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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

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2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb

2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2

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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Old May 19, 2013, 10:46 am
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Fares on May 19

Originally Posted by Csfing1
$1315.30 ai SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
Nov 4-7, 11-14, 18-21, 25-28
5.2 cpm 25,318 MQM IN 72 hrs

Didn't check for Sep and Oct, too busy, which will probably be ret thru ATL and a few less MQM and probably be the same fare,
$1314.40 ai SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
Nov 4-7, 11-14, 18-21, 25-28
5.2 cpm 25,318 MQM IN 72 hrs

$1314.40 ai SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT ATL SFO
Sep 2-5, 9-12, 16-19, 23-26, Sep 30-Oct 3, 7-10, 21-24, 28-31
24,976 MQM at 5.23 cpm in 72 hrs
Couldn't get return thru JFK on those dates

Fares before Sep and after Nov are much higher, haven't tried calling DL to see if they could give me the return JFK routing in Sep and Oct. Planning a run in Nov. Cheers!
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Old May 26, 2013, 2:01 am
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Fares on May 26

Tried Tue out ret Fri, prices higher, also thru summer and prices in Dec are much higher. Hoping prices will decrease after Labor Day which is usually the case.
Still looking for a good MR from SMF leaving on Mon with Tue ret, if anyone sees one let me know. Cheers!

$1314.30 ai SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
Nov 4-7, 11-14, 18-21, 25-28
5.2 cpm 25,318 MQM IN 72 hrs

$1314.30 ai SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT ATL SFO
Sep 2-5, 9-12, 16-19, 23-26, Sep 30-Oct 3, 7-10, 21-24, 28-31
24,976 MQM at 5.23 cpm in 72 hrs
Couldn't get return thru JFK on those dates
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Old Jun 2, 2013, 11:27 pm
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Prices $66 higher this week as of Jun 2

Prices $66 higher this week and cpm up as well, hope they come down after Labor Day, still looking for good MR from SMF or SFO. Prices on other dates are even higher. Will be conducting 4 day NEWSTART seminar in SIN from Dec 8-11.

$1381.90 ai SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
Nov 4-7, 11-14, 18-21, 25-28
5.46 cpm 25,318 MQM IN 72 hrs

$1381.90 ai SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT ATL SFO
Sep 2-5, 9-12, 16-19, 23-26, Sep 30-Oct 3, 7-10, 21-24
24,976 MQM at 5.53 cpm in 72 hrs
Couldn't get return thru JFK on those dates
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Old Jun 7, 2013, 1:26 pm
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Do these rate include Medallin bonus? IF these are partner/codeshare, is bonus offered?

I need something sooner than later... like complete by end of June...
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Old Jun 7, 2013, 9:08 pm
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The miles listed are the MQM or actual miles flown and not the bonus, unfortunately prices are going to be much higher during June. You multiply your MQM x your bonus to give you the total miles as you already know, if gold or platinum you get 100% bonus. To get the max miles you have to pick yor flights by schedule and not price. Going thru JFK and or ATL gives you about 50% more MQM miles. If you have more questions let me know. For a MR best fare have usually been out Mon and ret on Thr. Timing makes a big difference and some weeks were left out as fares too high to consider for MR. Cheers, have a good weekend!
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Old Jun 8, 2013, 4:38 pm
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Thanks...I happened to be on the phone with AmEx and mentioned using all my MR points and converting them to miles (by far, the best use of them on a $/point basis)., Rep offered me a program that if I add the ability to carry a balance on my charge card, I would get 10,000 bonus points. Totally what I needed, and I never carry a balance so there is no cost for that. Plus, they also have a program where they can front me up to 15,000 points. So,AmEx saved the day. I now have what I need to take the fam to Vietnam for free.
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Old Jun 8, 2013, 11:44 pm
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Congratulations, enjoy your trip and you are very wise to never carry a balance. Use the cards but never carry a balance. If you want to learn how to earn more points with wise use of credit card there is a blog by Rene called Delta Points at. [email protected]

Have a great week!
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Old Jun 9, 2013, 2:03 am
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check your post... that is her email addy...
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Old Jun 9, 2013, 10:00 am
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Sorry, you are correct.

Try this link.

http://www.feedblitz.com/f/f.fbz?Sub=896991&ajax=4

This should work.

Have a great trip!
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Old Jun 16, 2013, 2:35 am
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Slight changes, with slight increase for Nov 18-21, fares edging higher

$1384.90 ai SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
Nov 4-7, 11-14, 25-28.
5.47 cpm 25,318 MQM IN 72 hrs
1395.20 ai 5.51 cpm for Nov 18-21

$1384.90 ai SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT ATL SFO
Sep 2-5, 9-12, 16-19, Oct 7-10, 14-17, 21-24
24,976 MQM at 5.54 cpm in 72 hrs
Couldn't get return thru JFK on those dates
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Old Jun 19, 2013, 10:24 am
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Slight changes, with slight increase for Nov 18-21, fares edging higher

$1384.90 ai SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
Nov 4-7, 11-14, 25-28.
5.47 cpm 25,318 MQM IN 72 hrs
1395.20 ai 5.51 cpm for Nov 18-21

$1384.90 ai SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT ATL SFO
Sep 2-5, 9-12, 16-19, Oct 7-10, 14-17, 21-24
24,976 MQM at 5.54 cpm in 72 hrs
Couldn't get return thru JFK on those dates
I give you a bittersweet thank you for the tips on Rene's blog. Just what I needed... another a la flyer talk forum/blog to distract me from work... Hah! It is great, actually. Just the right dosage everyday (but reading old posts and "the essentials" is quite addictive). I even won the SWAG giveaway this week!!!!
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Old Jun 20, 2013, 1:57 am
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Congratulations

Originally Posted by uclalum
I give you a bittersweet thank you for the tips on Rene's blog. Just what I needed... another a la flyer talk forum/blog to distract me from work... Hah! It is great, actually. Just the right dosage everyday (but reading old posts and "the essentials" is quite addictive). I even won the SWAG giveaway this week!!!!
Yes, I saw that you were the winner, enjoy the prizes. I am a lifetime Skyclub member so that DM benefit doesn't help me, wish they would give me the annual dues as a credit towards a flight. Enjoy your trip. Making a MR in Aug SMF ATL CVG LGA ATL LAX SMF 6385 MQM for 327.40 ai 5.13 cpm, not a real good price but my cost was $277.40 or 4.34 cpm as I had a $50 TV from a delayed flight, hope most will be in FC. Cheers and good travels. If you want another blog, www.frugaltravelguy.com is very good.
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Old Jun 20, 2013, 12:55 pm
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Would love to get this in before Aug 20th or so.. matrix has been performing very poorly today.. so i cant even tell if there is anything even possible for the time frame between now and Aug 20 or so..
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Old Jun 20, 2013, 11:46 pm
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Originally Posted by stevenryals
Would love to get this in before Aug 20th or so.. matrix has been performing very poorly today.. so i cant even tell if there is anything even possible for the time frame between now and Aug 20 or so..
The prices given are specific for the routing from SFO thru JFK and ATL if JFK is not avail on return flight. All prices have been found at delta.com. The routing picked is to maximize MQM. If you take a more direct routing price is lower but you end up with only 16-18,000 MQM and prices earlier in Aug are higher. Plug in different dates but for out and back without staying overnight the Mon out on the red eye to JFK and Thr return are usually less although it may not be a big amount. The flights have been picked with schedule and not price as the priority to maximize miles. Let me know what fares you get.

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Old Jun 24, 2013, 2:15 pm
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
The prices given are specific for the routing from SFO thru JFK and ATL if JFK is not avail on return flight. All prices have been found at delta.com. The routing picked is to maximize MQM. If you take a more direct routing price is lower but you end up with only 16-18,000 MQM and prices earlier in Aug are higher. Plug in different dates but for out and back without staying overnight the Mon out on the red eye to JFK and Thr return are usually less although it may not be a big amount. The flights have been picked with schedule and not price as the priority to maximize miles. Let me know what fares you get.


unfortunately i'm not getting anything decent on the dates I need.. that happens frequently this time of year when i'm about out of vacation.. i can't be as flexible as i want to be.. oh well.. next time..
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