KE does indeed fly into YVR however if you care about the seat quality it is to be avoided. YVR and YYZ get the old seats, SEA/SFO/LAS/(most)LAX flights get the new seats.
I assume the new seats will be coming at some time?
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2008 UA 132,938 AC 128,230 AA 3,800 DL 10,200
2009 UA/AC 275,360 AA 16,200 Delta 9,320
I assume the new seats will be coming at some time?
One would assume, but KE has been going through the upgrade process REALLY slowly. Who knows how long it will be before the Canadian market gets the new seats. I think by the end of this summer all of the US market will have the new seats finally. (with the exception of flt. 1/2 to NRT)
China's Hainan Airlines Announces Introductory Business Class Fare for Nonstop Flights Between Seattle and Beijing
Thursday May 15, 8:30 pm ET
Reserve Seats by July 16 for Travel Beginning in June or July on the Only Nonstop Seattle-Beijing Service
SEATTLE--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Hainan Airlines, China’s largest non-government-owned carrier (airline code: HU), today announced an introductory business-class fare for travel on its new nonstop route from Seattle to Beijing. The non-refundable, non-transferable round-trip fare is US$2,260, including fuel and security surcharges but not including up to $250 for government taxes and fees and the September 11th security fee. Special fares for connecting flights from Portland, Boise, Las Vegas, Spokane, Austin, Dallas, San Diego, St. Louis and a number of other U.S. cities are also available. Seats are limited, and some restrictions apply.
Has anyone played around with this ex-KUL AI RTW fare at all? At first glance it looks like nothing of interest (because it's AI), but upon reviewing it I can see that it allows use of NZ in addition to AI. I am trying to figure out if you could use almost all NZ on this, to get an almost RTW on NZ at AI prices (a bargain at only about $3k). If you could get from KUL-HKG (not sure how to do this on AI, maybe some surface transit is required?) and then NZ on HKG-AKL, AKL-LAX, LAX-LHR you would have the makings of good value. From LHR maybe you would have to use AI (but at least you could take their 77W product LHR-DEL). I also wonder if you could use LHR-HKG on NZ as the fare rules exempt "TRAVEL WITHIN SOUTHEAST ASIA/JAPAN" from backtracking?
BUSINESS CLASS EXCURSION
[RULE APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS]
FIRST/CLUB/ECONOMY CLASS CIRCLE TRIP ROUND THE WORLD FARES ON THE SERVICES
OF AI/NZ VIA THE NORTH ATLANTIC AND SOUTH PACIFIC OR - /BILATERAL
APPLICATION CLASS OF SERVICE THESE FARES APPLY FOR FIRST/BUSINESS/ECONOMY
CLASS SERVICE. TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION FARES GOVERNED BY THIS
RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP JOURNEYS.
[ELIGIBILITY]
NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
[DAY/TIME]
NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
[SEASONALITY]
NO SEASONAL TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
[FLIGHT APPLICATION]
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AI FLIGHT
ANY NZ FLIGHT. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. NZ
IS PERMITTED BETWEEN AUCKLAND/WELLINGTON/ CHRISTCHURCH. TRAVEL MUST
BE IN A CONTINUOUS EASTBOUND OR WESTBOUND GLOBAL DIRECTION WITHOUT BACKTRACKING.
---- A CITY CANNOT BE TRANSITED MORE THAN ONCE. BACKTRACKING
RESTRICTIONS MAY BE WAIVED AS FOLLOWS A. TRAVEL BETWEEN LONDON AND
FRANKFURT/PARIS/ GENEVA/ROME. B. TRAVEL BETWEEN AUCKLAND/WELLINGTON/CHRIST-
CHURCH CAN BE CONSIDERED AS A STRAIGHT LINE. C. TRAVEL WITHIN
SOUTHEAST ASIA/JAPAN. D. TRAVEL BETWEEN VANCOUVER AND LOS ANGELES.
E. AN NZ FLIGHT BETWEEN LOS ANGELES AND SYDNEY MAY BE COMBINED WITH
AN NZ FLIGHT BETWEEN SYDNEY AND AUCKLAND. F. TRAVEL BETWEEN BOMBAY/CALCUTTA/DELHI/MADRAS.
---- INTERMEDIATE SURGACE SECTORS PERMITTED
AT PASSENGER OWN EXPENSE. --- FARES DO NOT APPLY ON AI FLIGHTS 60/61/1365/
AI1366/1541/1542/AI1967/1968/2220/AI2221/AI2744/ THROUGH 2759/3001/AI3002
AND NOT ON AI 7000 THROUGH 9999.
[ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING]
RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED AT LEAST 21 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE. OPEN RETURNS
PERMITTED, TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED AT LEAST 21 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. DEADLINE FOR
FIRST INTERNATIONAL SECTOR - 21 DAYS. SUBSEQUENT SECTORS MAY BE OPEN-DATED
BUT CLOSED TO NZ/AI CARRIAGE. BOOKING CLASSES NZ P/J/Y AI
F/C/Y NZ FLTS WITH NZ4000 SERIES ARE EXCLUDED. --- TICKET STOCK PERMITTED
ON NZ/AI ONLY.
[MINIMUM STAY]
NO MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
[MAXIMUM STAY]
NO MAXIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
[STOPOVERS]
STOPOVERS ARE NOT PERMITTED AT INTERMEDIATE POINTS.
[TRANSFERS]
UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED. - SURFACE AT FARE BREAK AND EMBEDDED SECTORS
PERMITTED EXCEPT FOR PRICING UNITS WITHIN/BETWEEN US AND CANADA
- INCLUDING PR/USV1 - SURFACE AT FARE BREAK IS NOT PERMITTED.
[COMBINATIONS]
SINGLE/DOUBLE OPEN JAWS NOT PERMITTED. ADD-ONS NOT PERMITTED. END-ON-END
END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. FARES
MUST BE SHOWN SEPARATELY ON THE TICKET. TRAVEL MUST BE VIA THE POINT
OF COMBINATION. ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON
A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM ROUND TRIPS -TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS
A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS PERMITTED. PROVIDED -
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE OF THE SAME FARE TYPE FOR ANY CARRIER
IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF RWR2 - ROUND THE WORLD FARES.
[BLACKOUT DATES]
NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY.
[SURCHARGES]
NO SURCHARGE REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
[ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL]
ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED.
[TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS]
NO TRAVEL DATE RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
[SALES RESTRICTIONS]
FARES MAY ONLY BE SOLD BY AI OR NZ. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR
AUTOPRICING. FOR SALES MADE OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN THE FARE
FROM THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN WILL BE CONVERTED INTO THE CURRENCY OF SALE
AT THE BANKERS RATE. THE RESULTANT AMOUNT PAID MUST NOT BE LOWER THAN
THE FARE FROM THE COUNTRY OF SALE. NOTE - DIRECTIONAL MINIMUM PROVISION
NOT APPLICABLE TO SALES MADE IN CANADA. -------------------- CONDITIONS
OF SALE STICKER IS REQUIRED EXCEPT INDIA OR EQUIVALENT ENDORSEMENT
SHOWING REFERENCE TO SPECIAL CONDITIONS/AVAILABILITY OF CANCELLATION
INSURANCE. ---------------------- EXTENSION OF VALIDITY NOT PERMITTED
FOR MEDICAL REASONS. --- POINT OF ORIGIN BOM/DEL/CCU/MAA/- INR
97955 AKL/WLG/CHC- NZD 7203 FIJI - FJD 6089 HONG KONG- HKD 27280 SINGAPORE
- SGD 7804 KUALA LUMPUR - MYR 9363 LONDON - GBP 3342 BANGKOK
- THB 127120 TORONTO - CAD 5916
[PENALTIES]
CANCELLATIONS BEFORE DEPARTURE CHARGE 25 PERCENT FOR CANCEL/NO-SHOW/REFUND.
CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY. WAIVED FOR ILLNESS OR DEATH OF PASSENGER
OR FAMILY MEMBER. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
BEFORE DEADLINE - FULL REFUND. AFTER DEADLINE - PENALTY APPLIES.
THE NONREFUNDABLE AMOUNT CANNOT BE USED AS A PURCHASE TOWARDS ANOTHER
FARE. ------- INFANT PAYING 10 PERCENT OF THE ADULT FARE - NO PENALTY
APPLIES. AFTER DEPARTURE CANCELLATIONS PERMITTED. NOTE - TEXT BELOW
NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. CANCELLATION - THE REFUND IF ANY
WILL BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FARE PAID AND THE FARE FOR THE JOURNEY
COMPLETED. -------------- CHANGES CHANGES PERMITTED. NOTE - TEXT
BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. -------------- REBOOKING AND
REROUTING AFTER DEADLINE- PERMITTED AT A CHARGE OF USD25.00 PER COUPON
IF TICKETS REQUIRE REISSUE. ONE TRANSACTION PERMITTED FREE IF TICKET
REISSUANCE IS NOT REQUIRED. FREE REROUTING IN THE CASE OF CERTIFIED
DEATH /ILLNESS OF PASSENGER / IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER AFTER DEPARTURE.
---- AT ANY TIME THIS FARE MAY BE UPGRADED TO A NORMAL FARE WITHOUT
FORFEIT. IF THE NORMAL FARE IS SUBSEQUENTLY CANCELLED THE ORIGINAL
FORFEIT APPLIES.
[HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS]
NOTE - JOURNEYS ORIGINATING INDIA - AN MPM OF 27800 APPLIES. ADDITIONAL
MILEAGE IS SUBJECT TO APPLICABLE MILEAGE SURCHARGE.
[TICKET ENDORSEMENTS]
THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED - NONREF/APEX -
IN THE FORM OF PAYMENT BOX. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
TICKETS MUST SHOW BY THE USE OF AN INSERT OR STICKER THAT TRAVEL
IS AT A SPECIAL FARE AND SUBJECT TO SPECIAL CONDITIONS. --- OR EQUIVALENT
ENDORSEMENT SHOWING REFERENCE TO SPECIAL CONDITIONS/AVAILABILITY
OF CANCELATION INSUREANCE.
[CHILDREN DISCOUNTS]
CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11 - CHARGE 67 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING
CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS
IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER. OR - 1ST INF/INFANT
WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF THE FARE. MUST
BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR
12 OR OLDER. OR - INS/INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 67 PERCENT
OF THE FARE. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT
BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER. OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR
5-11 - CHARGE 67 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
[TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR TOUR CONDUCTORS.
[AGENT DISCOUNTS]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR SALE AGENTS.
[ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR OTHERS.
[MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS]
NO PROVISIONS APPLY.
[FARE BY RULE]
NOT APPLICABLE.
[GROUPS]
NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY.
[TOURS]
NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY.
[VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY]
NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY.
[DEPOSITS]
NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY.
[NEGOTIATED FARES]
NOT APPLICABLE. IC.INTERNATIONAL CONSTRUCTION NOT A CONSTRUCTED FARE
China's Hainan Airlines Announces Introductory Business Class Fare for Nonstop Flights Between Seattle and Beijing
Thursday May 15, 8:30 pm ET
Reserve Seats by July 16 for Travel Beginning in June or July on the Only Nonstop Seattle-Beijing Service
SEATTLE--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Hainan Airlines, China’s largest non-government-owned carrier (airline code: HU), today announced an introductory business-class fare for travel on its new nonstop route from Seattle to Beijing. The non-refundable, non-transferable round-trip fare is US$2,260, including fuel and security surcharges but not including up to $250 for government taxes and fees and the September 11th security fee. Special fares for connecting flights from Portland, Boise, Las Vegas, Spokane, Austin, Dallas, San Diego, St. Louis and a number of other U.S. cities are also available. Seats are limited, and some restrictions apply.
For Your Information, tickets can only be purchased through their phone agents.
Has anyone played around with this ex-KUL AI RTW fare at all? At first glance it looks like nothing of interest (because it's AI), but upon reviewing it I can see that it allows use of NZ in addition to AI. I am trying to figure out if you could use almost all NZ on this, to get an almost RTW on NZ at AI prices (a bargain at only about $3k). If you could get from KUL-HKG (not sure how to do this on AI, maybe some surface transit is required?) and then NZ on HKG-AKL, AKL-LAX, LAX-LHR you would have the makings of good value. From LHR maybe you would have to use AI (but at least you could take their 77W product LHR-DEL). I also wonder if you could use LHR-HKG on NZ as the fare rules exempt "TRAVEL WITHIN SOUTHEAST ASIA/JAPAN" from backtracking?
Wow, it would be great if this fare actually worked!
I tried the following just now:
KUL-BOM (AI operated by MH) in Y (waitlisted for C)
BOM-HKG (AI) in C
HKG-AKL-LAX-LHR (NZ) in C
LHR-BOM (AI) in C
BOM-KUL (AI op. by MH) in Y (again waitlisted for C)
but the system wants to charge € 9.988 for this itinerary
Programs: AA Gold, BA Silver, *wood Gold, Marriott Silver, Hyatt Diamond
Posts: 393
[SALES RESTRICTIONS]
FARES MAY ONLY BE SOLD BY AI OR NZ.
Might be worth contacting NZ in KUL directly before speculating further
Worldwide Aviation Agencies Sdn Bhd
Letter Box CP12, Suite 1303, Central Plaza
34 Jalan Sultan Ismail
50250 Kuala Lumpur
Malaysia
Tel: +60-3-2142-1199
Fax: +60-3-2141-4433
Email: airnewzealand@avs-worldwide.com.my
btw, Issuance in India looks even better.....INR 97,955 = USD 2,304...
[SALES RESTRICTIONS]
FARES MAY ONLY BE SOLD BY AI OR NZ.
Might be worth contacting NZ in KUL directly before speculating further
Worldwide Aviation Agencies Sdn Bhd
Letter Box CP12, Suite 1303, Central Plaza
34 Jalan Sultan Ismail
50250 Kuala Lumpur
Malaysia
Tel: +60-3-2142-1199
Fax: +60-3-2141-4433
Email: airnewzealand@avs-worldwide.com.my
btw, Issuance in India looks even better.....INR 97,955 = USD 2,304...
If issued in India it would be subject to the high VAT rate on premium air fares.
Exactly. since i am the bozo who called the Virgin GSA in DAC to get assistance booking that and wound up getting the DAC-LAX fare pulled, I can say with a high degree of certainty that we should definitely not call the GSAs on this. Let's find a couple of TAs who will try to ticket these.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Axey
That's a genius idea. Not.
1) Fare filed by AI. NZ will have no idea about it.
2) The fare was filed a couple of years ago. Nuff said.
