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Old Oct 9, 2007, 6:01 am
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Originally Posted by KVS
The fare construction line should enable a competent TA to make a booking, using the exact fare(s) question (or give you an exact reason for being unable to do so) -- it's not an automated/copy-and-paste process.
Most certainly a "more" competent TA could do it...but most are afraid of the dreaded debit memo from the airline/s
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Old Oct 9, 2007, 9:49 am
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Originally Posted by wanaflyforless
...NUC 1216.72 = NUC is the basic fare unit. It is the abbreviation for Neutral Unit of Construction. It is a fictitious currency equivalent in value to the United States Dollar (USD). An industry-wide term that carriers and governments use for fare construction purposes and air fare calculations. $1216.72 is the round trip fare
ROE 0.518602 = Rate of currency exchange
FARE GBP 631.00 = GB pounds fare
EQU USD 1252.00 = Equivalent USD amount...
A little confusing here to me. If NUC is equivalent in value to USD, the how does a fare of NUC 1216 end up being equivalent to USD 1252?
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Old Oct 9, 2007, 10:46 am
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Originally Posted by aktchi
A little confusing here to me. If NUC is equivalent in value to USD, the how does a fare of NUC 1216 end up being equivalent to USD 1252?
Buying and selling currency gives different exchange values... I guess that's the problem here.
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Old Oct 9, 2007, 4:12 pm
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Originally Posted by aktchi
A little confusing here to me. If NUC is equivalent in value to USD, the how does a fare of NUC 1216 end up being equivalent to USD 1252?
NUC 1216.00 is converted using the IROE (IATA Rate Of Exchange) to GBP 631.00

Then GBP 631.00 is converted using BSR (Banker's Selling Rate) to USD 1252.00

The IROE are (generally) published quarterly, and the BSR are updated much more frequently (depends on the currencies, but generally at least weekly). So when the currencies drift apart, the exchange rates can get off by quite a bit.
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Old Oct 23, 2007, 7:45 pm
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Learning ITA - found flight, can't book!

I used ITA for the first time a couple of days ago and it is great! I found a fare with availability:

MIA-SCL-IPC with departure Jan. 17, 2008 and return from IPC on Jan. 28 - two flights each way with a 60hrs 25min layover in SCL.

MIA LA SCL S75.00 LA IPC Q105.00 M 629.50NLXSP494 LA X/SCL LA MIA
Q105.00 M 629.50NLXSP494 NUC 1544.00 END ROE 1.00 FARE USD 1544.00 XT 5.50YC 7.00XY 5.00XA 30.20US 2.50AY 21.20CL 30.00ZQ 4.50XF MIA4.50

for a total of $1649.90.

LAN won't refer me to their tariff desk, my local TA says no availability on the dates that ITA lists, and no similar fare appears on Expedia, etc., etc.

So, I'm anxious to use ITA - the search for low fares in a month period would be helpful. But if I can't book a fare I see, then ITA is less useful.

Anyone have additional hints on how to book fares that ITA shows or are ITA's results not always reliable?
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Old Oct 23, 2007, 8:49 pm
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Originally Posted by orbweaver
I used ITA for the first time a couple of days ago and it is great! I found a fare with availability: MIA-SCL-IPC with departure Jan. 17, 2008 and return from IPC on Jan. 28 - two flights each way with a 60hrs 25min layover in SCL...for a total of $1649.90.

LAN won't refer me to their tariff desk, my local TA says no availability on the dates that ITA lists, and no similar fare appears on Expedia, etc., etc.

So, I'm anxious to use ITA - the search for low fares in a month period would be helpful. But if I can't book a fare I see, then ITA is less useful.

Anyone have additional hints on how to book fares that ITA shows or are ITA's results not always reliable?
Yes we all who love ITA for getting ideas and testing possibilities face this frustration once in a while. If the problem is that ITA has unearthed an unusual fare or routing, we can work with TA's. However, if the seats might have become unavailable since you searched, nothing ITA or anybody can do about that. (For example, right now I see a minimum of $1509 for MIA-IPC on those dates if you don't check seat availability, but $1864 if you do.)

Keep trying Orbitz, Travelocity, Vayama, Farecompare etc. According to Farecompare, fare for this route drops to as low as $1250 but available seats are around $2100 for your dates. Good luck

Last edited by aktchi; Oct 23, 2007 at 9:24 pm
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Old Oct 24, 2007, 12:20 am
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Originally Posted by orbweaver
Anyone have additional hints on how to book fares that ITA shows or are ITA's results not always reliable?
I love ITA, but availability it shows is not always correct. In my case, they often show availability for certain classes on LX, and it is definitely not there.

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Old Oct 24, 2007, 1:48 am
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Try Orbitz. Several flight options are available.

Jan 17
LA507 MIA-SCL 19:05/05:04+1

Jan 20
LA833 SCL-IPC 18:05/21:25

Jan 28
LA834 IPC-SCL 11:45/18:25
LA5504 SCL-MIA 22:00/04:20+1

$1660.63 all-in (including service fee)
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Old Oct 24, 2007, 2:16 am
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Originally Posted by Tclin
Try Orbitz. Several flight options are available.

Jan 17
LA507 MIA-SCL 19:05/05:04+1

Jan 20
LA833 SCL-IPC 18:05/21:25

Jan 28
LA834 IPC-SCL 11:45/18:25
LA5504 SCL-MIA 22:00/04:20+1

$1660.63 all-in (including service fee)
Orbitz is based on ITA, so it will initially show the same availability. If you go one step further and select the flight, it often does not work. Again, my experience of this problem is mainly with LX.

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Old Oct 24, 2007, 2:19 am
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Originally Posted by SmilingBoy
If you go one step further and select the flight, it often does not work. Again, my experience of this problem is mainly with LX.
I did and got final purchase screen. Cannot confirm further since I am not going to buy it.

Edited: However, I agree with you. Sometimes ITA acts strange. Situation might have changed since the OP (orbweaver) posted.

Last edited by Tclin; Oct 24, 2007 at 2:31 am
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Old Oct 24, 2007, 4:55 am
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Great. I could get it to $1470-$1500 range on Orbitz (MIA-SCL 1/17; SCL-IPC 1/20; IPC-SCL 1/28; SCL-MIA 1/30 or 31).
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Old Oct 24, 2007, 8:27 am
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Thanks. The comments have been a lot of help. I'll try Orbitz. I'm learning and listening to the comments here about others' experiences speeds the learning curve.
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Old Oct 24, 2007, 11:23 am
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We are all discovering that there is no single source which is so good that we can disregard all others. I usually check with ITA, Farecompare, Kayak, Orbitz, Vayama, websites of major airlines for that route, as well as a few travel agents specializing in that market!

It is frustrating at times that ITA does not deal with selling tickets, but again this is what makes them unbiased. Orbitz or AA.com, etc., while they may well offer the best option now and then, also have specific flights to push and no incentive to show others. I find ITA best for experimenting with unusual ideas, including or excluding specific routes and airlines. Farecompare and Zuji (Singapore) are good if time of travel has flexibility. Good luck.
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Old Oct 24, 2007, 12:39 pm
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Originally Posted by Madhouse24
Most certainly a "more" competent TA could do it...but most are afraid of the dreaded debit memo from the airline/s
This is actually a good criterium to measure the qualifications of a travel agent. My top T/A always says: Bring 'em on. So far, he has yet to receive a debit memo.

On a couple of "too good to be true fares" a preemptive quick check with airline rate desk assured him that the fare was ok for ticketing.
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Old Oct 24, 2007, 1:21 pm
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Thanks everyone for suggestions. I checked Orbitz and AA's own site and found a suitable fare from MIA-IPC - just a tad more than the ITA fare from yesterday - and a lot better dates for me. Clearly I need to find a new TA who is the "bring 'em on" type, though. Thanks a lot for everything I read here - I'm still learning a lot.
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