3
charges)
900 1500 400
Australia/ New Zealand
via US
USA, Canada,
South America
between third
countries
From West Africa and Ethiopea to:
(West Africa = GH, NG, GQ, CM, AO, ET)
from WEST AFRICA and
Ethiopea to
(GH, NG, GQ, CM, AO, ET)
USD USD USD USD
within the free baggage
allowance of 2 pieces
heavier than 23kg up to 32kg in Y/CL
(= 1 flatrate)
150 150 150 100
bigger than 158cm (= 1 charge) 200 250 450 100
heavier than 23kg up to 32kg in Y/CL
and bigger than 158cm (= 1 Flatrate
+ 1 charge)
350 400 600 200
heavier than 32kg (= 1 flatrate + 1
charge)
350 400 600 200
heavier than 32kg and bigger than
158cm (= 1 flatrate and 2 charges) 550 650 1050 300
more than 2 pieces
extra piece ( = 1 charge)
200 250 450 100
extra piece bigger than 158cm (= 2
charges)
400 500 900 200
extra piece over 23kg up to 32kg
Y/CL (= 2 charges)
400 500 900 200
extra piece over 32kg (= 1 flatrate +
2 charges)
550 650 1050 300
extra piece bigger than 158cm and
heavier than 32kg (= 1 flatrate + 3
charges)
750 900 1500 400
between third
countries
Europe
USA, Canada, Mexico,
South America, Middle
East, Asia
Australia/
New Zealand
From Asia to:
Europe
from ASIA to
Middle East, Africa,
Mexico
USD USD USD
within the free baggage
allowance of 2 pieces
heavier than 23kg up to 32kg in Y/CL
(= 1 flatrate)
150 150 100
bigger than 158cm (= 1 charge) 250 450 100
heavier than 23kg up to 32kg in Y/CL
and bigger than 158cm (= 1 Flatrate
+ 1 charge)
400 600 200 Weight Concept
heavier than 32kg (= 1 flatrate + 1
charge)
400 600 200
heavier than 32kg and bigger than
158cm (= 1 flatrate and 2 charges) 650 1050 300
more than 2 pieces
extra piece ( = 1 charge) 250 450 100
extra piece bigger than 158cm (= 2
charges)
500 900 200
extra piece over 23kg up to 32kg
Y/CL (= 2 charges)
500 900 200 Weight Concept
extra piece over 32kg (= 1 flatrate +
2 charges)
650 1050 300
extra piece bigger than 158cm and
heavier than 32kg (= 1 flatrate + 3
charges)
900 1500 400
Australia / New
Zealand via US
USA, Canada, South
America, West Africa,
Ethiopea
between third
countries
From Australia, New Zealand to:
from AUSTRALIA / NEW
ZEALAND to
via Asia
USD USD
within the free baggage
allowance of 2 pieces
heavier than 23kg up to 32kg in
Y/CL (= 1 flatrate)
150 150
bigger than 158cm (= 1 charge)
350 450
heavier than 23kg up to 32kg in
Y/CL and bigger than 158cm (= 1
Flatrate + 1 charge)
500 600 Weight Concept
heavier than 32kg (= 1 flatrate +
1 charge)
500 600
heavier than 32kg and bigger
than 158cm (= 1 flatrate and 2
charges)
850 1050
more than 2 pieces
extra piece ( = 1 charge)
350 450
extra piece bigger than 158cm (=
2 charges)
700 900
extra piece over 23kg up to 32kg
Y/CL (= 2 charges)
700 900 Weight Concept
extra piece over 32kg (= 1
flatrate + 2 charges)
850 1050
extra piece bigger than 158cm
and heavier than 32kg (= 1
flatrate + 3 charges)
1200 1500
Africa,
Middle East via US
Europe via US
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Just to let you know what happened on my recent trip to SA with golf clubs.
I was not charged LHR>VIE>FRA>CPT, the nice OS agent just tagged my bags and wished me a nice flight.
Returning CPT>FRA, I was charged by the LH agent, 70 Euros. I pointed out that I was under my 30Kg allowance, agent just shrugged shoulders.
I was not charged for the FRA>LCY segment.
I also took 3 internal flights in SA, with 3 different carriers, all discounted economy, golf clubs accepted without comment by all carriers and carried without charge.
It seems a cheap shot by LH which left a bad taste in the mouth, and as a consequence will think long and hard about using LH again.
I had no issues with any of the flights, on board service fine, all on time etc
Why? Baggage allowance is clearly specified in the PNR. If it is one ticket, it will always show that it is a piece concept itinerary.
