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Old Oct 24, 2015, 5:28 am
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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

Trip Reports/Tips:

2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb

2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2

2013: Oct
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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Old May 29, 2015, 3:18 pm
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Smile Fares May 29 - LAX Dep

LAX Dep LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 25,096 MQM in 72 hrs

$957 ai 3.81 cpm Oct 5-8, Nov 2-5, 9-12, 16-19
$971 ai 3.87 cpm Oct 19-22
$1105 ai 4.40 cpm Sep 28-Oct 1. 26-29
$1119 ai 4.46 cpm Oct 12-15
$1220 ai 4.86 cpm Dec 7-10

Other dates not given, fares higher! If you get lower fares or have comments, please post. Thanks!

Happy Travels! Cheers!
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Old Jun 2, 2015, 5:04 pm
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It looks as if things are taking a turn for the worse (more $$$)

I am seeing increases of between $60 - $105 for all dates I have been monitoring...

Any better date combinations now (As of June 2 2015) ?
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Old Jun 3, 2015, 11:13 pm
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Smile Summer prices usually higher even for dates in the fall

Typically fares go up during summer months even for dates in the fall. They will usually come down mid Aug and possibly a little more after Labor Day. Since the 747 have been replaced with 777 their are less seats to fill and prices are higher. Anytime you can get a flight out for <$1000 and get 25,000 MQM you are just under 4 cpm which is a pretty good price. Early Nov had some prices <$1000. You have to check every week. I will try to post fares at least once a week unless traveling with no internet access. If anyone has questions or comments or lower fare please post! Will be going to DPS thru SIN in Aug and probably going again in Dec for work. The bad news, Tried to get lower fares thru JFK or ATL from SMF at a reasonable price Summer Prces higherbut couldn't work it out for the dates I needed so will only get 18,500 MQM, the good news it was done with 70,000 FlexPerks points so it didn't cost any $.

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Old Jun 4, 2015, 1:13 am
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Fares Jun 3 LAX dep

LAX Dep LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 25,096 MQM

Prices from Google.com/flights

$1077 ai 4.29 cpm Sep 28-Oct 1, Oct 5-5, Nov 2-5, 9-12 Lowest price!
$1094 ai 4.36 cpm Oct 19-22
$1164 ai 4.64 cpm Dec 7-10
$1225 ai 4.88 cpm Oct 26-29, Nov 16-19
$1241 ai 4.95 cpm Oct 12-15
$1466 ai 5.76 cpm Nov 23-26, Nov 30-Dec 3

Dates not given, fares higher. Comments or lower fares, please post

Happy Travels! Cheers!
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Old Jun 5, 2015, 11:33 am
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Smile FARES June 5 SFO DEP

SFO DEP - SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO 25,318 MQM

$1120 ai 4.42 cpm Oct 19-22, Nov 2-5, 9-12 Best price today
$1200 ai 4.74 cpm Dec 7-10
$1264 ai 5.0 cpm Sep 28-Oct 1, 26-29, Nov 16-19

Other dates much higher, prices not good.
Prices from Google.com/flights

I'd you get lower prices or have comments please post!

Happy Travels! Have a great weekend! Cheers!
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Old Jun 9, 2015, 12:54 am
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Smile Fares Jun 8 LAX Dep

LAX Dep LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 25,096 MQM

$1077 ai 4.29 cpm Oct 19-22, Nov 2-5, 9-12 BEST FARE
$1164 ai 4.64 cpm Dec 7-10
$1225 ai 4.88 cpm Sep 28-Oct 1, 5-8, 26-29, Nov 16-19
$1241 ai 4.95 cpm Oct 12-15

Other dates much higher, if you get lower fares or have comments, please post!
Happy Travels! Have a great week! Cheers!
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Old Jun 15, 2015, 1:09 am
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Smile Fares Jun 14 LAX Dep

Minimal change from last post
LAX Dep 25,096 MQM. SFO Dep 25,318 MQM

SFO Dep fares approx $50 higher but there can be more variation depending on dates. Fares probably won't go down till late Aug. Dates not given higher, fares from Google.com/flights. If you have comments or get lower prices please post. Thanks! Early Oct and Nov have lowest fares this week.

$1077 ai 4.29 cpm Sep 28-Oct 1, 5-8, Nov 1-4, 2-5, 9-12 BEST FARE
$1094 ai 4.36 cpm Oct 19-22, Nov 7-10
$1117 ai 4.45 cpm Nov 3-6, 4-7, 6-9, Dec 3-6, 4-7
$1225 ai 4.88 cpm Oct 26-29, Nov 8-11, 16-19
$1241 ai 4.95 cpm Oct 12-15
$1255 ai 5.00 cpm Nov 5-8

Have a Great Week! Happy Travels! Cheers! Go Warriors!
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Ouch. Fares need to drop back down. Cathay had a $827 fare recently ex-SFO. I have my bookend flights booked the weekend before/after Thanksgiving. I just need to set my SIN run in the middle. Hoping to do SFO-SIN starting late 11/23 and back on 11/26. That's what I did last year.
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Old Jun 16, 2015, 11:48 pm
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Smile Nov MR

Will just have to keep checking, last year in the last half of Aug the prices went down for that week bur right now they are way too high, haven't checked to see how many empty seats there are the more empty seats the grater probability of a drop in price. Two years ago there was a drop for a few days in prices during last week of July. I don't have a MR scheduled for Nov but already did one in Feb with my wife from LAX for $850 which was available for only a few days. Have a good summer and keep checking, always good to hear from you.

Happy Travels, where are you going before and after Nov 23-26 week?
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Old Jun 22, 2015, 8:56 pm
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Will just have to keep checking, last year in the last half of Aug the prices went down for that week bur right now they are way too high, haven't checked to see how many empty seats there are the more empty seats the grater probability of a drop in price. Two years ago there was a drop for a few days in prices during last week of July. I don't have a MR scheduled for Nov but already did one in Feb with my wife from LAX for $850 which was available for only a few days. Have a good summer and keep checking, always good to hear from you.

Happy Travels, where are you going before and after Nov 23-26 week?
SFO if it works out. I still have 2 GUCs to use...
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Old Jun 26, 2015, 1:53 am
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Fares from LAX Jun 26

LAX Dep. 25,096 MQM
Fares from Google.com/flights

$928 ai 3.70 cpm Sep 28-Oct 1, 5-8, Nov 9-12 Best FARE
$1018 ai 4.06 cpm Nov 2-5, 23-26 (Thanksgiving Week)
$1022 ai 4.07 cpm Nov 30-Dec 3
$1034 ai 4.12 cpm Oct 12-15, 19-22
$1108 ai 4.41 cpm Dec 7-10
$1167 ai 4.65 cpm Oct 26-29, Nov 16-19
$1261 ai 5.02 cpm Sep 14-17

Dates not given higher fares, fare has gone down for Thanksgiving week!
Please post comments or lower fares! Thanks!

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Old Jun 26, 2015, 1:59 am
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Fares dropped for Thanksgiving week

Originally Posted by iamhereandthere
Ouch. Fares need to drop back down. Cathay had a $827 fare recently ex-SFO. I have my bookend flights booked the weekend before/after Thanksgiving. I just need to set my SIN run in the middle. Hoping to do SFO-SIN starting late 11/23 and back on 11/26. That's what I did last year.
Fares for Nov 23-26 LAX Dep down to $1018 ai 4.06 cpm
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Old Jun 27, 2015, 9:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Fares for Nov 23-26 LAX Dep down to $1018 ai 4.06 cpm
Found $1074 ex-SFO via ATL (crazy return though). $1278 via JFK. And LAX is showing $1400+ tonight.

There was a single sub-$1000 routing that was almost 20k MQMs via PDX, etc.

I'll have to pay more attention here. I missed the LAX fare. Although, if that ATL weren't so whack coming back I would consider it. Checked ex-LAX but I would get in too late on 11/26 to get back to SF. I'll keep watching.
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Old Jun 29, 2015, 12:08 am
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Fares Jun 28

Originally Posted by iamhereandthere
Found $1074 ex-SFO via ATL (crazy return though). $1278 via JFK. And LAX is showing $1400+ tonight.

There was a single sub-$1000 routing that was almost 20k MQMs via PDX, etc.

I'll have to pay more attention here. I missed the LAX fare. Although, if that ATL weren't so whack coming back I would consider it. Checked ex-LAX but I would get in too late on 11/26 to get back to SF. I'll keep watching.
$928 ai 3.70 cpm Nov 9-12, 23-26 (Thanksgiving Week)
$940 ai 3.74 cpm Sep 28-Oct
$1018 ai 4.06 cpm Nov 2-5

Price good for Thanksgiving week $928 3.70 cpm Nov 23-26
Fares from Google.com/flights

If you have comments or get a lower price please post!
Happy Travels! Cheers!
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Old Jun 29, 2015, 9:20 am
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JFK-SIN is $747 for fall through Dec including 11/23-26. Sigh. I can't seem to win!
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