Transpacific DL codeshares often don't distinguish between KE- and CI-operated flights, meaning you might pay the same fare for Business Class service on either KE or CI, even though they are very different products. So if the KUL-YVR comes up as a DL-codeshare operated by CI, have a sniff around and see if you can find it as a DL-codeshare operated by KE. (I'm not sure whether KE flies into YVR, though.)
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Transpacific DL codeshares often don't distinguish between KE- and CI-operated flights, meaning you might pay the same fare for Business Class service on either KE or CI, even though they are very different products. So if the KUL-YVR comes up as a DL-codeshare operated by CI, have a sniff around and see if you can find it as a DL-codeshare operated by KE. (I'm not sure whether KE flies into YVR, though.)
You can use this fare with KE to LAX and the DL via SLC to YVR.
Transpacific DL codeshares often don't distinguish between KE- and CI-operated flights, meaning you might pay the same fare for Business Class service on either KE or CI, even though they are very different products. So if the KUL-YVR comes up as a DL-codeshare operated by CI, have a sniff around and see if you can find it as a DL-codeshare operated by KE. (I'm not sure whether KE flies into YVR, though.)
I also found that this can be used via NRT on the NW PDX/SEA flights however C availability on the NW codeshares seems to be tight.
The WBC seats on the NW 330 are better than the seats KE flys to YVR. The KE SEA/SFO/(most) LAX flights have the new seats.
Are you suggesting, perhaps, that KE is a better product than CI in C-Class?
PS. I am just asking because I have not flown either airline in a very long time, not challenging your opinion.
Yes, KE's updated Business Class product currently flown on most routes and flights to North America is WORLDS better than CI's Dynasty Business Class, even the "improved" one on the "Boeing Signature Interior" planes. KE's is a lot like SQ SpaceBed, a genuine Business Class product. CI's is more like a premium economy product.
I found an interesting DL fare- would be curious if there were a way to do this on other than CI codeshares (which seem to come up on booking tools and which I'm not a big fan of...). It's $2300++
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I have a question about this fare. This fare ( or something similar ) has been around for a while now from SE Asia to YVR ( I believe it also works from BKK ).
Early on in the fare rules it states;
STOPOVERS - PERMITTED Unlimited
And then near the end of the fare rules it states;
ROUTING MPM MPM TRVL PERMITTED
So does this mean that you CAN do stopovers with this fare as long as they are in the routing; ie NRT or TPE or Seoul ? And is the MPM each way ?
I have a question about this fare. This fare ( or something similar ) has been around for a while now from SE Asia to YVR ( I believe it also works from BKK ).
Early on in the fare rules it states;
STOPOVERS - PERMITTED Unlimited
And then near the end of the fare rules it states;
ROUTING MPM MPM TRVL PERMITTED
So does this mean that you CAN do stopovers with this fare as long as they are in the routing; ie NRT or TPE or Seoul ? And is the MPM each way ?
Thanks very much.
Yes, MPM is per direction.
In theory this fare allows stopovers, however just trying it with some sample dates stopping over in ICN or TPE added an absurd amount to the fare. It changes the currency from MYR to NCU on the direction with the stopover. The NCU based fare is a lot more than the MYR fare.
I have a question about this fare. This fare ( or something similar ) has been around for a while now from SE Asia to YVR ( I believe it also works from BKK ).
Early on in the fare rules it states;
STOPOVERS - PERMITTED Unlimited
And then near the end of the fare rules it states;
ROUTING MPM MPM TRVL PERMITTED
So does this mean that you CAN do stopovers with this fare as long as they are in the routing; ie NRT or TPE or Seoul ? And is the MPM each way ?
Thanks very much.
you are also looking for rule 17 - HIP and hopefully you will find , Ignore HIP rule. But more likely not.
dvs7310- I wasnt aware that DL had flight numbers for those NW flights, are they indeed codeshared? Those would be a decent option. The CI and KE metal to SE asia is terrible (and CI across the pacific leaves a lot to be desired). All in all this could be a decent Skyteam fare if you could avoid those, I guess roughly a 2x markup for staying away from Sri Lanka! But still far cheaper than ex-SIN.
To any of the masters out there-- I know the NRT-BKK segments on NW are no longer code shared by DL (that would be the ideal way to fly this ticket, but not sure what you would fly KUL-BKK). There really isn't much guidance in the routing rules, wondering if anyone knows what this means in terms of routing options (is it only KE/CI codeshares out of KUL and then KE/CI/NW codeshares across the pacific?)....
thebobmc- The HIP language is "NO HIP OR MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS APPLY" so I think you are out of luck with stopovers, they will cause repricing.
MPM fare: you can route on any flight on any airline as long as the total distance flown is under 1.25 times the MPM indicated in the rules. Check the "flight restrictions" of the fare to know which flights are compulsory and which are not. For a DL fare, you usually need to have the transpacific flight with a DL code and the rest is up to you.
Stopovers: permitted but if you stop in NRT and the NRT YVR fare is higher, you will pay this fare whatsoever (plus some extras sometime, fare calculation is not simple)
DMC: if you buy the ticket one way and your route through Japan, you need to have it ticketed in USA or in Malaysia to avoid the DMC check.
The CI and KE metal to SE asia is terrible (and CI across the pacific leaves a lot to be desired). All in all this could be a decent Skyteam fare if you could avoid those...
I beg to differ. As a regional product, both CI and KE TPE-SEAsia and ICN-SEAsia are pretty okay, though I generally prefer KE's seats and service on the 777-300 a bit more. I took it within the last week and thought it was perfectly fine, though it's obviously not a long-haul product like NW's transpacific A330's. As I've posted above, CI transpacific does suck as compared to other Business Class products; KE is competitive with the industry standard.
Transpacific DL codeshares often don't distinguish between KE- and CI-operated flights, meaning you might pay the same fare for Business Class service on either KE or CI, even though they are very different products. So if the KUL-YVR comes up as a DL-codeshare operated by CI, have a sniff around and see if you can find it as a DL-codeshare operated by KE. (I'm not sure whether KE flies into YVR, though.)
Flying to the US is almost always where the deals are.
How does one find discounted business class tickets online? I fly CX often and has not been successful finding discounted biz class tickets on their website. I fly out of YYZ.
At about US$1300 this one is a very affordable way to get from SE Asia to Sydney in comfort. I've done this one twice this year, now status miles anywhere by MHs own plan...
BUSINESS CLASS EXCURSION
[RULE APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS]
FARES FROM VIETNAM TO AREA 03. APPLICATION AREA THESE FARES APPLY FROM
VIET NAM TO AREA 3. CLASS OF SERVICE THESE FARES APPLY FOR FIRST/BUSINESS
CLASS SERVICE. TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION THIS RULE GOVERNS ONE-WAY
AND ROUND-TRIP FARES. FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE
ONE-WAY/ROUND-TRIP/OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS. CAPACITY LIMITATIONS THE CARRIER
SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS CARRIED ON ANY ONE FLIGHT
AT FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE
AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS, WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL
MAKE AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN FLIGHT, WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CARRIER
S BEST JUDGEMENT. OTHER CONDITIONS TRAVEL ON DJ PERMITTED ON P CLASS.
[ELIGIBILITY]
NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
[DAY/TIME]
NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
[SEASONALITY]
NO SEASONAL TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
[FLIGHT APPLICATION]
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING MH FLIGHTS
0001 THROUGH 8999 ANY DJ FLIGHT. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR
AUTOPRICING. TRAVEL ON DJ PERMITTED ON P CLASS.
[ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING]
NO ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
[MINIMUM STAY]
NO MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
[MAXIMUM STAY]
TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER
DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
[STOPOVERS]
2 FREE STOPOVERS PERMITTED - 1 IN EACH DIRECTION IN KUL.
[TRANSFERS]
UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT. FARE BREAK AND EMBEDDED
SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.
[COMBINATIONS]
CIRCLE TRIPS NOT PERMITTED. END-ON-END NOT PERMITTED. ADD-ONS PERMITTED.
OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS
ARE WITH ANY FARE OF THE SAME FARE TYPE FOR CARRIER MH IN THIS
RULE AND TARIFF.
[BLACKOUT DATES]
NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY.
[SURCHARGES]
NO SURCHARGE REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
[ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL]
ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED.
[TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS]
VALID FOR TRAVEL COMMENCING ON/BEFORE 31DEC08.
[SALES RESTRICTIONS]
FOOTNOTE RULE TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON/BEFORE 31DEC08. FARE RULE TICKETS
MAY BE ISSUED BY PTA. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
SALEABLE WORLDWIDE.
[PENALTIES]
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. CANCELLATIONS ANY TIME
CHARGE USD 40.00 PER TICKET FOR NOSHOW/REFUND. CHARGE USD 45.00 FOR
LOST TICKET. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS DOES NOT APPLY. NOTE - LOST TKT
ADMIN FEE IS NON REFUNDABLE CHANGES ANY TIME CHARGE USD 40.00 FOR REISSUE.
CHARGE USD 40.00 FOR REVALIDATION.
[HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS]
THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR STOPOVERS.
[TICKET ENDORSEMENTS]
THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED - NON END/CHARGES
APPLY - IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX.
[CHILDREN DISCOUNTS]
CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING
CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH. OR - INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR
UNDER 2 - CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE
CODE PLUS IN. OR - INS/INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 75
PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH. OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED
CHILD PSGR 5-11 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING
CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH.
[TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR TOUR CONDUCTORS.
[AGENT DISCOUNTS]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR SALE AGENTS.
[ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR OTHERS.
[MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS]
NO PROVISIONS APPLY.
[FARE BY RULE]
NOT APPLICABLE.
[GROUPS]
NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY.
[TOURS]
NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY.
[VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY]
NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY.
[DEPOSITS]
NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY.
[NEGOTIATED FARES]
NOT APPLICABLE. IC.INTERNATIONAL CONSTRUCTION NOT A CONSTRUCTED FARE
KE does indeed fly into YVR however if you care about the seat quality it is to be avoided. YVR and YYZ get the old seats, SEA/SFO/LAS/(most)LAX flights get the new seats.
