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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Old Oct 24, 2015, 5:28 am
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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Old Oct 19, 2014, 10:29 pm
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Prices Oct 19

Best prices are from LAX $973.90 ai 25,096 MQM 3.88 CPM
LAX JFK, NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
$973.90 Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, 23-26, 24-27, Dec 1-4

SFO Dep 25,318 MQM SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
$991.20 ai 3.92 CPM Nov 17-20, 23-26
$1002.90 ai 4.86 CPM Nov 3-6, 24-27
$1017.90 ai 4.02 CPM Nov 10-13
$1230.90 ai 4.86 CPM Dec 1-4

Best prices from LAX but for Nov 17-20, 23-26 the price is almost the same!

Happy Travels! Get your quadrivalent Flu Shot! If you get lower prices please post! Happy Travels! . Have MR from SFO Oct 26-29 and LAX Nov 24-27 if anyone is going at those times let me know!
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Old Oct 20, 2014, 3:55 am
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help with delta lax-sin

If I wanted to do dec 2-5 which flights am I telling DM desk. Bec when I called she got nowhere near the prices you quoted
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Old Oct 20, 2014, 8:08 am
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Originally Posted by markesq6
If I wanted to do dec 2-5 which flights am I telling DM desk. Bec when I called she got nowhere near the prices you quoted
But csfing1's price is for Dec 1-4. One day can make a big difference. Try finding your exact flights on ITA Matrix using the multi-segment option. If it doesn't exist on ITA, then it doesn't exist for Delta reservations either.
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Old Oct 20, 2014, 12:30 pm
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Well, if I understand correctly, I can no longer use the "third party" SkyTeam Lounge in SIN since Delta is cheap and so am I. So, let's say I want to force myself to walk and stay awake during my six hours there, and maybe buy some duty-free liquor in the bargain. Is this even possible if I clear immigration after midnight but then go back into the airport at 4 AM or so? Or should I buy duty-free in NRT and then check it in at SIN?
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Old Oct 20, 2014, 5:29 pm
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If you are in business class you will have access to the Skyview Lounge. If you have any liquor it will have to be checked as you will not be able to get it through security in Japan or TSA if you have a continuing journey after JFK or ATL on your way home.

If you go out through immigration and exit the terminal you will not be able to go back through security and immigration without a boarding pass. You will have to wait until they open the area where you check in outside until about 2-3 hours befor your scheduled departure. It would be easier to stay inside until the check in counters are open outside so you can check your luggage containing your liquor. There is more to see and do inside the terminal unless you want to take a taxi into town and have the driver show you around. There will be some places open where you can eat but you can also find those in the terminal. There is a transit hotel inside the terminal where you can stay for a few hours and shower and sleep but you may not be able to get a reservation unless you make one well in advance of your date in SIN.

If you have further questions please let me know!

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Old Oct 20, 2014, 5:35 pm
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Originally Posted by Bowgie
But csfing1's price is for Dec 1-4. One day can make a big difference. Try finding your exact flights on ITA Matrix using the multi-segment option. If it doesn't exist on ITA, then it doesn't exist for Delta reservations either.
One day does make a big difference whether it is Dec 1-4 or Dec 2-5!

That is the reason the dates are specified and those fares are available until those seats are filled or they change the fares which they often do!
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Old Oct 20, 2014, 5:41 pm
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Originally Posted by Uncle Lars
Is this even possible if I clear immigration after midnight but then go back into the airport at 4 AM or so?
Yes, that is possible.
Immigration opens 24 hrs.
Also, There is a 24 hrs food court on Basement Level 2 @ Terminal 3.
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Old Oct 20, 2014, 11:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Calgary88
Yes, that is possible.
Immigration opens 24 hrs.
Also, There is a 24 hrs food court on Basement Level 2 @ Terminal 3.
You will need a boarding pass to get inside to go thru immigration. You can get one inside at the transit desk when they open at 0300 or 0330 or wait outside until you can check in and get your boarding pass at the check in counter.

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Old Oct 22, 2014, 9:15 pm
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Forgive me for the silly questions as I've never done a mileage run before:

1. If I need ~ 25K on Delta, is the routing above the best way to do it?
2. Do I book directly with Delta? It sounds like I need to call them rather than doing it online?
3. How do the dates/times work? Say I want to do the 24-27. How do I see which flights complete the run?
4. How do I get through JFK-NRT in economy?
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Old Oct 22, 2014, 9:51 pm
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Originally Posted by nyfirefly11
Forgive me for the silly questions as I've never done a mileage run before:

1. If I need ~ 25K on Delta, is the routing above the best way to do it?
2. Do I book directly with Delta? It sounds like I need to call them rather than doing it online?
3. How do the dates/times work? Say I want to do the 24-27. How do I see which flights complete the run?
4. How do I get through JFK-NRT in economy?
1) Id say this is prob the most direct/easy way.
2) I've booked both of mine through DL.com (technically i pull it up on google flights and then click the delta link which brings it up)
3) google flights, select multi city:
LAX-JFK 24th
JFK-SIN 25th (will show with the NRT layover)
SIN-JFK 27th (will show with the NRT layover)
JFK-LAX 27th.
4) Pick a row (even not in ec) thats fully open, ive gotten to lie down across a row on all but 1 leg
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Old Oct 24, 2014, 12:17 pm
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Smile Fare on Oct 24 LAX Dep Dec 1-4 870 ai 25,096 MQM 3.47 cpm

Called the DM desk to check on status of GU, not confirmed but looks good. My wife isn't really convinced it is worth it, but she is long suffering and more or less understands the "necessity" of MR, as she has done a few shorter ones so she could keep her PM in years past. Had Ann check LAX Dep Nov 24-27, was $1059.00 ai 4.22 CPM 25,096 MQM, requested she chec Dec 1-4 for same routing, best price in last 15 months, $870.00 ai 3.47 CPM - LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX. This is an absolutely great price, go for it, if it works for you, don't know how long it will be available. Asked her to check again and she confirmed the price. If anyone makes that run let me know.

If anyone is going out Oct 26-29 SFO JFK NRT SIN JFK SFO would be happy to meet you. Have a great day and wonderful weekend, didn't have time to check any other prices at this time.

Happy Travels! Get your quadrivalent Flu shot! Cheers!

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Old Oct 24, 2014, 9:50 pm
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Called the DM desk to check on status of GU, not confirmed but looks good. My wife isn't really convinced it is worth it, but she is long suffering and more or less understands the "necessity" of MR, as she has done a few shorter ones so she could keep her PM in years past. Had Ann check LAX Dep Nov 24-27, was $1059.00 ai 4.22 CPM 25,096 MQM, requested she chec Dec 1-4 for same routing, best price in last 15 months, $870.00 ai 3.47 CPM - LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX. This is an absolutely great price, go for it, if it works for you, don't know how long it will be available. Asked her to check again and she confirmed the price. If anyone makes that run let me know.

If anyone is going out Oct 26-29 SFO JFK NRT SIN JFK SFO would be happy to meet you. Have a great day and wonderful weekend, didn't have time to check any other prices at this time.

Happy Travels! Get your quadrivalent Flu shot! Cheers!
Im only getting $1230~ for the Dec1-4 cant reproduce the 870
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Old Oct 25, 2014, 2:23 pm
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Originally Posted by xolinlevh
Im only getting $1230~ for the Dec1-4 cant reproduce the 870
same here, tried google flight / ita. maybe it was a short-lived bargain. need to burn $425 DL credit by 12/31.
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Old Oct 25, 2014, 5:27 pm
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Originally Posted by Putt86
same here, tried google flight / ita. maybe it was a short-lived bargain. need to burn $425 DL credit by 12/31.
well if you cant find a use for it soon....ill gladly take it off your hands ^_^
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Old Oct 25, 2014, 6:31 pm
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Edited due to change, can't go anymore )c:

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