(Gone) RGN - SFO in F $450 one way AI; other N. America cities included
#1771
Join Date: Oct 1999
Posts: 633
Here’s a brain dump from years of working at an airline. Thanks to the various FTers who provided additional insight too.
For those who would like to file a complaint with the DOT, here are some tips and a boilerplate message that you can start with. Remember, every complaint counts and is MUST be replied to within 30 days.
For reference, April 2012 the DOT recorded only 10 complaints specifically related to fares, and 5 related to advertising for international carriers & agencies.
In a nutshell, your complaint will be handled by a DOT analyst, who will forward your complaint to the agency/airline. The party will have 30 days to reply to you.
I would expect a heavy focus from the DOT on KE if enough of these start rolling in.
Filing A Complaint:
You can file your complaint online at http://airconsumer.dot.gov/escomplaint/ES.cfm
You can attach documents, and I would suggest including the following at the minimum:
1. DOC/PDF Copy of your receipt/email confirmation
2. DOC/PDF Copy of your credit card statement
Note: Most credit card statements will have the airline ticket number within the transaction if you’re unable to pull it up anymore.
Sample Note:
I purchased my ticket on <date> from <agency> and received an email confirmation from <agency> on <date>.
My confirmation email showed that my flights had been confirmed, my record locators had been created, and ticket number 180 XXX XXX XXXX had been issued.
In addition, my credit card was charged in full in the amount of $XXX.XX by <airline/agency> on <date>.
I was contacted by <agency/airline> via <method> on <date>, and informed that Korean Air would not honor this ticket at the quoted fare due to a pricing error on their part.
Per 14 CFR 399.84, I was not advised that my ticket price was subject to change, and I believe this action by Korean Air to cancel my ticket is an unfair and deceptive practice in violation of 49 U.S.C. § 41712.
Furthermore, guidance from the DOT provided #8 at (http://www.airconsumer.dot.gov/rules...-2012final.doc) appears to apply to this situation.
I’m asking the DOT to investigate this matter further with Korean Air <and agency> to determine why this happened, and for my ticket to be reinstated.
Hopefully it'll get KE going on compensation and/or reinstatement plans, or other recourse as the DOT begins to focus on this.
For those who would like to file a complaint with the DOT, here are some tips and a boilerplate message that you can start with. Remember, every complaint counts and is MUST be replied to within 30 days.
For reference, April 2012 the DOT recorded only 10 complaints specifically related to fares, and 5 related to advertising for international carriers & agencies.
In a nutshell, your complaint will be handled by a DOT analyst, who will forward your complaint to the agency/airline. The party will have 30 days to reply to you.
I would expect a heavy focus from the DOT on KE if enough of these start rolling in.
Filing A Complaint:
You can file your complaint online at http://airconsumer.dot.gov/escomplaint/ES.cfm
You can attach documents, and I would suggest including the following at the minimum:
1. DOC/PDF Copy of your receipt/email confirmation
2. DOC/PDF Copy of your credit card statement
Note: Most credit card statements will have the airline ticket number within the transaction if you’re unable to pull it up anymore.
Sample Note:
I purchased my ticket on <date> from <agency> and received an email confirmation from <agency> on <date>.
My confirmation email showed that my flights had been confirmed, my record locators had been created, and ticket number 180 XXX XXX XXXX had been issued.
In addition, my credit card was charged in full in the amount of $XXX.XX by <airline/agency> on <date>.
I was contacted by <agency/airline> via <method> on <date>, and informed that Korean Air would not honor this ticket at the quoted fare due to a pricing error on their part.
Per 14 CFR 399.84, I was not advised that my ticket price was subject to change, and I believe this action by Korean Air to cancel my ticket is an unfair and deceptive practice in violation of 49 U.S.C. § 41712.
Furthermore, guidance from the DOT provided #8 at (http://www.airconsumer.dot.gov/rules...-2012final.doc) appears to apply to this situation.
I’m asking the DOT to investigate this matter further with Korean Air <and agency> to determine why this happened, and for my ticket to be reinstated.
Hopefully it'll get KE going on compensation and/or reinstatement plans, or other recourse as the DOT begins to focus on this.
#1773
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: YYC
Programs: DL PM, UA *S, SPG/MR Gold, IHG Spire, Hertz PC, pleb in all the rest
Posts: 387
I'm not taking any sides here, but I really don't understand why people think its so difficult to get to RGN. It's 30k miles to fly to BKK/KUL on *A, and a $65 dollar Air Asia flight to RGN. Not really a break the bank investment at the rate most of us earn miles.
And, why wouldn't someone want to go to RGN? It's not that far out of the way to catch a flight home from SE Asia.
And, why wouldn't someone want to go to RGN? It's not that far out of the way to catch a flight home from SE Asia.
#1774
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: LAX
Programs: AA Gold (prev. Ex Plat for 10 years); DL Plat; UA Gold; Hilton Diamond
Posts: 2,338
There are multiple ways to do it on *A; Air China fly there from Beijing (1-stop via Kunming), as do TG from BKK. The SQ flight is operated by SilkAir and thus not eligible for *A redemptions.
#1777
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Location: DFW
Programs: UA Pleb, HH Gold, PWP General Secretary
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for those looking to mail legal corrispondence to Vayama and or Korean Air Lines here are their designated agents in california
Entity Name: KOREAN AIR LINES CO., LTD.
Entity Number: C2219811
Date Filed: 02/23/2000
Status: ACTIVE
Jurisdiction: KOREA
Entity Address: 6101 W IMPERIAL HWY
Entity City, State, Zip: LOS ANGELES CA 90045
Agent for Service of Process: C T CORPORATION SYSTEM
Agent Address: 818 W SEVENTH ST
Agent City, State, Zip: LOS ANGELES CA 90017
Entity Name: AIRTRADE INTERNATIONAL INC.
Entity Number: C2800054
Date Filed: 09/01/2005
Status: ACTIVE
Jurisdiction: GEORGIA
Entity Address: 1975 W EL CAMINO REAL, SUITE 204
Entity City, State, Zip: MOUNTAIN VIEW CA 94040
Agent for Service of Process: TANMAY KAR
Agent Address: 1975 W EL CAMINO REAL, SUITE 204
Agent City, State, Zip: MOUNTAIN VIEW CA 94040
Entity Name: KOREAN AIR LINES CO., LTD.
Entity Number: C2219811
Date Filed: 02/23/2000
Status: ACTIVE
Jurisdiction: KOREA
Entity Address: 6101 W IMPERIAL HWY
Entity City, State, Zip: LOS ANGELES CA 90045
Agent for Service of Process: C T CORPORATION SYSTEM
Agent Address: 818 W SEVENTH ST
Agent City, State, Zip: LOS ANGELES CA 90017
Entity Name: AIRTRADE INTERNATIONAL INC.
Entity Number: C2800054
Date Filed: 09/01/2005
Status: ACTIVE
Jurisdiction: GEORGIA
Entity Address: 1975 W EL CAMINO REAL, SUITE 204
Entity City, State, Zip: MOUNTAIN VIEW CA 94040
Agent for Service of Process: TANMAY KAR
Agent Address: 1975 W EL CAMINO REAL, SUITE 204
Agent City, State, Zip: MOUNTAIN VIEW CA 94040
#1779
Join Date: Aug 2010
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 76
Lufthansa only allows one-way redemptions on the Miles & More airlines (Lufthansa, Swiss, Austrian, etc.), so I am flying to Bangkok on an award and then flying to Rangoon on Myanmar Airways. 4500 Baht, about 145 USD. Not bad at all. Bangkok Airways wanted double that, Thai nearly triple.
AirAsia would have been cheaper, but I have had bad experiences with them in the past.
#1780
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 4,859
If being carefull with planning, I'm sure you'd be able to make out with a nice Y/F round trip for 500 USD or so given the number of miles you'd get.
#1781
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 4,859
On my positioning flight, yes.
Lufthansa only allows one-way redemptions on the Miles & More airlines (Lufthansa, Swiss, Austrian, etc.), so I am flying to Bangkok on an award and then flying to Rangoon on Myanmar Airways. 4500 Baht, about 145 USD. Not bad at all. Bangkok Airways wanted double that, Thai nearly triple.
AirAsia would have been cheaper, but I have had bad experiences with them in the past.
Lufthansa only allows one-way redemptions on the Miles & More airlines (Lufthansa, Swiss, Austrian, etc.), so I am flying to Bangkok on an award and then flying to Rangoon on Myanmar Airways. 4500 Baht, about 145 USD. Not bad at all. Bangkok Airways wanted double that, Thai nearly triple.
AirAsia would have been cheaper, but I have had bad experiences with them in the past.
#1782
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: YYC
Programs: DL PM, UA *S, SPG/MR Gold, IHG Spire, Hertz PC, pleb in all the rest
Posts: 387
OK good to know. Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't know that the SilkAir flights weren't eligible.
#1784
Join Date: Aug 2010
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 76
Yes, but my trip will be before that happens.
In October, but I have forgotten the exact date.
In October, but I have forgotten the exact date.