I'm planning a RTW trip on OneWorld carriers starting in March. As I was figuring it out, it occurred to me that it might qualify as a mileage run, given the numbers. I don't know what the FT rules are on RTWs as MRs, but here's the info.
The flight itinerary is JNB-LHR-MCT-LHR-SYD-HKG-NRT-HKG-JFK-DFW-BOS-DFW-SJU-JFK-LAX-LHR-NBO. 60,241 BIS miles.
Now for the numbers. I'm in AAdvantage, so the calculations are based on that program. Assuming that you are flying economy (which I still call coach) and have no status. Fare is $2,876 yielding 4.77 cpm. If you're GLD, though, your elite status bonus gets you down to 3.82 cpm. And at PLT or EXP, you're at 2.39 cpm.
Remember, there are all sorts of rules which apply to these fares, but if you have the time and can comply, it might be interesting.
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This is a valid itinerary for an xONEx fare, which allows things like backtracking within a continent. Here are the rules. No question, though, that this fare is governed by a complex set of rules with a number of hoops to be jumped through.
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Good LONE5 routing. Starting ex-CPT adds 400 miles at the beginning instead of JNB. Also, ending in CPT instead of NBO will add about 1700 miles. Note I'm not suggesting you do this, just trying to add a few extra miles . That said, it is a whole lot of Y flying to do in any sort of short order, and if you have to use miles to get "home" from stopover places, that cuts into it. And, as Lack notes, MR forum generally uses EQMs for judging the cpm, so the 4.77 cpm is the key here. That price does seem rather low though to me?
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Thanks, BOSMan. I will start from CPT because it doesn't change anything else and is just as easily accessible for a starting point. The rules prohibit ending in CPT due to the one pass-through of LHR restriction. NBO is on the exception list. See Rule 4(e)3. Price is from EF, reputed to be up-to-date. I'll be flying F (well, A, actually), though. The miles I earn will get me a free roundtrip in F (CX!!) between North America and SEAsia with 20K+ miles left over.
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Thanks, BOSMan. I will start from CPT because it doesn't change anything else and is just as easily accessible for a starting point. The rules prohibit ending in CPT due to the one pass-through of LHR restriction. NBO is on the exception list. See Rule 4(e)3. Price is from EF, reputed to be up-to-date. I'll be flying F (well, A, actually), though. The miles I earn will get me a free roundtrip in F (CX!!) between North America and SEAsia with 20K+ miles left over.
Yes of course on the LHR part, it has been a while since I looked at the RTW tool. How bad are the fuel surcharges with the BA flights? That was why I thought the $2876 was fairly low. Flying QF LHR-DXB-LHR once it starts might save some money at the cost of some miles, unless MCT is where you want to go (and I would want to go there myself).
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Yes of course on the LHR part, it has been a while since I looked at the RTW tool. How bad are the fuel surcharges with the BA flights? That was why I thought the $2876 was fairly low. Flying QF LHR-DXB-LHR once it starts might save some money at the cost of some miles, unless MCT is where you want to go (and I would want to go there myself).
The difference is about 400 miles roundtrip (shorter mileage for DXB, of course). The problem with the QF flights, though is scheduling. It's a turn for me. However, it's not a turn for the QF flights, which continue on to and return from SYD. (I'm taking it on the LHR-SYD flight.) The flight times don't really work for a turn. Arrive DXB around 8 a.m., depart for LHR on the return around 1 a.m. the next day. Way too long on the ground for what I'm trying to do.
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The difference is about 400 miles roundtrip (shorter mileage for DXB, of course). The problem with the QF flights, though is scheduling. It's a turn for me. However, it's not a turn for the QF flights, which continue on to and return from SYD. (I'm taking it on the LHR-SYD flight.) The flight times don't really work for a turn. Arrive DXB around 8 a.m., depart for LHR on the return around 1 a.m. the next day. Way too long on the ground for what I'm trying to do.
Good call. I just try to avoid those BA fuel surcharges whenever possible (I'm flying JNB-JFK via HKG on CX instead of via LHR on BA on my Explorer ticket to avoid the surcharges ).
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The flight itinerary is JNB-LHR-MCT-LHR-SYD-HKG-NRT-HKG-JFK-DFW-BOS-DFW-SJU-JFK-LAX-LHR-NBO. 60,241 BIS miles.
Now for the numbers. I'm in AAdvantage, so the calculations are based on that program. Assuming that you are flying economy (which I still call coach) and have no status. Fare is $2,876 yielding 4.77 cpm. If you're GLD, though, your elite status bonus gets you down to 3.82 cpm. And at PLT or EXP, you're at 2.39 cpm.
The itin looks like a LONE5. Bolded is the base fare. Did you know what the taxes and surcharges (YQ/YR etc...) are?
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The flight itinerary is JNB-LHR-MCT-LHR-SYD-HKG-NRT-HKG-JFK-DFW-BOS-DFW-SJU-JFK-LAX-LHR-NBO. 60,241 BIS miles.
CPM is based off of cents per EQM not RDM.
Further your RTW is backtracking (JFK-LAX-LHR, LHR-SYD-HKG, NRT-HKG-JFK)
SYD-HKG-NRT-HKG are likely to be on CX/JL/QF which won't earn 100% mileage.
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CPM is based off of cents per EQM not RDM..
As a general guideline for this forum yes.
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Further your RTW is backtracking (JFK-LAX-LHR, LHR-SYD-HKG, NRT-HKG-JFK).
Which is perfectly allowed under the Oneworld paid RTW ticket rules.
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SYD-HKG-NRT-HKG are likely to be on CX/JL/QF which won't earn 100% mileage.
This is an excellent point . Since economy xONEx fares book into L (for the most part), and most easily code into the operating carrier for that leg (AA codeshares not available on all flights), it may be hard to get 100% credit for all legs of an itinerary.
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Which is perfectly allowed under the Oneworld paid RTW ticket rules.
This is an excellent point . Since economy xONEx fares book into L (for the most part), and most easily code into the operating carrier for that leg (AA codeshares not available on all flights), it may be hard to get 100% credit for all legs of an itinerary.
If someone does this in Y over a loong weekend please post! I would like to send them a bottle of Krug
If someone does this in Y over a loong weekend please post! I would like to send them a bottle of Krug
This is much longer than a long weekend. At an average speed of 500 mph 60k miles would take 5 days (non stop)...factor in layovers and you're looking at a week....and more realistically a week and a half to make it work.
At that price it's still below the $.05/cpm threshold for a decent MR. An EXP could apply a few strategic EVIPs to a LONE5 and sit in Business on quite a few longhaul segments to mitigate the pain.
If you flew a DONE5 for 66,000 miles you would earn EXP based on EQP. I think there are still some DONE5 starting locations around $5K, correct? Pretty nice way to reach EXP while flying around the world in paid premium class presumably to destinations you would enjoy instead of a pure MR.
. That said, it is a whole lot of Y flying to do in any sort of short order, and if you have to use miles to get "home" from stopover places, that cuts into it. And, as Lack notes, MR forum generally uses EQMs for judging the cpm, so the 4.77 cpm is the key here. That price does seem rather low though to me?
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. Since economy xONEx fares book into L (for the most part), and most easily code into the operating carrier for that leg (AA codeshares not available on all flights), it may be hard to get 100% credit for all legs of an itinerary.
