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If you have done this trip please help improve the wiki!
Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?
Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.
How do I search for dates/prices?
One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
- outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
- inbound: dl+ nrt dtw
NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box
See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)
You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)
I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
- you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
- if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
- for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
- call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover
Do I need a visa?
No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.
What are the best seats?
Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
- one vote for the bulkhead in C+
- DL forum omnibus C+ thread: FAQ: Comfort+ Seating
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread
Will there be wifi on the international legs?
DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.
777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked
Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.
FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)
Other related threads:
Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)
Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet
SIN airport facilities
If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)
Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels
Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.
FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges
Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.
There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.
NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.
Things to do in SIN
In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.
SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.
Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9
Things to do on a long connection through NRT:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html
Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread
There is free wifi in NRT.
Returning to the US
Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)
You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.
Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.
Relevant FT threads:
- CLEAR - worthwhile use of $179? in theTrusted Travelers Forum
- DL-specific thread in the DL Forum
Returning via ATL:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread
CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.
For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.
(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)
Returning via DTW:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread
When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.
The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.
Duty Free Liquids
This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:
http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule
FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight
If you have any experience with this, please share!
IRROPS handling:
Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html
Trip Reports/Tips:
2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb
2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep
2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2
2013: Oct
[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)
#886
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Happy Travels! Cheers!
#887
Join Date: Nov 2014
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That was a late night purchase...
#888
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Gig Harbor, WA
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Posts: 693
Thanks. I had a MR last year but was there only a day so didn't see much. Flight gets in around midnight so might splurge on 2 nights of a reasonable hotel rather than hanging around the airport for several hours after 3 long flights!
#889
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Location: SMF
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Posts: 1,041
Happy Travels! Cheers!
#890
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Posts: 1,041
Prices on Apr 23
LAX Dep LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 25,096 MQM
$958 ai 3.82 cpm Oct 26-29, Nov 2-5, 9-12, 16-19, Dec 7-10 BEST PRICE
$1045 ai 4.16 cpm Oct 19-22
$1131 ai 4.50 cpm Oct 5-8, 12-15
SFO Dep SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO 25,318 MQM
$996 ai 3.93 cpm Oct 26-29, Nov 2-5, 9-12, 16-19, Dec 7-10 BEST PRICE
$1076 ai 4.25 cpm Oct 19-22
$1086 ai 4.29 cpm Nov23-26
$1156 ai 4.57 cpm Oct 5-8
$1166 ai 4.61 cpm Oct 12-15
SMF Dep SMF ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SMF 24,452 MQM
$1051 ai 4.28 cpm Sep 28-Oct 1 BEST PRICE
$1067 ai 4.35 cpm Oct 19-22, Nov 9-12, Dec 7-12
$1137 ai 4.63 cpm Oct 5-8
$1150 ai 4.69 cpm Nov 2-5, 16-19
$1194 ai 4.87 cpm Oct 26-29
Prices from Google.com/flights dates not given are higher!
Happy travels! Cheers! If you have any comments or lower prices please post.
$958 ai 3.82 cpm Oct 26-29, Nov 2-5, 9-12, 16-19, Dec 7-10 BEST PRICE
$1045 ai 4.16 cpm Oct 19-22
$1131 ai 4.50 cpm Oct 5-8, 12-15
SFO Dep SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO 25,318 MQM
$996 ai 3.93 cpm Oct 26-29, Nov 2-5, 9-12, 16-19, Dec 7-10 BEST PRICE
$1076 ai 4.25 cpm Oct 19-22
$1086 ai 4.29 cpm Nov23-26
$1156 ai 4.57 cpm Oct 5-8
$1166 ai 4.61 cpm Oct 12-15
SMF Dep SMF ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SMF 24,452 MQM
$1051 ai 4.28 cpm Sep 28-Oct 1 BEST PRICE
$1067 ai 4.35 cpm Oct 19-22, Nov 9-12, Dec 7-12
$1137 ai 4.63 cpm Oct 5-8
$1150 ai 4.69 cpm Nov 2-5, 16-19
$1194 ai 4.87 cpm Oct 26-29
Prices from Google.com/flights dates not given are higher!
Happy travels! Cheers! If you have any comments or lower prices please post.
#891
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Location: SMF
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Fares April 30 LAX Dep
LAX Dep LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 25,096 MQM
$959 ai 3.82 cpm Oct 26-29, Nov 2-5, 19-12, 16-19, Dec 7-10 BEST FARE!
$1046 ai 4.17 cpm Oct 19-22
$1132 ai 4.52 cpm Sep 21-24, Oct 12-15
Dates not given higher prices. Prices from Google.com/flights. The price for Thanksgiving week is too high for MR $1498 was in the low $900 earlier and was as low as $850 in early Feb when I did one with my wife. If you have lower prices or comments, please post! Next intl trips to PTY in Jun and DPS via SIN in Aug. Any recommendations for DXB sightseeing and reasonable accommodations, will be there at end of Sep for a couple days.
Happy Travels! Cheers!
$959 ai 3.82 cpm Oct 26-29, Nov 2-5, 19-12, 16-19, Dec 7-10 BEST FARE!
$1046 ai 4.17 cpm Oct 19-22
$1132 ai 4.52 cpm Sep 21-24, Oct 12-15
Dates not given higher prices. Prices from Google.com/flights. The price for Thanksgiving week is too high for MR $1498 was in the low $900 earlier and was as low as $850 in early Feb when I did one with my wife. If you have lower prices or comments, please post! Next intl trips to PTY in Jun and DPS via SIN in Aug. Any recommendations for DXB sightseeing and reasonable accommodations, will be there at end of Sep for a couple days.
Happy Travels! Cheers!
Last edited by Csfing1; Apr 30, 2015 at 1:36 am Reason: Add information
#892
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: MIA
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Posts: 241
Doing this mileage run Memorial Day weekend May 23-25. MIA-JFK-NRT-SIN-NRT-JFK-MIA if anyone else will be around.
#893
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Prices May 5 LAX and SFO Dep
LAX Dep LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 25,096 MQM
$958 ai 3.82 cpm Nov 2-5, 9-12,16-19 Best fare!!
$1045 ai 4.16 cpm Sep 28-Oct 1, Oct 26-29, Dec 7-10
$1131 ai 4.51 cpm Sep 21-24, Oct 5-8, 12-15, 19-22
SFO Dep SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO 25,318
$996 ai 3.93 cpm Nov 2-5, 9-12, 16-19 Best fare from SFO
$1006 ai 3.97 cpm Nov 23-26
$1076 ai 4.25 cpm Sep 28-Oct 1, Oct 26-29, Dec 7-10
$1156 ai 4.57 cpm Sep 21-24, Oct 19-22
Prices from Google.com/flights, dates not given, prices higher!
If you find lower prices, please post, comments always welcome!
Happy Travels! Cheers!
$958 ai 3.82 cpm Nov 2-5, 9-12,16-19 Best fare!!
$1045 ai 4.16 cpm Sep 28-Oct 1, Oct 26-29, Dec 7-10
$1131 ai 4.51 cpm Sep 21-24, Oct 5-8, 12-15, 19-22
SFO Dep SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO 25,318
$996 ai 3.93 cpm Nov 2-5, 9-12, 16-19 Best fare from SFO
$1006 ai 3.97 cpm Nov 23-26
$1076 ai 4.25 cpm Sep 28-Oct 1, Oct 26-29, Dec 7-10
$1156 ai 4.57 cpm Sep 21-24, Oct 19-22
Prices from Google.com/flights, dates not given, prices higher!
If you find lower prices, please post, comments always welcome!
Happy Travels! Cheers!
#894
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Fares May 14 LAX Dep
LAX dep LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 25,096 MQM
$959 ai 3.82 cpm Nov 2-5, 9-12, 16-19 BEST FARE!
$972 ai 3.87 cpm Oct 19-22
$1046 ai 4.17 cpm Sep 28-Oct 1, 5-8, 26-29, Dec 7-10
$1338 ai 5.33 cpm Nov 23-26 (Thanksgiving week)
$1348 ai 5.37 cpm Aug 31-Sep 3
$1360 ai 5.42 cpm Nov 30-Dec 3
Dates not posted, higher prices. Prices from Google.com/flights. If you get lower prices or have any comments, please post! If anyone is doing a MR May 23-25, meet DLDiamond2013, see post 892
Happy Travels! Cheers!
$959 ai 3.82 cpm Nov 2-5, 9-12, 16-19 BEST FARE!
$972 ai 3.87 cpm Oct 19-22
$1046 ai 4.17 cpm Sep 28-Oct 1, 5-8, 26-29, Dec 7-10
$1338 ai 5.33 cpm Nov 23-26 (Thanksgiving week)
$1348 ai 5.37 cpm Aug 31-Sep 3
$1360 ai 5.42 cpm Nov 30-Dec 3
Dates not posted, higher prices. Prices from Google.com/flights. If you get lower prices or have any comments, please post! If anyone is doing a MR May 23-25, meet DLDiamond2013, see post 892
Happy Travels! Cheers!
Last edited by Csfing1; May 14, 2015 at 1:42 am Reason: Add info
#895
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
Prices May 17 LAX Dep
LAX Dep 25,096 MQM LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
Prices essentially the same as last post
$959 ai 3.82 cpm Nov 2-5, 9-12, 16-19 BEST PRICE!
$973 ai 3.87 cpm Oct 19-22
$1046 ai 4.17 cpm Sep 28-Oct 1, 5-8, 26-29,Dec 7-10
1348 ai 5.37 cpm Aug 31-Sep 3, Nov 23-26 (Thanksgiving Week)
$1360 ai 5.42 cpm Nov 30-Dec 3
Prices from Google flights. Dates not given fares higher! If you get lower prices or have comments, please post!
Happy Travels! Cheers!
Prices essentially the same as last post
$959 ai 3.82 cpm Nov 2-5, 9-12, 16-19 BEST PRICE!
$973 ai 3.87 cpm Oct 19-22
$1046 ai 4.17 cpm Sep 28-Oct 1, 5-8, 26-29,Dec 7-10
1348 ai 5.37 cpm Aug 31-Sep 3, Nov 23-26 (Thanksgiving Week)
$1360 ai 5.42 cpm Nov 30-Dec 3
Prices from Google flights. Dates not given fares higher! If you get lower prices or have comments, please post!
Happy Travels! Cheers!
Last edited by Csfing1; May 18, 2015 at 1:44 am Reason: Spelling
#897
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Join Date: Dec 2011
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Fares May 18 - LAX and SFO Dep
LAX dep LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 25,096 MQM
Have tried various combinations of dates for week and weekend after Thanksgiving from 3-5 days out and back LAX dep and lowest fares are:
$959 ai 3.82 cpm Nov 2-5, 9-12, 16-19 still the lowest but only a $30-$40 less, pick the dates that work best for you, the difference in $ won't be that significant when you are going for MQM
$989 ai 3.94 cpm Dec 4-7
$995 ai 3.96 cpm Dec 3-7, 7-11
$999 ai 3.98 cpm Dec 3-6
$1046-$1082 ai 4.16-4.31 cpm - you can pick from following Dec 3-9, 3-8, 4-8, 5-8, 6-9, 7-10
$1106 ai 4.41 cpm Dec 2-5
SFO dep SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO 25,318 MQM
$997 ai 3.94 cpm Nov 1-4, 2-5, 9-12, 15-18, 16-19 lowest fare from SFO
$1003 ai 3.96 cpm Nov 15-19
Happy Travels! Cheers
#898
Join Date: Nov 2014
Programs: DL DM, UA, AA EXP, AS MVP75K GOLD, HHonors Diamond, BW Diamond, SPG Gold, Hyatt Diamond
Posts: 382
Thanks for your post!
LAX dep LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 25,096 MQM
Have tried various combinations of dates for week and weekend after Thanksgiving from 3-5 days out and back LAX dep and lowest fares are:
$959 ai 3.82 cpm Nov 2-5, 9-12, 16-19 still the lowest but only a $30-$40 less, pick the dates that work best for you, the difference in $ won't be that significant when you are going for MQM
$989 ai 3.94 cpm Dec 4-7
$995 ai 3.96 cpm Dec 3-7, 7-11
$999 ai 3.98 cpm Dec 3-6
$1046-$1082 ai 4.16-4.31 cpm - you can pick from following Dec 3-9, 3-8, 4-8, 5-8, 6-9, 7-10
$1106 ai 4.41 cpm Dec 2-5
SFO dep SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO 25,318 MQM
$997 ai 3.94 cpm Nov 1-4, 2-5, 9-12, 15-18, 16-19 lowest fare from SFO
$1003 ai 3.96 cpm Nov 15-19
Happy Travels! Cheers
LAX dep LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX 25,096 MQM
Have tried various combinations of dates for week and weekend after Thanksgiving from 3-5 days out and back LAX dep and lowest fares are:
$959 ai 3.82 cpm Nov 2-5, 9-12, 16-19 still the lowest but only a $30-$40 less, pick the dates that work best for you, the difference in $ won't be that significant when you are going for MQM
$989 ai 3.94 cpm Dec 4-7
$995 ai 3.96 cpm Dec 3-7, 7-11
$999 ai 3.98 cpm Dec 3-6
$1046-$1082 ai 4.16-4.31 cpm - you can pick from following Dec 3-9, 3-8, 4-8, 5-8, 6-9, 7-10
$1106 ai 4.41 cpm Dec 2-5
SFO dep SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO 25,318 MQM
$997 ai 3.94 cpm Nov 1-4, 2-5, 9-12, 15-18, 16-19 lowest fare from SFO
$1003 ai 3.96 cpm Nov 15-19
Happy Travels! Cheers
#899
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Posts: 1,041
How many days do you want?
Try the dates in early Nov, am reasonably certain you can stay for longer periods of time with minimal impact of fare. Go to google.com/flights and plug in the dates. Use the multi city selection, LAX JFK, JFK SIN, SIN JFK, JFK LAX.
Take evening flight from LAX so your layover in JFK won't be so long and on your return allow enough time, at least 2 hours to clear customs and TSA unless you have Global Entry and PreCheck. SIN is a great city to visit depending on your interests. If you have any questions let me know! Thanks for your post!
Happy Travels! Cheers!
Take evening flight from LAX so your layover in JFK won't be so long and on your return allow enough time, at least 2 hours to clear customs and TSA unless you have Global Entry and PreCheck. SIN is a great city to visit depending on your interests. If you have any questions let me know! Thanks for your post!
Happy Travels! Cheers!
#900
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Enjoy your MR, hope you will meet someone doing the same
Happy Travels, enjoy your weekend and give us a report as you go. Cheers!