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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

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2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb

2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2

2013: Oct
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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Old Aug 20, 2014, 1:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
LAX Dep 25,096 MQM LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
$1027.30 ai 4.09 cpm Sep 15-18, 29-Oct 2, Oct 27-30, Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20
$1015.60 ai 4.05 cpm Sep 8-11, 22-25
$1315.20 ai 5.24 cpm Nov 24-27

Happy Travels! Have a Great Week! If you find better fares please post. Cheers!
Ive been trying to replicate this fare on google flights without any luck, can you provide more details? thanks!
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Old Aug 20, 2014, 4:29 pm
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Originally Posted by xolinlevh
Ive been trying to replicate this fare on google flights without any luck, can you provide more details? thanks!
I think it best (Csfing correct if wrong), to plug into ITA (advanced routing codes JFK NRT and NRT JFK, respectively) and then into DL website (multi-city) once you have your dates and flights. Google flights Multi-City has the option for only 5 segments
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Old Aug 20, 2014, 5:27 pm
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Originally Posted by xolinlevh
Ive been trying to replicate this fare on google flights without any luck, can you provide more details? thanks!
Go to delta.com multi city and then select flights, just did this and checked for Sep 8-11 and 15-18 and got a price of $1033.90 ai 25,096 MQM 4.11 cpm

Almost always price these fares on delta.com

If you have any problems let me know!

Happy Travels! If you find any lower fares please post! Cheers!
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OMG I just generated it. $1,194.80 leaving 9/8 back in SFO 9/11
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Old Aug 21, 2014, 12:10 am
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OMG I just generated it. $1,194.80 leaving 9/8 back in SFO 9/11
On delta.com This itinerary is $$1038.30 ai 25,318 MQM 4.10 cpm
At 11:00 pm PDT this should save you $156.50. If you can't get the fare let me know. SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO

Happy Travels! Cheers!

FLIGHTMon, 08 Sep 2014 | 9:30PMSFO to 6:00AMTue 09 SepJFK | Nonstop | DL 2240
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9:30PM
SFO
6:00AM Tue 09 Sep
JFK
Nonstop
5hr 30m
DL 2240Economy (V)
FLIGHTTue, 09 Sep 2014 | 2:45PMJFK to 1:40AMThu 11 SepSIN | 1 stop | DL 473DL 167
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2:45PM
JFK
1:40AM Thu 11 Sep
SIN
1 stop
22hr 55m
DL 473
DL 167Economy (V)
Economy (V)
FLIGHTThu, 11 Sep 2014 | 5:50AMSIN to 2:46PMJFK | 1 stop | DL 166DL 172
Show Details
5:50AM
SIN
2:46PM
JFK
1 stop
20hr 56m
DL 166
DL 172Economy (V)
Economy (V)
FLIGHTThu, 11 Sep 2014 | 5:55PMJFK to 9:22PMSFO | Nonstop | DL 431
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5:55PM
JFK
9:22PM
SFO
Nonstop
6hr 27m
DL 431Economy (V)
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I just booked the 1 for 982.00 SFO-MSP-NRT-SIN-NRT-LAX-SFO. Little did I know, I can't upgrade on this (V)fare so I'm stuck in coach. EEEEEEK What are the best economy non comfort seats on the 747-400 and 777-200ER? I don't plan to spend another dime hahaha. Not even doing the economy comfort thing. At least this will take me into Platinum Medallion status. Also, any tips for hotels in SIN. I get in at 1am 9/10 with this routing and have that night/early morning and the next night there. Leave out 9/11 at 5:50am.
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Old Aug 21, 2014, 1:36 am
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Originally Posted by Airmale85
I just booked the 1 for 982.00 SFO-MSP-NRT-SIN-NRT-LAX-SFO. Little did I know, I can't upgrade on this (V)fare so I'm stuck in coach. EEEEEEK What are the best economy non comfort seats on the 747-400 and 777-200ER? I don't plan to spend another dime hahaha. Not even doing the economy comfort thing. At least this will take me into Platinum Medallion status. Also, any tips for hotels in SIN. I get in at 1am 9/10 with this routing and have that night/early morning and the next night there. Leave out 9/11 at 5:50am.
For $60 more with routing thru JFK you will get 25,318 MQM which will be 6-7000 more MQM than the route you have chosen and your cpm cost will be lower. You have 24 hrs to cancel your fare without a penalty and rebook your itinerary thru JFK and get more MQM.

It is up to you!

Happy Travels! Cheers!
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Old Aug 21, 2014, 3:27 pm
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5243 More MQM at lower cpm 4.10 cpm

Originally Posted by Airmale85
I just booked the 1 for 982.00 SFO-MSP-NRT-SIN-NRT-LAX-SFO. Little did I know, I can't upgrade on this (V)fare so I'm stuck in coach. EEEEEEK What are the best economy non comfort seats on the 747-400 and 777-200ER? I don't plan to spend another dime hahaha. Not even doing the economy comfort thing. At least this will take me into Platinum Medallion status. Also, any tips for hotels in SIN. I get in at 1am 9/10 with this routing and have that night/early morning and the next night there. Leave out 9/11 at 5:50am.
The following fare is still available at 2 pm PDT $1038.30 ai 25,318 MQM 4.10 cpm SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO which is 5,243 MQM for $56.30 more than the cost of 982.00 ai 4.89 cpm for 20,075 MQM SFO MSP NRT SIN NRT LAX SFO. This fare is available at delta.com multi city booking.

There are many hotels from modest to expensive, go to - google hotels in Singapore and see if you can find one with a free airport shuttle, otherwise take a cab, they will cost 50% more between midnight and 6 am but prices are modest compared to the US. Have a great trip!

It is your choice as always but you can get more MQM for a few $ more and a lower cpm cost.

Have a wonderful day. Happy Travels! If anyone sees lower fares, please post! Cheers!

Last edited by Csfing1; Aug 21, 2014 at 3:41 pm Reason: Add info about hotels
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Old Aug 24, 2014, 1:22 am
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Smile Fares Aug 23 SFO and LAX Dep

Not much change in fares from previous posting. Probability of fares going much lower is not good, in early July 2013 fares for LAX Dep were $787.30 ai 3.14 cpm for LAX Dep but don't think it will happen this year.

SFO Dep 25,318 MQM SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
$1038.30 ai 4.10 cpm Sep 8-11, 22-25, Oct 26-29, Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20
$1223.00 ai 4.83 cpm Oct 20-23
$1258.90 ai 4.97 cpm Sep 15-18

LAX Dep 25,096 MQM LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
$1024.30 4.08 cpm Oct 19-22
$1033.90 4.12 cpm Sep 8-11, 15-18, Oct 20-23, 26-29, Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20

$1165.90 4.65 cpm Sep 22-25, Oct 27-30

Happy Travels! Have a super week! If you find lower fares, please post. Cheers!

Last edited by Csfing1; Aug 24, 2014 at 1:34 am Reason: To correct price for fares avail Jul 2013 for LAX dep
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Old Aug 24, 2014, 9:35 am
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Not much change in fares from previous posting. Probability of fares going much lower is not good, in early July 2013 fares for LAX Dep were $787.30 ai 3.14 cpm for LAX Dep but don't think it will happen this year.

SFO Dep 25,318 MQM SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
$1038.30 ai 4.10 cpm Sep 8-11, 22-25, Oct 26-29, Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20
$1223.00 ai 4.83 cpm Oct 20-23
$1258.90 ai 4.97 cpm Sep 15-18

LAX Dep 25,096 MQM LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
$1024.30 4.08 cpm Oct 19-22
$1033.90 4.12 cpm Sep 8-11, 15-18, Oct 20-23, 26-29, Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20

$1165.90 4.65 cpm Sep 22-25, Oct 27-30

Happy Travels! Have a super week! If you find lower fares, please post. Cheers!
hey, is there any way to get one of the SFO departures, in the low ~4s ($1k), but with 1-2 days in SIN? I have the 8-11th pricing out on DL.com but if i try to ask it for like the 12/13th as a return to give some time to explore the city, it errors out.....something like the 14-19th comes out at ~1500

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Old Aug 24, 2014, 10:14 am
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Smile Get your MR soon, fares probably won't stay down for too long!

Originally Posted by xolinlevh
hey, is there any way to get one of the SFO departures, in the low ~4s ($1k), but with 1-2 days in SIN? I have the 8-11th pricing out on DL.com but if i try to ask it for like the 12/13th as a return to give some time to explore the city, it errors out.....something like the 14-19th comes out at ~1500
Try leaving one or two days earlier and see what you get, had to do Sun departure one some weeks to keep the fares down. Let me know if that works and try different weeks as well. My ticket is Oct 26-29 as 27-30 was much higher!

Happy Travels! Thanks for your inquiry. Cheers!
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Smile Get your MR soon, fares probably won't stay down for too long!

Originally Posted by xolinlevh
hey, is there any way to get one of the SFO departures, in the low ~4s ($1k), but with 1-2 days in SIN? I have the 8-11th pricing out on DL.com but if i try to ask it for like the 12/13th as a return to give some time to explore the city, it errors out.....something like the 14-19th comes out at ~1500
Found fare for Sep 22-26 for $1110.90 ai 4.39 cpm, this is Mon out Fri back.
Try other weeks as well, you might do better.

FLIGHTMon, 22 Sep 2014 | 4:00PMSFO to 12:32AMTue 23 SepJFK | Nonstop | DL 2040
4:00PM
SFO
12:32AM Tue 23 Sep
JFK
5hr 32m
DL 2040Economy (V)
FLIGHTTue, 23 Sep 2014 | 2:45PMJFK to 1:40AMThu 25 SepSIN | 1 stop | DL 473DL 167
2:45PM
JFK
1:40AM Thu 25 Sep
SIN
1 stop
22hr 55m
DL 473
DL 167Economy (V)
FLIGHTFri, 26 Sep 2014 | 6:10AMSIN to 2:46PMJFK | 1 stop | DL 166DL 172
6:10AM
SIN
2:46PM
JFK
1 stop
20hr 36m
DL 166
DL 172Economy (V)
FLIGHTFri, 26 Sep 2014 | 5:55PMJFK to 9:17PMSFO | Nonstop | DL 431
5:55PM
JFK
9:17PM
SFO
6hr 22m
DL 431Economy (V)

Happy Travels! Cheers!

Last edited by Csfing1; Aug 24, 2014 at 11:32 am Reason: Duplicate message; found fare for Sep 22-26
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Old Aug 26, 2014, 5:41 pm
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Found fare for Sep 22-26 for $1110.90 ai 4.39 cpm, this is Mon out Fri back.
Try other weeks as well, you might do better.

FLIGHTMon, 22 Sep 2014 | 4:00PMSFO to 12:32AMTue 23 SepJFK | Nonstop | DL 2040
4:00PM
SFO
12:32AM Tue 23 Sep
JFK
5hr 32m
DL 2040Economy (V)
FLIGHTTue, 23 Sep 2014 | 2:45PMJFK to 1:40AMThu 25 SepSIN | 1 stop | DL 473DL 167
2:45PM
JFK
1:40AM Thu 25 Sep
SIN
1 stop
22hr 55m
DL 473
DL 167Economy (V)
FLIGHTFri, 26 Sep 2014 | 6:10AMSIN to 2:46PMJFK | 1 stop | DL 166DL 172
6:10AM
SIN
2:46PM
JFK
1 stop
20hr 36m
DL 166
DL 172Economy (V)
FLIGHTFri, 26 Sep 2014 | 5:55PMJFK to 9:17PMSFO | Nonstop | DL 431
5:55PM
JFK
9:17PM
SFO
6hr 22m
DL 431Economy (V)

Happy Travels! Cheers!
DL.com re-prices that to ~1445 when i try to book through. Im thinking of just doing the quick turn, as horrible as that may be. Anyone had any experience with the 1:40 arrival and the 5:50a departure? any good places to nap in the airport at those hours? Id REALLY like to have a later departure and be able to go to a hotel for 1-2 nights and explore, but not when it prices upto 1500 =/
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Old Aug 27, 2014, 5:23 am
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Originally Posted by xolinlevh
DL.com re-prices that to ~1445 when i try to book through. Im thinking of just doing the quick turn, as horrible as that may be. Anyone had any experience with the 1:40 arrival and the 5:50a departure? any good places to nap in the airport at those hours? Id REALLY like to have a later departure and be able to go to a hotel for 1-2 nights and explore, but not when it prices upto 1500 =/
Have made the MR multiple times, no problem, they have a transit hotel and at least one place where they have lounge type chairs you can sleep on. Doing a MR Oct 26-29, fare is now $1037.80 ai 25,318 MQM 4.10 cpm. Join us.


OUTBOUND 1 Sun, 26 Oct 2014 |11:00PMSFO to 7:30AM Monday, 27 Oct JFK | Nonstop |DL 2571
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11:00PM
SFO
7:30AM
Monday 27 Oct
JFK
Nonstop 5 hr 30 min
DL 2571
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OUTBOUND 2 Mon, 27 Oct 2014 |12:59PMJFK to 12:30AM Tuesday, 28 Oct SIN | 1-Stop |DL 473 , DL 167
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12:59PM
JFK
12:30AM
Tuesday 28 Oct
SIN
1-Stop 23 hr 31 min
NRT 1h 40m Layover
DL 473
Economy (V)
DL 167
Economy (V)
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Complete Delta Air Lines Baggage Information
OUTBOUND 3 Wed, 29 Oct 2014 |6:55AMSIN to 5:11PM JFK | 1-Stop |DL 166 , DL 172
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6:55AM
SIN
5:11PM
JFK
1-Stop 22 hr 16 min
NRT 2h 40m Layover
DL 166
Economy (V)
DL 172
Economy (V)
View Seats
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OUTBOUND 4 Wed, 29 Oct 2014 |5:55PMJFK to 9:25PM SFO | Nonstop |DL 431
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5:55PM
JFK
9:25PM
SFO
Nonstop 6 hr 30 min
DL 431

Happy Travels! Cheers!
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Old Aug 27, 2014, 9:52 am
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Have made the MR multiple times, no problem, they have a transit hotel and at least one place where they have lounge type chairs you can sleep on. Doing a MR Oct 26-29, fare is now $1037.80 ai 25,318 MQM 4.10 cpm. Join us.
ill be booking the sept 8-11 today or tomorrow. Sadly i cant predict my availability as far out as the end of October so booking for then isnt possible. Maybe a few days before that run ill know im free and can book it
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