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Old Apr 1, 2016, 6:49 pm
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Once you fly the first segment, you MAY BE ABLE to change the flights, if you try to do so before you fly the first segment, this will reprice. Some people are not able to make any changes even after the first flight is taken without getting repriced at $2000-3000+

Please post dates traveling, itinerary, user ID, brief comments

XX-Apr-2016 -- XX-Apr-2016, TPE-KIX-LAX-SJC-LAX-KIX-TPE,
[insertusername]

(Please edit/add what you like)

17-Apr-2016 -- TPE-NRT-JFK-ORF [mster]
25-Apr-2016 -- TPE-NRT-JFK-DCA [lcpteck] - Longhaul in Premium Economy
06-May-2016 -- TPE-KIX-LAX-SJC [eunduklee]
22-MAY-2016 -- TPE-KIX-LAX-MIA-EYW-MIA-LAX-JFK-NRT-TPE [fbruno]
27-May-2016 -- TPE-NRT-LAX-SJC-LAX-KIX-TPE [yuchung5]
30-May-2016 -- TSA-HND-SFO-SLC//Jun 11 SLC-MIA-EYW//Jun 12 EYW-MIA-SLC//Jul 2 SLC-LAX-NRT//Jul 7 HND-TSA [mylifenomadic]
03-June-2016 -- TSA-HND-LAX-SJC-LAX-HND-TSA [tya] <- might cancel this one though
17-June-2016 -- TSA-HND-LAX-SJC-LAX-HND-TSA [tya]
21-June-2016 TSA-HND/NRT-DFW-PBI-DFW-NRT/HND-TSA [SGan317]
24-June-2016 -- DCA-BOS-NRT-TPE [lcpteck] - Longhaul in Premium Economy
30-June-2016 -- TPE-KIX
31-June-2016 -- NRT-JFK-MIA-ORD-FNT [bthumme]
25-Oct-2016 -- TSA-HND-SFO-JFK-CLT-PBI-CLT-SFO-HND-TSA [Pawel Siewko]
28-Oct-2016 -- TSA-HND-SFO-JFK-CLT-PBI-CLT-SFO-HND-TSA [Pawel Siewko]
22-Nov-2016 -- SAN-NRT-TPE [bthumme]
Nov-Dec-2016 -- TPE-NRT, [stopover] HND-HNL-[layover]-LAX-SJC-LAX-HNL-[stopover]-NRT-[stopover]-TPE [Matthew330ci]
31-Dec-2016 -- TPE-KIX-LAX-SJC [lcpteck]
02-Jan-2017 -- SJC-LAX-KIX-TPE [lcpteck]
27-Jan-2017 -- TPE-KIX-[stopover]-LAX-SJC [banffflyr]
27-Jan-2017 -- TPE-KIX-LAX-SJC [lcpteck]
30-Jan-2017 -- SJC-LAX-KIX-TPE [lcpteck]


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Fare rules (From post #185, thanks WorldTraveller13 !)
Results from ExpertFlyer.com
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Fare Routing Search:
Departing TPE on 01/04/16 for SJC
Fare basis code Y1ED5B
Flying JL
Routing via Pacific
Routing code 01
Rule Category Rule Text
RULE APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT
VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
JB JL PUBLISHED FARES FROM TW TO US.
APPLICATION
CLASS OF SERVICE
THESE FARES APPLY FOR ECONOMY CLASS SERVICE.
TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION
FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE
ONE-WAY/ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS.
CAPACITY LIMITATIONS
THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS
CARRIED ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY
THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE
AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS,
WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN
FLIGHT, WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CARRIERS BEST
JUDGEMENT.
OTHER CONDITIONS
1.ILLNESS
A.VALIDITY - REFER TO PSC 735A FOR DETAILS.
B.CHG/REFUND - WAIVER.
2.DEATH
A.VALIDITY - REFER TO PSC 735A FOR DETAILS.
B.CHG/REFUND - REFER TO PSC 735A FOR DETAILS.
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ELIGIBILITY NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.

DAY/TIME NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

SEASONALITY NO SEASONAL TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

FLIGHT APPLICATION IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN AREA 3
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST NOT BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY CI FLIGHT.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN AREA 3
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY JL FLIGHT OPERATED BY JL
ANY NU FLIGHT OPERATED BY NU
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EACH
TRANSPACIFIC SECTOR ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY JL FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
ANY JL FLIGHT OPERATED BY JL.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN AREA 1
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AS
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY WS
ANY AC FLIGHT OPERATED BY AC
ANY WS FLIGHT OPERATED BY WS
ANY B6 FLIGHT OPERATED BY B6
ANY JL FLIGHT.

ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
WAITLIST - PERMITTED.
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MINIMUM STAY NO MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.

MAXIMUM STAY TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN
MIDNIGHT 12 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.

STOPOVERS UNLIMITED FREE STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING
UNIT.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
CHD/INF DIS WILL APPLY

TRANSFERS 6 TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT - 3 IN EACH
DIRECTION
IN AREA 1 IN EACH DIRECTION.
AND - 4 TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT - 2 IN
EACH DIRECTION
IN JAPAN IN EACH DIRECTION.
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND
EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE
COMPONENT.

COMBINATIONS END-ON-END
END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ADJACENT
LINE OF FLIGHT FARE COMPONENTS ONLY. SIDE TRIPS
PERMITTED WITH NO RESTRICTIONS.
OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/
CIRCLE TRIPS.
OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS NOTE -
MOST RESTRICTIVE RULES APPLY EXEPT FOR TRANSFERS A
ND STOPOVER
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PROVIDED -
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER JL/AA
IN ANY RULE AND TARIFF.

BLACKOUT DATES NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY.

SURCHARGES SECURITY SURCHARGE OF HKD 45 PER COUPON WILL BE ADDED
TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER FOR DEPARTURE
FROM/TO/VIA HONG KONG SAR CHINA.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
A.A SECURITY SERVICE CHARGE OF HKD 45 WILL BE
COLLECTED FROM EACH PASSENGER OF ANY AGE GROUP
DURING TICKET ISSUANCE WORLDWIDE FOR EACH
DEPARTURE OUT OF HONG KONG.
B.THE AMOUNT TO BE CHARGED WILL BE INCOPORATED IN
THE FARE CALCULATION AS IN -Q- SURCHARGE BY
CONVERTING HKD 45 INTO NUCUSING THE APPLICABLE
IATA RATE OF EXCHANGE /IROE/.
C.THE SECURITY SERVICE CHARGE WILL APPLY TO
PASSENGERS DEPARTING HONG KONG INCLUDING THROUGH
PASSENGERS WITH STOPVER/S/ IN HONG KONG
D.THE SECURITY SERVICE CHARGE WILL NOT APPLY TO
PASSENGERS TRANSFERRING/TRANSITTING HONG KONG.
E.THE APPLICABLE SECURITY SERVICE CHARGE IS
SUBJECT TO REFUND WHEN HONG KONG IS NO LONGER A
DEPARTING AND/OR STOPOVER POINT AS A RESULT OF
CANCELLATION/REROUTING OF A TICKET.

ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED.

TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS VALID FOR TRAVEL COMMENCING ON/AFTER 14DEC15.

SALES RESTRICTIONS FOOTNOTE RULE
TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON/AFTER 14DEC15.

GENERAL RULE - APPLY UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY PERMITTED UNDER
GUIDELINES SET FORTH BY CARRIER. CONTACT
CARRIER FOR DETAILS.

PENALTIES CANCELLATIONS

ANY TIME
CANCELLATIONS PERMITTED FOR CANCEL/NO-SHOW/REFUND.
CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.

CHANGES

ANY TIME
CHANGES PERMITTED.
CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
CHANGES -
A.REROUTING PERMITTED.
B.FFPU UPGRADE PERMITTED.
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HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR
STOPOVERS.
NOTE -
NO HIP/CTM CHECK APPLY.MILEAGE CHECK WILL
APPLY.

TICKET ENDORSEMENTS TICKET ENDORSEMENT NOT REQUIRED.

CHILDREN DISCOUNTS CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF
THE FARE.
TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER.
OR - INS/INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 75
PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER.
OR - INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 10
PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS IN.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER.
OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11 - CHARGE 100
PERCENT OF THE FARE.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
UNACCOMPANIED INFANT NOT APPLICABLE.
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TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
DISCOUNTS APPLY. INFORMATION IS NOT AVAILABLE
AT THIS TIME...CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS.

AGENT DISCOUNTS NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
DISCOUNTS APPLY. INFORMATION IS NOT AVAILABLE
AT THIS TIME. CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS.

ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
DISCOUNTS APPLY. INFORMATION IS NOT AVAILABLE
AT THIS TIME. CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS.

MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS NO PROVISIONS APPLY.
FARE BY RULE NOT APPLICABLE.
GROUPS NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY.
TOURS NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY.
VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY.
DEPOSITS NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY.
VOLUNTARY CHANGES NO VOLUNTARY CHANGES DATA FOUND.
VOLUNTARY REFUNDS NO VOLUNTARY REFUNDS DATA FOUND.
NEGOTIATED FARES NOT APPLICABLE.
NOT APPLICABLE
INTERNATIONAL CONSTRUCTION NOT A CONSTRUCTED FARE.

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Old Feb 6, 2017, 7:01 pm
  #856  
 
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Originally Posted by pbd456
have anyone had a jl issued ticked denied with changes in usa sector after outbound is flown?
Changed a JL issued ticket after flying first leg last week. Managed to add in a HNL stopover (KIX-HNL-LAX-SJC), as well as change the return date.
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Old Feb 6, 2017, 9:03 pm
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So I called up AA gold line asking what are my options to move my return flights back a week (flown first half of the trip a couple weeks ago). She said she had to call her help desk to make sure fare is eligible for change and came back said it is. The only available option for the date I want goes through Tokyo instead of my original Osaka. She said she had to go get a quote from the help desk and I was like ...., here comes the fare difference repricing. She came back with $13.90. DONE!!!
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Old Feb 15, 2017, 5:38 am
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After flying the first segment I called in to try to change from the JAL operated to AA operated NRT-LAX flight and move my LAX-DEN flight one day earlier. The agent had to call the rate desk and it was $6K fare difference. I then inquired about just changing the LAX-DEN flight and then for some reason the rate desk couldn't see the fare rules and they put me through to web support. Web support ended getting back in touch with reservations and priced that change at $5K. No thanks. Will huca a few times but not holding my breath.
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Old Feb 15, 2017, 5:46 am
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DIFFERENT AGENT DIFFERENT RESULTS! Just got an even exchange to fly LAX-DEN one day earlier!

*****This agent said something slightly different that got me thinking. I think the key is for the agent to call the Help Desk instead of the Rate Desk. Rate desk will reprice, Help desk will see full fare Y and exchange.*****

Last edited by santina91; Feb 15, 2017 at 5:53 am
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Old Feb 16, 2017, 9:37 am
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the fare rule does not allow aa coded and operated transpacific segment.. is that what u ended up?
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Old Feb 16, 2017, 12:53 pm
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Weather is hitting LAX this weekend and I got the alert from AA to call and change. When I call to change was told that no changes are possible (after flying first leg too). I guess will have to wait until weather actually hits and AA starts cancelling things.
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Old Feb 17, 2017, 12:10 pm
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Originally Posted by banffflyr
Changed a JL issued ticket after flying first leg last week. Managed to add in a HNL stopover (KIX-HNL-LAX-SJC), as well as change the return date.
Could you elaborate how did you manage to do that? I can't even make them add a MIA-*NYC*-DFW leg into the route...
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Old Feb 18, 2017, 12:46 pm
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JL issued ticket is easy to.change
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Old Feb 18, 2017, 2:11 pm
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Originally Posted by maxweipo
Could you elaborate how did you manage to do that? I can't even make them add a MIA-*NYC*-DFW leg into the route...
JL ticket. I popped up to ticketing at KIX and provided them with a list of flights and they took about 1 hour to change it. Cost around 75USD for a ticket change fee.
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Old Feb 21, 2017, 4:39 pm
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Got an upgrade to J yesterday from KIX to LAX. Older seats but amazing service and free upgrade made this my best deal ever.
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Old Feb 21, 2017, 11:17 pm
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Also just canceled a partially flown ticket and AA has these marked as $0 value if you fly any part of it (in terms of refunds).
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Old Jan 26, 2018, 7:07 pm
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Just thought I would post a final data point. I had 4 tickets with departure from TPE in late January, 2017. On the outbound we flew TPE - KIX , then went to the ticket desk upon arrival at KIX and added in a 3 day stopover in HNL. Flew back to SJC then changed the return leg out to January of 2018 with a SFO-HND-TSA routing including 5 nights in Tokyo. We ended up cancelling the final segment upon arrival in Tokyo as we did an intra-Asia award flight instead.

All said, a great value and can’t believe we stretched the original ticket into so much more. Thanks to FlyerTalk for making this happen!
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