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Old Nov 21, 12, 3:39 am   #1
 
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BKK and fares in 2013?

I was looking for two tickets roundtrip to BKK ex-VCE for February and March 2013- the only fare class available in business class is C meaning a ticket if 4854 EUR vs. competitors at 1800-2200 EUR??

Is this a sign of revenue management changes in strategy (only opening C class for bookings 60 days and more out) or is this more a signal that BKK may have some cuts in service in early 2013?
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Old Nov 21, 12, 5:12 am   #2
 
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I was looking for two tickets roundtrip to BKK ex-VCE for February and March 2013- the only fare class available in business class is C meaning a ticket if 4854 EUR vs. competitors at 1800-2200 EUR??

Is this a sign of revenue management changes in strategy (only opening C class for bookings 60 days and more out) or is this more a signal that BKK may have some cuts in service in early 2013?
Hi TRAVELSIG,

I am also looking this itinerary for Jan/Feb 2013. LX had a fare, ex Bcn, of aprox 2000 euros. I did not buy it because the dates available at with this fare were not suitable. Now it has gone up to almost 2400 euros.

Also no availability for award tickets in C or F.

I may try with a ME carrier.
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Old Nov 21, 12, 5:53 am   #3
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Try OS?

Code:
>fqd vcebkk/alh,lx,os/d01mar/kc
FQD VCEBKK/ALH,LX,OS/D01MAR/KC                                                  
AA  AB  AF  AI  AR  AY  AZ  A7  BA     TAX MAY APPLY                            
BD  BR  CA  CI  CX  CZ  DE  DL  EK     SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE                 
ET  EY  GF  HU  HX  IT  JL  KE  KL                                              
KQ  KU  LA  LO  MH  MK  MP  MS  MU                                              
NH  NW  NZ  OK  OZ  PK  PR  QF  QR                                              
SK  SN  SQ  SR  SU  TG  TK  UA  UL                                              
VS  VV  V3  WY  9W  /YY*AA  AC  AF                                              
AK  A0  BG  CA  C6  DN  DY  D2  D7                                              
EK  E6  FD  FR  GI  GX  G5  HV  JD                                              
J2  KC  KE  LH  LL  LQ  O2  QH  QW                                              
QZ  RB  RY  R3  R8  SB  SK  SP  TB                                              
T4  UK  UN  UR  U2  VB  VK  VY  WW                                              
W7  XF  XY  X5  YC  ZJ  2L  4U  6Q                                              
7A  8I  9B  9G  9H  9Q  9X                                                      
ROE 0.790327 UP TO 1.00 EUR                                                     
01MAR13**01MAR13/VCEBKK/NSP;EH/TPM ...../MPM  6938                              
LN FARE BASIS    OW   EUR  RT   PEN  DATES  DAYS AP MIN MAX AL R                
01+PBUY39                  1445  +     -      - + -   +  3M OS R                
02+PICSWIIA                1548  +     -      -   - SU   3M LX R                
03+ZICSWIIA                1949  +     -      -   -   + 12M LX R                
04+ZFLY39                  2145  -     -      - + -  -  12M OS R                
05+PRCIA                   2299  +     -      - +  +  + 12M LH R                
06+DICSWIIA                2489  -     -      -   -  -  12M LX R                
07+ZFFIA                   2499  -     -      - +  + -  12M LH R                
08+CICSWIIA                2800  -     -      -   -  -  12M LX R                
09+DR2I39                  2876  -     -      - + -  -  12M OS R                
10+DFFIA                   3099  -     -      - + -  -  12M LH R                
11+DR3I39        1732            -     -      - + -  -   -  OS R                
12+CR2I39                  3876  -     -      - + -  -  12M OS R                
13+JSS0IA                  4284  +     -      -   - SU   3M LX R                
14+CFFIA                   4399  -     -      - + -  -  12M LH R                
15+CR3I39        2332            -     -      - + -  -   -  OS R                
16+JR2I39                  5623  -     -      - + -  -  12M OS R                
17+JICSWIIA                5623  -     -      -   -  -  12M LX R                
18+J77RT                   5899  -     -      -   -  -  12M LH M                
19+JR3I39        3380            -     -      - + -  -   -  OS R                
20+JICSWIOW      3894            -     -      - + -  -   -  LX R                
21+J77OW         4129            -     -      -   -  -   -  LH M                
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Old Nov 21, 12, 6:24 am   #4
 
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Thanks Oliver for the suggestion. One question- when you look at February/March availability are you also seeing all business class fare classes zeroed out except C and J? It makes me think of upcoming capacity cuts in this case.
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Old Nov 21, 12, 6:38 am   #5
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I'll gladly look it up if you give me specific dates... Amadeus command line doesn't display a calendar at a push of a button
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Old Nov 21, 12, 6:46 am   #6
 
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I'll gladly look it up if you give me specific dates... Amadeus command line doesn't display a calendar at a push of a button
The strange part is that the entire months of February and March are all like this (zeroed out except C/J). Anyway:
Dates were:

Departing 9 February returning 13

Departing 11 March returning 16 or 17 (prefer 16 however I thought a Saturday night stayover might make a difference- it didn't- only C and J)

Routing VCE/FRA/BKK/FRA/VCE all on LH metal (not the TG codeshare)
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Old Nov 21, 12, 6:57 am   #7
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Very weird, even TG has zeroed out their A380 C:

Code:
AN09FEBVCEBKK/A*A/XFRA/KC                                                       
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** BKK BANGKOK.TH                80 SA 09FEB 0000  
** LC SHERATON GRANDE SUKHUMVIT**SPECIAL OFFERS FR USD145                       
** FRI-SUN NTS FROM USD145 * WEEKDAYS FR USD165 >HALCBKK357                     
 1   LH 331  J9 C9 DL ZL          /VCE   FRA 1  1910    2040  E0/733            
  LH:TG7663  C0 D0 J0 Z0          /FRA 1 BKK    2205    1435+1E0/346      13:25 
 2   LH 331  J9 C9 DL ZL          /VCE   FRA 1  1910    2040  E0/733            
     LH 772  J9 C9 DL ZL          /FRA 1 BKK    2205    1435+1E0/346      13:25 
 3   LH 325  J9 C9 D9 Z9 P9       /VCE   FRA 1  1045    1220  E0/735            
  TG:LH9714  J4 C4 DL ZL PL       /FRA 1 BKK    1410    0620+1E0/380      13:35 
 4   LH 325  J9 C9 D9 Z9 P9       /VCE   FRA 1  1045    1220  E0/735            
     TG 921  C9 D9 J0 Z0          /FRA 1 BKK    1410    0620+1E0/380      13:35 
 5   LH1911  J9 C5 DL ZL          /VCE   MUC 2  1725    1830  E0/319            
     LH 123  J9 C5 DL ZL          /MUC 2 FRA 1  2000    2105  E0/321            
     LH 772  J9 C5 DL ZL          /FRA 1 BKK    2205    1435+1E0/346      15:10 
>an13febbkkvce/a*A/xfra/kc
AN13FEBBKKVCE/A*A/XFRA/KC                                                       
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** VCE VENICE.IT                 84 WE 13FEB 0000  
 1TG:LH9715  J4 C4 DL ZL PL       /BKK   FRA 1  2340    0530+1E0/380            
     LH1182  J9 C9 D9 Z9 P9       /FRA 1 ZRH    0640+1  0735+1E0/319            
  2L*LX1660  J9 C0 D0 Z0 P0       /ZRH   VCE    0825+1  0930+1E0/100      15:50 
 2   TG 920  C9 D9 J1 Z0          /BKK   FRA 1  2340    0530+1E0/380            
     LH1182  J9 C9 D9 Z9 P9       /FRA 1 ZRH    0640+1  0735+1E0/319            
  2L*LX1660  J9 C0 D0 Z0 P0       /ZRH   VCE    0825+1  0930+1E0/100      15:50 
 3   LH 783  J9 C9 DL ZL          /BKK   FRA 1  2350    0600+1E0/346            
     LH 324  J9 C9 DL ZL          /FRA 1 VCE    0820+1  0940+1E0/735      15:50 
 4LH:TG7662  C0 D0 J0 Z0          /BKK   FRA 1  2350    0600+1E0/346            
     LH 324  J9 C9 DL ZL          /FRA 1 VCE    0820+1  0940+1E0/735      15:50 
 5   TG 920  C9 D9 J1 Z0          /BKK   FRA 1  2340    0530+1E0/380            
     LH 324  J9 C9 D9 Z9 P9       /FRA 1 VCE    0820+1  0940+1E0/735      16:00 
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Only Bavaria have their winter (ski) vacations that week: http://www.schulferien.net/Uebersich...n-Termine-2013

The march trip:

Code:
>an11marvcebkk/a*A/xfra/kc
AN11MARVCEBKK/A*A/XFRA/KC                                                       
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** BKK BANGKOK.TH               110 MO 11MAR 0000  
** LC SHERATON GRANDE SUKHUMVIT**SPECIAL OFFERS FR USD145                       
** FRI-SUN NTS FROM USD145 * WEEKDAYS FR USD165 >HALCBKK357                     
 1   LH 325  J9 C9 D9 Z9 P9       /VCE   FRA 1  1045    1220  E0/735            
  TG:LH9714  J4 C4 D4 ZL PL       /FRA 1 BKK    1410    0620+1E0/380      13:35 
 2   LH 325  J9 C9 D9 Z9 P9       /VCE   FRA 1  1045    1220  E0/735            
     TG 921  C9 D9 J9 Z0          /FRA 1 BKK    1410    0620+1E0/380      13:35 
 3   LH 331  J9 C6 DL ZL          /VCE   FRA 1  1855    2025  E0/733            
     LH 772  J9 C6 DL ZL          /FRA 1 BKK    2205    1435+1E0/346      13:40 
 4   LH 331  J9 C6 DL ZL          /VCE   FRA 1  1855    2025  E0/733            
  LH:TG7663  C0 D0 J0 Z0          /FRA 1 BKK    2205    1435+1E0/346      13:40 
 5EN*LH1911  J9 C6 DL ZL          /VCE   MUC 2  1720    1825  E0/E95            
     LH 123  J9 C6 DL ZL          /MUC 2 FRA 1  2000    2105  E0/321            
     LH 772  J9 C6 DL ZL          /FRA 1 BKK    2205    1435+1E0/346      15:15
>an16marbkkvce/a*A/xfra/kc
AN16MARBKKVCE/A*A/XFRA/KC                                                       
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** VCE VENICE.IT                115 SA 16MAR 0000  
 1TG:LH9715  J4 C4 DL ZL PL       /BKK   FRA 1  2340    0530+1E0/380            
     LH1182  J9 C9 D9 Z9 P9       /FRA 1 ZRH    0640+1  0735+1E0/319            
  2L*LX1660  J9 C9 D9 Z9 P9       /ZRH   VCE    0825+1  0930+1E0/100      15:50 
 2   TG 920  C9 D9 J0 Z0          /BKK   FRA 1  2340    0530+1E0/380            
     LH1182  J9 C9 D9 Z9 P9       /FRA 1 ZRH    0640+1  0735+1E0/319            
  2L*LX1660  J9 C9 D9 Z9 P9       /ZRH   VCE    0825+1  0930+1E0/100      15:50 
 3   LH 783  J9 CL DL ZL          /BKK   FRA 1  2350    0600+1E0/346            
     LH 324  J9 CL DL ZL          /FRA 1 VCE    0820+1  0940+1E0/735      15:50 
 4LH:TG7662  C0 D0 J0 Z0          /BKK   FRA 1  2350    0600+1E0/346            
     LH 324  J9 CL DL ZL          /FRA 1 VCE    0820+1  0940+1E0/735      15:50 
 5   TG 922  C9 D9 J0 Z0          /BKK   FRA 1  1315    1905  E0/773            
     LH 332  J9 C9 D9 Z9 P8       /FRA 1 VCE    2155    2315  E0/320      16:00 
>an17marbkkvce/a*A/xfra/kc
AN17MARBKKVCE/A*A/XFRA/KC                                                       
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** VCE VENICE.IT                116 SU 17MAR 0000  
 1TG:LH9715  J4 C4 DL ZL PL       /BKK   FRA 1  2340    0530+1E0/380            
     LH1182  J9 C9 D3 Z5 P6       /FRA 1 ZRH    0640+1  0735+1E0/319            
  2L*LX1660  J9 C9 D9 Z9 P9       /ZRH   VCE    0825+1  0930+1E0/100      15:50 
 2   TG 920  C9 D9 J0 Z0          /BKK   FRA 1  2340    0530+1E0/380            
     LH1182  J9 C9 D3 Z5 P6       /FRA 1 ZRH    0640+1  0735+1E0/319            
  2L*LX1660  J9 C9 D9 Z9 P9       /ZRH   VCE    0825+1  0930+1E0/100      15:50 
 3LH:TG7662  C0 D0 J0 Z0          /BKK   FRA 1  2350    0600+1E0/346            
  LH:SK3385  C4 D4 J4 Z4          /FRA 1 VCE    0820+1  0940+1E0/735      15:50 
 4   LH 773  J9 C7 DL ZL          /BKK   FRA 1  2350    0600+1E0/346            
     LH 324  J9 C7 DL ZL          /FRA 1 VCE    0820+1  0940+1E0/735      15:50 
 5TG:LH9719  J4 C4 DL ZL PL       /BKK   FRA 1  1315    1905  E0/773            
     LH 332  J9 C9 D9 Z9 P8       /FRA 1 VCE    2155    2315  E0/320      16:00 
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Very weird indeed. TG and LH have no ATI agreement on that route, so no synch in place and TG is really desperate to fill the A380.
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Old Nov 21, 12, 7:03 am   #8
 
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I agree Oliver. I hope it doesn't mean cuts to the route.
When I look at fare quotes (all in-EURO) I get:
EK 2354
BA 2517
OS 2606
KL 2758
QR 2802
AF 3060 (booked as an AZ codeshare)
LX 3584
LH 4855

Super strange (unless they are cutting the route).
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Old Nov 21, 12, 8:14 am   #9
 
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Don't even try to understand how TG do inventory management, it will drive you utterly insane.

I think they only have one lever in the inventory management department at TG, which is marked "Calm" and "Panic". "Calm" sells everything at rock bottom prices, "Panic" zeroes out all inventory except D, Y, B and maybe H. Only two settings.
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Old Nov 21, 12, 8:28 am   #10
 
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I was searching same destination today.
Cheaper Y (S) ranges € 1.100/1300 including a saturday night.
EK saver € 800...go figure.
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Don't even try to understand how TG do inventory management, it will drive you utterly insane.

I think they only have one lever in the inventory management department at TG, which is marked "Calm" and "Panic". "Calm" sells everything at rock bottom prices, "Panic" zeroes out all inventory except D, Y, B and maybe H. Only two settings.
I have noticed this with TG. My real comments are regarding Lufthansa and the fares which are very very high.
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Old Nov 21, 12, 9:08 am   #12
 
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I have noticed this with TG. My real comments are regarding Lufthansa and the fares which are very very high.
Maybe they are taking preliminary steps to cancel the route in SS13. Higher fare classes and lower booking numbers will possibly make it easiers to rebook pax to other carriers.
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Maybe they are taking preliminary steps to cancel the route in SS13. Higher fare classes and lower booking numbers will possibly make it easiers to rebook pax to other carriers.
This was my initial question in post 1. I certainly hope not.
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Maybe they are taking preliminary steps to cancel the route in SS13. Higher fare classes and lower booking numbers will possibly make it easiers to rebook pax to other carriers.
It also makes sure that not a whole lot of people will book this and it's easier to justify a route cancellation if the booking situation is really bad
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I'll ask my TA to waitlist some D classes tomorrow ...
I ticketed two PNRs today. One on OS and one on LH, all in D class for Spring 2013.
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