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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

Old Oct 24, 2015, 5:28 am
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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

Old Nov 29, 2015, 1:46 pm
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Hello from SIN folks. I'm in the (new?) Dnata T1 lounge--Delta no longer uses SkyView. Had to "self-clear" my upgrade for SIN-NRT at check-in just like I did in September. I don't know why they can't clear the 3 of us who were on the list when they have 11 unsold seats. At least I was first to ask and got the only remaining window seat. Mind you, it's an even A, but I don't want to be in the middle (I prefer odd #).

I took a ton of pictures of the new lounge so now I just have to find a place to post them so I can share them publicly. FYI the new lounge is upstairs across from Texas Chicken. It's just down from the shops immediately after immigration. Equally as convenient as SkyView but a bit further from the gates.

Flying SIN-NRT-DTW-MSP-DCA today. We'll have to see how the weather in MSP goes, might have to forgo that segment (and hope they will give me original routing credit). Supposed to snow 3-7" and I have a 34-minute connection. Upgraded all the way, and 77K NRT-DTW. I'm ready to get back home.
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Old Nov 29, 2015, 1:50 pm
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Oh hey so since my absence (reading this thread) I see the wiki. The new lounge is a new thing, very new? I will try to take a couple more pics to show the sign directing you to the lounge location. The invite card is different but I don't have that anymore (it's just smaller and says Dnata instead of SkyView, there are directions on the back of the invite). I am in J so no issues getting in (and I have PP Select so I'm covered regardless).

PS: Let me play internet lazy, does someone have a suggestion of where I should post pics? Aside from Facebook which where most of my social stuff goes, something that will play well with FlyerTalk and the wiki? Thanks!
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Old Nov 29, 2015, 3:33 pm
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connect time at JFK?

Is 1 hour 25 minutes enough time to make the connection after arriving from NRT, through immigration and onto the flight to LAX?

Thanks.
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Old Nov 29, 2015, 9:19 pm
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Originally Posted by canuck_traveler
Is 1 hour 25 minutes enough time to make the connection after arriving from NRT, through immigration and onto the flight to LAX?

Thanks.
I had a 1h15m connection at JFK doing this run a few days ago and was back at the connecting gate with 30+ minutes before boarding began. I walk pretty quickly and I have Global Entry/Precheck, so YMMV, but I would guess 1h25m should be fine (just don't dawdle )
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Old Nov 29, 2015, 11:30 pm
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Update on the new lounge in SIN -- spoke with the woman at the desk. They made the change last week and the old SkyView lounge is CLOSED. Just FYI. I checked and Priority Pass has not updated their website or app. Still lists the SkyView lounge and doesn't list the new Dnata Terminal 1 lounge.
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Old Nov 30, 2015, 12:00 am
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Originally Posted by Zorak
I had a 1h15m connection at JFK doing this run a few days ago and was back at the connecting gate with 30+ minutes before boarding began. I walk pretty quickly and I have Global Entry/Precheck, so YMMV, but I would guess 1h25m should be fine (just don't dawdle )
Originally Posted by canuck_traveler
Is 1 hour 25 minutes enough time to make the connection after arriving from NRT, through immigration and onto the flight to LAX?

Thanks.
I have the same short connection on my flight this coming weekend. Fingers crossed it goes smoothly.
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Old Nov 30, 2015, 2:14 am
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Smile Transit at JFK

Originally Posted by canuck_traveler
Is 1 hour 25 minutes enough time to make the connection after arriving from NRT, through immigration and onto the flight to LAX?

Thanks.
If you have global entry it should be easy as you will also have prechek, if you don't have GE, don't waste time and get thru immigration and customs as fast as you can, make sure you don't have any food in your luggage and don't pick some up on the plane as that could delay your passage thru customs but if you do have some be sure to declare it. No fresh fruit or meat products allowed, safest way is without anything even the food they give you on the plane. NONE is best and fastest. I have always been able to make the connection but is definitely easier with GE and PreChek. Enjoy your trip and let us know how things go.

Happy Travels! Cheers!
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Old Nov 30, 2015, 7:12 am
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Thanks.

Originally Posted by Zorak
I had a 1h15m connection at JFK doing this run a few days ago and was back at the connecting gate with 30+ minutes before boarding began. I walk pretty quickly and I have Global Entry/Precheck, so YMMV, but I would guess 1h25m should be fine (just don't dawdle )
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Old Nov 30, 2015, 7:13 am
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Thanks for the info. My flight is not until the New Year but I will let you know how it goes.

Originally Posted by Csfing1
If you have global entry it should be easy as you will also have prechek, if you don't have GE, don't waste time and get thru immigration and customs as fast as you can, make sure you don't have any food in your luggage and don't pick some up on the plane as that could delay your passage thru customs but if you do have some be sure to declare it. No fresh fruit or meat products allowed, safest way is without anything even the food they give you on the plane. NONE is best and fastest. I have always been able to make the connection but is definitely easier with GE and PreChek. Enjoy your trip and let us know how things go.

Happy Travels! Cheers!
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Old Dec 1, 2015, 8:31 pm
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Any MR out tonight and tomorrow?

My itin SMF LAX IND DTE NRT SIN, am at LAX SC, tonight LAX IND DTW, tomorrow DTW NRT SIN, if anyone is traveling let us know would be happy to meet you anywhere along the line.

Happy Travels! Cheers! Get your Flu shot! Cheers!
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Old Dec 2, 2015, 7:13 am
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Smile In DTW SC

Waiting for flight to NRT SIN leaves at 12:10 pm, in 11 CD DTW NRT and 19 AB NRT SIN, if any MRers or FT readers on flights please come by and say hi!

Happy Travels! Did you get you quadrivalent Flu shot? Costco has best price, $14.99 for trivalent and $35 more or less if they have quadrivalent. Don't have to be member to go to pharmacy, just tell people at entrance you are going to pharmacy. Blessings!
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Waiting for flight to NRT SIN leaves at 12:10 pm, in 11 CD DTW NRT and 19 AB NRT SIN, if any MRers or FT readers on flights please come by and say hi!

Happy Travels! Did you get you quadrivalent Flu shot? Costco has best price, $14.99 for trivalent and $35 more or less if they have quadrivalent. Don't have to be member to go to pharmacy, just tell people at entrance you are going to pharmacy. Blessings!
Holy crud, how often do you take this flight?
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Old Dec 2, 2015, 9:08 pm
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Does anyone here have a GoGo subscription they use on these runs? I used to have the monthly one but I've canceled it a while ago. Need to pick one up again for this run, which ones the one to get? All the ones listed say they work on all *domestic* flights, none of the plans mention intl?
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Old Dec 2, 2015, 9:27 pm
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Originally Posted by xolinlevh
Does anyone here have a GoGo subscription they use on these runs? I used to have the monthly one but I've canceled it a while ago. Need to pick one up again for this run, which ones the one to get? All the ones listed say they work on all *domestic* flights, none of the plans mention intl?
I don't think Delta shows the international day pass on their web site. When I did the run I bought the one-day global for $28 here:

http://gogoair.com/list-all-products

The international pass does work on the domestic segments as well.
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Originally Posted by xolinlevh
Does anyone here have a GoGo subscription they use on these runs? I used to have the monthly one but I've canceled it a while ago. Need to pick one up again for this run, which ones the one to get? All the ones listed say they work on all *domestic* flights, none of the plans mention intl?
When I flew ATL-NRT and NRT-JFK last week, it was like $39 each way for wireless internet. So I just signed up for a monthly pass, which was cheaper.
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