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Old Dec 12, 16, 12:45 pm   #1
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[PREM FARE GONE] JL/AA: SEL-NYC r/t in F as low as $2,800

Price as shown on AA Korean website. I don't have any experience booking ex-ICN, but from what I've read you may be asked to pay using a Korean cc.

Available on JL metal on TPAC segment and books in full F/J, so it earns 3x EQM's. Routing via DFW earns more miles although it will be on AA metal.

American Airlines Inc. (AA) F2E0Q5R1
https://goo.gl/flights/Axqw
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Old Dec 12, 16, 1:00 pm   #2
  
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Price as shown on AA Korean website. I don't have any experience booking ex-ICN, but from what I've read you may be asked to pay using a Korean cc.

Available on JL metal on TPAC segment and books in full F/J, so it earns 3x EQM's. Routing via DFW earns more miles although it will be on AA metal.

American Airlines Inc. (AA) F2E0Q5R1
https://goo.gl/flights/Axqw
I went through the booking process and it seems you can use cc from any countries
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Old Dec 12, 16, 3:13 pm   #3
  
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Wow, just wow... crazy deal for JL F.
and it has a kids fare associated with it, I pulled up US$2100 for RT in F on JL for 2-11 yr old. no min stay and seemingly 1 year validity, so lots of ability to nest with some award tix. I cannot see beyond basic fare rules, such as whether stopovers are allowed. Also would be interesting to see if you can do OJ on the return (say to a destination in Japan instead of returning to ICN)...

ah, found the fare rules on EF. Wow, free changes once first segment flown. Also appears to allow ICN-LAX-JFK with JL metal across the pacific and AA 32T in F across the US.

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General notes

FIRST CLASS UNRESTRICTED FARES            F
 FOR ROUND TRIP FARES

Category 4: Flight restrictions

  THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON
      ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
        ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY WS.
  AND
  IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL FROM/TO/VIA HNL
      THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST NOT BE ON
      ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
        ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY JL.
  AND
  THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EACH
  TRANSPACIFIC SECTOR ON
      ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
        ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
        ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY JL.
  AND
  IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN AREA 1
      THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
      ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
        ANY AA FLIGHT
        ANY JL FLIGHT.

Category 5: Advanced reservation/ticketing restrictions

  STANDBY NOT PERMITTED.
  OPEN RETURNS PERMITTED.
         NOTE -
          ORIGINATING THE UNITED STATES
          -WHEN RESERVATIONS ARE MADE MORE THAN 3 DAYS
          BEFORE DEPARTURE-TICKETING IS REQUIRED 3 DAYS
          BEFORE DEPARTURE
          -WHEN RESERVATIONS ARE MADE 3 DAYS OR LESS BEFORE
          DEPARTURE-TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 1 DAY
          AFTER RESERVATIONS ARE MADE.
          -----
          DUE TO AUTOMATED TICKETING DEADLINE CONTROL
          DIFFERENCE COULD EXIST BETWEEN THE FARE RULE
          LAST TICKETING DATE AND THE SYSTEM GENERATED
          TICKETING DEADLINE MESSAGE.
          THE MORE RESTRICTIVE TICKETING DEADLINE APPLIES.
          -----
          TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
          RESERVATIONS BOOKED 3 DAYS OR LESS PRIOR TO
          DEPARTURE MUST BE TICKETED WITHIN 24 HOURS.
          RESERVATIONS BOOKED 24 HOURS OR LESS PRIOR TO
          DEPARTURE MUST BE TICKETED WITHIN 3 HOURS.

Category 7: Maximum stay requirements

  TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN
  MIDNIGHT 12 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.

Category 8: Stopover restrictions

  UNLIMITED FREE STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT.

Category 9: Transfer restrictions

  UNLIMITED FREE TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT
    FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND EMBEDDED
     SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.

Category 10: Combinability

   DOUBLE OPEN JAWS NOT PERMITTED.
   APPLICABLE ADD-ON CONSTRUCTION IS ADDRESSED IN
   MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS - CATEGORY 23.
  END-ON-END
    END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ADJACENT
    LINE OF FLIGHT FARE COMPONENTS ONLY. TRAVEL MUST BE VIA
    THE POINT OF COMBINATION. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED.
     END-ON-END NOTE -
       ADDONS PERMITTED
  OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS
    FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
    -TO FORM SINGLE OPEN JAWS
    -TO FORM. ROUND TRIPS.
   PROVIDED -
     COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR ANY CARRIER IN ANY
      RULE IN TARIFF
      IPRP    - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA PACIFIC
      IPRPC   - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 VIA PACIFIC
      IPRSAAS - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 VIA PACIFIC
      IPRSAPN - AREA 1-SOUTH WEST PACIFIC VIA PAC AND N.
                AMERICA.
  CIRCLE TRIPS
    FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS WITH
    ANY FARE FOR ANY CARRIER IN ANY RULE AND TARIFF
    -TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS.
   PROVIDED -
     COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR ANY CARRIER IN ANY
      RULE IN TARIFF
      IPRA    - USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2 VIA
                ATLANTIC
      IPRAI   - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATLANTIC
      IPRP    - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA PACIFIC
      IPRPC   - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 VIA PACIFIC
      IPRSAAS - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 VIA PACIFIC
      IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VIA
                ATLANTIC
      IPRSAA3 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 3 VIA
                ATLANTIC
      IPRSAPN - AREA 1-SOUTH WEST PACIFIC VIA PAC AND N.
                AMERICA.
 NOTE - THE CITY PAIRS BELOW ARE CONSIDERED THE SAME POINT-
        FLL-MIA  OAK-SFO  OAK-SJC  SFO-SJC  LAX-ONT  BUR-LAX
        LAX-LGB  LAX-SNA  BUR-ONT  LGB-ONT  ONT-SNA  BUR-LGB
        ORF-PHF  BUR-SNA  LGB-SNA  EWR-NYC  BWI-WAS

Category 12: Surcharges

  IF INFANT UNDER 02 WITHOUT A SEAT.
  OR - CONTRACT BULK INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT UNDER 02.
  OR - MILITARY INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT UNDER 02.
  OR - INCLUSIVE TOUR INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT UNDER 02.
    A SECURITY SURCHARGE OF HKD 45 PER COUPON WILL BE ADDED
    TO THE APPLICABLE FARE FOR DEPARTURE FROM HKG AIRPORT.
         NOTE -
          THIS SECURITY SURCHARGE APPLIES TO -
            1/ INFANTS.
            2/ PASSENGERS TRANSFERRING/TRANSITING HONG KONG.
            3/ PASSENGERS TRAVELLING ON INDUSTRY/AGENCY
               DISCOUNT /ID/AD/ TICKETS.
            4/ PASSENGERS HOLDING DIPLOMATIC PASSPORTS.
  THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS -
  TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON AA OR US.
  OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON AA OR AY.
  OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON AA OR BA.
  OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON AA OR IB.
  OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON AA OR JL.
  OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON AA OR QF.
    THERE IS NO CHARGE PER FARE COMPONENT FOR TRANSPACIFIC
    SECTORS.
         NOTE -
          YR FEE MAY APPLY
    AND - A SECURITY SURCHARGE OF HKD 45 PER COUPON WILL BE
          ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE FOR DEPARTURE FROM
          HKG AIRPORT.
         NOTE -
          THIS SECURITY SURCHARGE APPLIES TO -
            1/ PASSENGERS TRANSFERRING/TRANSITING HONG KONG.
            2/ PASSENGERS TRAVELLING ON INDUSTRY/AGENCY
               DISCOUNT /ID/AD/ TICKETS.
            3/ PASSENGERS HOLDING DIPLOMATIC PASSPORTS.
    AND - AN AIRPORT/TERMINAL SURCHARGE OF USD 1.75 PER
          COUPON WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE FOR
          DEPARTURE FROM MEXICO.
         NOTE -
          THIS IS A BAGGAGE INSPECTION SURCHARGE WHICH
          APPLIES TO ADT/CHD. IT IS NOT SUBJECT TO ANY
          DISCOUNT.
    AND - ORIGINATING KOREA, REPUBLIC OF -
      THERE IS NO CHARGE PER FARE COMPONENT FOR TRANSPACIFIC
      SECTORS.
    AND - A SECURITY SURCHARGE OF HKD 45 PER COUPON WILL BE
          ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE FOR DEPARTURE FROM
          HKG AIRPORT.
         NOTE -
          THIS SECURITY SURCHARGE APPLIES TO -
            1/ PASSENGERS TRANSFERRING/TRANSITING HONG KONG.
            2/ PASSENGERS TRAVELLING ON INDUSTRY/AGENCY
               DISCOUNT /ID/AD/ TICKETS.
            3/ PASSENGERS HOLDING DIPLOMATIC PASSPORTS.
    AND - AN AIRPORT/TERMINAL SURCHARGE OF USD 1.75 PER
          COUPON WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE FOR
          DEPARTURE FROM MEXICO.
         NOTE -
          THIS IS A BAGGAGE INSPECTION SURCHARGE WHICH
          APPLIES TO ADT/CHD. IT IS NOT SUBJECT TO ANY
          DISCOUNT.

Category 15: Sales restrictions

  TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED BY ELECTRONIC TICKETING. EXTENSION
  OF TICKET VALIDITY IS PERMITTED.
  TICKETS MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/EGYPT.
  TICKETS MAY ONLY BE SOLD IN AREA 1/AREA 2/AREA 3.
  OR - PAYMENT MAY NOT BE MADE BY CASH/CHECK/GTR.
       TICKETS MAY NOT BE ISSUED BY PTA/SELF TICKETS/WRITE-
       YOUR-OWN TICKETS. TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED BY
       ELECTRONIC TICKETING.
       TICKETS MAY ONLY BE SOLD IN EGYPT.

Category 16: Penalties

         NOTE -
          FOR TRAVEL AGENCY BOOKINGS MADE IN MEXICO / THE
          CARIBBEAN / CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA - AA WILL
          ASSESS A USD 25.00 FEE ON ANY UNTICKETED
          RESERVATION NOT CANCELED BEFORE DEPARTURE.

Category 19: Discounts

  ACCOMPANIED CHILD 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
        TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH.
    MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME COMPARTMENT
      BY ADULT 16 OR OLDER
  OR - INFANT UNDER 2 WITH A SEAT - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE
         FARE.
             TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH.
         MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME
           COMPARTMENT BY ADULT 16 OR OLDER
  OR - INFANT UNDER 2 WITHOUT A SEAT - CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF
         THE FARE.
             TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS IN.
         MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME
           COMPARTMENT BY ADULT 16 OR OLDER
  OR - UNACCOMPANIED CHILD 5-14 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE
         FARE.
         NOTE -
          UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN 5 6 AND 7 YEARS OF AGE WILL
          ONLY BE TRANSPORTED OVER THE LINES OF AA NON-STOP
          OR THROUGH PLANE SERVICE.

Category 20: Tour Discounts

         NOTE -
          DISCOUNTS APPLY. INFORMATION IS NOT AVAILABLE
          AT THIS TIME...CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS.
          THIS RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR TRAVEL ON OTHER
          AIRLINE OPERATED CODE SHARE FLIGHTS.

Category 21: Agent Discounts

         NOTE -
          DISCOUNTS APPLY. INFORMATION IS NOT AVAILABLE
          AT THIS TIME. CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS.
          THIS RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR TRAVEL ON OTHER
          AIRLINE OPERATED CODE SHARE FLIGHTS.

Category 22: Other Discounts

  THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS -
  TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON AA. SALE IS RESTRICTED TO
  SPECIFIC AGENTS.
  FARES MAY ONLY BE SOLD BY AA AND MAY NOT BE SOLD BY TRAVEL
  AGENTS.
  PASSENGER OCCUPYING TWO SEATS. ID REQUIRED - CHARGE 100
    PERCENT OF THE FARE.
        TICKET DESIGNATOR - SEAT.
         NOTE -
          APPLICATION---
          FARES APPLY TO A PASSENGER PERMITTED THE
          EXCLUSIVE USE OF TWO ADJACENT SEATS.
  SENIOR CITIZEN 65 OR OLDER. ID REQUIRED - NO DISCOUNT.
         NOTE -
          RULE 1810 - SENIOR CITIZEN DISCOUNT DOES NOT APPLY

Category 31: Voluntary changes

  IN THE EVENT OF CHANGES TO TICKETED FLIGHTS
   BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY - APPLIES WITHIN TKT VALIDITY
    CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY
    THOSE OF AA INTERNATIONAL FARES
     NO CHARGE OR HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE
     COMPONENTS- INFANT/CHILD DISCOUNTS APPLY AND
      REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
       PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
       1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FARE COMPONENT
       2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST
       BE DOMESTIC
       3. AA/JL/QF ANY FARE TYPE EXCEPT EOU/ERU ARE USED
       4. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
       5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
       DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
      OR -
      REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY
       PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
       1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST
       BE DOMESTIC
       2. AA/JL/QF ANY FARE TYPE EXCEPT EOU/ERU ARE USED
       3. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO DEPARTURE
       OF PRICING UNIT
   WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE SUBTRACT RESIDUAL FROM
   THE PENALTY THEN ADD-COLLECT/REFUND - REFUND VIA ORIGINAL
   FORM OF PAYMENT
   ENDORSEMENT BOX- HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW ENDORSEMENTS.
  OR -
   AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY - APPLIES WITHIN TKT VALIDITY
    CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY
    THOSE OF AA INTERNATIONAL FARES
     NO CHARGE OR HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE
     COMPONENTS- INFANT/CHILD DISCOUNTS APPLY AND
      REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
       PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
       1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST
       BE DOMESTIC
       2. AA/JL/QF ANY FARE TYPE EXCEPT EOU/ERU ARE USED
       3. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
       4. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
       DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
   WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE SUBTRACT RESIDUAL FROM
   THE PENALTY THEN ADD-COLLECT/REFUND - REFUND VIA ORIGINAL
   FORM OF PAYMENT
   ENDORSEMENT BOX- HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW ENDORSEMENTS.

Category 33: Voluntary cancellations

  REFER TO PENALTIES CATEGORY 16

Category 50: Application

NORTH AND CENTRAL PACIFIC FARES
 APPLICATION
   AREA
     THESE FARES APPLY
     BETWEEN AREA 3 AND AREA 1.
   CLASS OF SERVICE
     THESE FARES APPLY FOR FIRST/BUSINESS/ECONOMY CLASS
     SERVICE.
   TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION
     FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE
     ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS.
 CAPACITY LIMITATIONS
   THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS CARRIED
   ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE AND SUCH
   FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS.
   THE NUMBER OF SEATS WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE
   AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN FLIGHT WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE
   CARRIERS BEST JUDGMENT
 RULES NOT APPLICABLE
   35 - PASSENGER EXPENSES EN ROUTE

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Old Dec 12, 16, 3:56 pm   #4
  
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earns 3x eqm's or 1.5x eqm's?
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Old Dec 12, 16, 4:12 pm   #5
  
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earns 3x eqm's or 1.5x eqm's?
The fare rules require "ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY JL." So you will have AA flight numbers. And it's an F fare, booking into F (or J where no F cabin) so you will get 3x.

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Old Dec 12, 16, 4:42 pm   #6
  
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I don't see anything about a penalty for cancelling before departure, but it does state no changes to first fare component. Does that mean it's free to cancel?
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Old Dec 12, 16, 4:49 pm   #7
  
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I take it since it since it has an AA flight number than EQDs will be awarded based on cost of the ticket versus the miles flown x a percentage of the distance flown? Any workaround for that? The EQD is a challenge for me next year, not the EQM. Thanks for tips!
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Old Dec 12, 16, 4:53 pm   #8
  
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Says unlimited free stopovers so I tried to put
sel-tyo March xx
TYO-jfk March xx+16
JFK-sel August 8 but it's pricing at 6400?
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Old Dec 12, 16, 4:55 pm   #9
  
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It appears to be free to cancel and free changes to anything once first segment is flown. No exception to HIP check though, so no ability to do 24+ hour stopovers on this fare (it will climb to $10k). But you can totally shift the return around, even leave it open. It's been a while since I have had such an unrestricted fare, especially in the F bucket, you can pretty much pick up and use the return any day you want.

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I don't see anything about a penalty for cancelling before departure, but it does state no changes to first fare component. Does that mean it's free to cancel?
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Old Dec 12, 16, 5:07 pm   #10
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I take it since it since it has an AA flight number than EQDs will be awarded based on cost of the ticket versus the miles flown x a percentage of the distance flown? Any workaround for that? The EQD is a challenge for me next year, not the EQM. Thanks for tips!
You can fly in Premium Economy on either CX or JL to Asia. MQD earns <20% of distance flown. The 1.5 EQM's is an added bonus.
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Old Dec 12, 16, 5:33 pm   #11
  
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About $500 more for LAX...Less mileage but less of a repo for me (SEA). Interesting fare.
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You can stopover in the continental US, it prices correctly (Google flights won't price it correctly until you have selected all segments).

https://goo.gl/flights/Pt2q
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Old Dec 12, 16, 7:16 pm   #13
  
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I am only seeing $3200. Still a great price but $2800 would be better.
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Old Dec 12, 16, 7:18 pm   #14
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I am only seeing $3200. Still a great price but $2800 would be better.
Was able to get it ticketed on AA stock for $2,920 with 2x stopovers in the USA
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I'm not seeing the 2,800 but 3,274 with or without stopover. Still good.

I've seen some great F fares ex-CAN to Korea, but this blows them away. You have to be willing/need for 2 r/t but this makes a compelling argument
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