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Old Oct 24, 2015, 5:28 am
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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

Trip Reports/Tips:

2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb

2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2

2013: Oct
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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Old Aug 17, 2016, 1:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Thanks for your information, when are you making your MR and how many MQM do you get that way?How many hours will you have in PVG and do they put your up at a hotel and all all your flights on DL? Thanks for your reply and information. Have a great trip! Blessings

Hi,

It's 25,600 MQM. I do have to overnight in Shanghai (or I could have gone China Eastern without an overnight) but I wanted to fly DL and apply my GUCs. It's about 16 hours in Shanghai so may check out the city for a few hours.

I am staying at the hotel in the airport -- was pretty inexpensive and breaks up the trip since I do a turn in SIN (about 6 hours).

Hey, at least it's an adventure!

I could have routed through ATL/DTW or WC cities but this sounded like more fun and the upgrade was available from DTW-PVG while all other routing would have been waitlisted.
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Old Aug 17, 2016, 2:36 pm
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Just booked my MR to SIN with one of my daughters who will requalify for Silver next year with the MQDs of the trip.

We're going over Oct 3rd, spending 3 days in country, giving us enough time to visit KUL, then returning the 9th - was $80 more than direct return. Using some expiring vouchers gets me going at 1.77cpm

Things learned from Delta.com...when linked from Kayak itinerary:
- trying to book the 25,124MQM run with bounce through MCO from ATL to DFW gets all the way to payment, then kicks back a fare increase of nearly $300.
- Sometimes, only sometimes, when previously logged in, some itineraries will show the PWM option. I can't find rhyme or reason for it being available on very few itineraries, but not at all for most?
- Apparently, booking LAX-ATL-NRT-SIN gets you 222 more miles (each way) than if you just try to book LAX-ATL-SIN - both taking you through MSP and NRT, exact same flight numbers and times and dates and equipment. The ticket price is about $8 more also. But for some reason, on the "mileage estimator" breakdown: MSP-SIN = 9056MQMs, whereas (MSP-NRT=5950) + (NRT-SIN=3328) = 9278MQMs.

Many thanks to Csfing1 for the continuous updates and generous knowledge!
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Old Aug 17, 2016, 5:59 pm
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
We will be there Sep 21-27. Dates for our trip Sep 19-28 with routing LAX ATL DTW NRT SIN SIN NRT JFK LAX. If anyone traveling those dates let us know. Have UG on all TP legs except DTW NRT but should make that as lots of seats avail in J.[/B]
I'll see you on the return back. 9/28 - SIN-NRT-JFK-LAX. Should be DL Gold by then, but probably in economy or C+.
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Old Aug 18, 2016, 8:28 am
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Originally Posted by BHammy
Things learned from Delta.com...when linked from Kayak itinerary:

- Sometimes, only sometimes, when previously logged in, some itineraries will show the PWM option. I can't find rhyme or reason for it being available on very few itineraries, but not at all for most?
DL definitely won't show you PWM unless you are logged in. I always log in first in a separate tab when clicking through from another site (Kayak, Google Flights, etc) if I'm considering using PWM.

Still, I've been seeing the same thing for a few months now - all but the simplest itineraries built on a referring website will land on the DL website with no PWM option. And, invariably, any itinerary that doesn't show PWM cannot be recreated using the DL multi-city search.

Sometimes changing up the cities called out on the multi-city search will affect the outcome - both in terms of MQMs earned (as you found) as well as whether it will even show the itinerary as possible.

If there are other tricks to getting a forced-routing itinerary to be bookable on DL using the PWM option, it would be helpful to many to share these.
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Old Aug 19, 2016, 5:05 pm
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Smile Thanks for your post!

Originally Posted by kxc262
I'll see you on the return back. 9/28 - SIN-NRT-JFK-LAX. Should be DL Gold by then, but probably in economy or C+.
Thanks for your post we will look for you on SIN NRT leg, let us know where you are seated. If anyone else will be on those flights, let us know SIN NRT JFK LAX. Will you be spending any time in SIN other than the few hours for a turn around? Have priced another itin Oct 5-11 LAX ATL NRT SIN NRT DTW JFK LAX for $662 which gives a few days to visit.

Happy Travels! Looking forward to meeting you! Blessings!
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Old Aug 19, 2016, 7:03 pm
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Has anyone been able to find any upcoming ones going over a weekend? Trying to squeeze a couple in before the end of the year but cant really do mid week trips anymore =/ maybe a thurs evening departure till sunday?
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Old Aug 19, 2016, 9:03 pm
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Has anyone been able to find any upcoming ones going over a weekend? Trying to squeeze a couple in before the end of the year but cant really do mid week trips anymore =/ maybe a thurs evening departure till sunday?
9/30-10/2 - LAX to SIN for $682
10/7-10/9 - LAX to SIN for $667
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Old Aug 20, 2016, 1:07 pm
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Hopefully no one has a mileage run to SIN in the next few days

https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...-mindulle.html
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Old Aug 20, 2016, 1:16 pm
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Old Aug 21, 2016, 12:23 am
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Smile Have a good MR!

[QUOTE=xolinlevh;27091017]Has anyone been able to find any upcoming ones going over a weekend? Trying to squeeze a couple in before the end of the year but cant really do mid week trips anymore =/ maybe a thurs evening departure till sunday?[/QUOTE]

For a Thr evening dep the price is around $800 ai 3.30 cpm Oct 6-9, 13-16, Nov 10-13 LAX ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL LAX 24,248 MQM, if you can go Fri-Mon the price is $75-90 less.

Happy Travels! Have a good MR. ^ Blessings!
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Old Aug 21, 2016, 9:45 am
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Thanks for your post we will look for you on SIN NRT leg, let us know where you are seated. If anyone else will be on those flights, let us know SIN NRT JFK LAX. Will you be spending any time in SIN other than the few hours for a turn around? Have priced another itin Oct 5-11 LAX ATL NRT SIN NRT DTW JFK LAX for $662 which gives a few days to visit.

Happy Travels! Looking forward to meeting you! Blessings!
I'll PM more details about my seats when the dates get closer. Hoping for a C+ upgrade . Will only be in SIN for 6 hours overnight. I might do another one in October to really visit SIN.
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Old Aug 23, 2016, 10:40 am
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Question Prices Aug 23 LAX Dep

Originally Posted by kxc262
I'll PM more details about my seats when the dates get closer. Hoping for a C+ upgrade . Will only be in SIN for 6 hours overnight. I might do another one in October to really visit SIN.
See you on Sep 28!

LAX ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL LAX and also SIN NRT JFK LAX
Multiple Mon-Thr dates in Sep and Oct for~$800 3.3 cpm 24,248+MQM
Prices going up if you need a MR this year better do it before prices go higher!
Happy Travels! Please post lower prices. Prices from Kayak. Blessings!
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Old Aug 24, 2016, 9:25 pm
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Booked 765.00 for Sept 27.. 830 pm LAX-SFO-ATL-DTW-NRT-SIN 6 hours SIN-NRT-JFK-LAX @1139 pm Sept 30 25,507... I have not MR in a long time.. I hope I got this right... Mike.
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Old Aug 24, 2016, 11:10 pm
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Have a Great MR!

Mike, you did very well. Your cost is 3.0 cpm which is very good. How did you book your ticket and find your fare? Did you start with Kayak or did you go straight to DL? Did you get a reasonable fare for your positioning flights, ATL LAX ATL? Be sure to read the wiki about what to do in SIN at the airport. If you have any questions let me know.
Happy Travels! Blessings!
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Old Aug 25, 2016, 8:12 am
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Thank you Csfing1 for all the hard work you put into this...it inspired me to try for Diamond this year... I priced it out on google flight while trying to duplicate some of your old fares... then got it on ITA.. then fed it to book with matrix.. then delta.

my positioning flight are 2 one ways award tickets 12500 each.. because I may be out there for work anyway... so I would redeposit the ATL-LAX...Maybe. C+ cleared as soon as I booked it...
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