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If you have done this trip please help improve the wiki!
Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?
Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN
FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.How do I search for dates/prices?
One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
- outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
- inbound: dl+ nrt dtw
NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box
See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)
You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)
I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
- you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
- if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
- for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
- call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover
Do I need a visa?
No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.
What are the best seats?
Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
- one vote for the bulkhead in C+
- DL forum omnibus C+ thread: FAQ: Comfort+ Seating
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread
Will there be wifi on the international legs?
DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.
777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked
Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.
FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)
Other related threads:
Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)
Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet
SIN airport facilities
If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)
Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels
Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.
FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges
Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.
There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.
NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.
Things to do in SIN
In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.
SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.
Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9
Things to do on a long connection through NRT:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html
Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread
There is free wifi in NRT.
Returning to the US
Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)
You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.
Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.
Relevant FT threads:
- CLEAR - worthwhile use of $179? in theTrusted Travelers Forum
- DL-specific thread in the DL Forum
Returning via ATL:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread
CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.
For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.
(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)
Returning via DTW:
Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread
When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.
The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.
Duty Free Liquids
This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:
http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule
FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight
If you have any experience with this, please share!
IRROPS handling:
Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html
Trip Reports/Tips:
2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb
2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep
2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2
2013: Oct
[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)
Jul 11, 2017, 8:03 pm
#2041
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 66
Joined SQ FFP, UA, and AA FFP. I have MR in Sept. - EWR-HKG-PEK credited to SQ FFP. Wanting quick status with SKyteam airline with FFP that is mileage based to join and stocking award miles for future flights. Am I close to making some sense here or please, other advice to best utilize DL MR's bennies.
TIA
Jul 11, 2017, 8:34 pm
#2042
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I'm thinking about takin this MR in Oct - Nov. And not being a Skyteam flyer to date.... need help.
Joined SQ FFP, UA, and AA FFP. I have MR in Sept. - EWR-HKG-PEK credited to SQ FFP. Wanting quick status with SKyteam airline with FFP that is mileage based to join and stocking award miles for future flights. Am I close to making some sense here or please, other advice to best utilize DL MR's bennies.
TIA
Joined SQ FFP, UA, and AA FFP. I have MR in Sept. - EWR-HKG-PEK credited to SQ FFP. Wanting quick status with SKyteam airline with FFP that is mileage based to join and stocking award miles for future flights. Am I close to making some sense here or please, other advice to best utilize DL MR's bennies.
TIA
http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....p-delta-fares/
Jul 12, 2017, 1:52 am
#2043
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
Posts: 1,041
I'm thinking about takin this MR in Oct - Nov. And not being a Skyteam flyer to date.... need help.
Joined SQ FFP, UA, and AA FFP. I have MR in Sept. - EWR-HKG-PEK credited to SQ FFP. Wanting quick status with SKyteam airline with FFP that is mileage based to join and stocking award miles for future flights. Am I close to making some sense here or please, other advice to best utilize DL MR's bennies.
TIA
Joined SQ FFP, UA, and AA FFP. I have MR in Sept. - EWR-HKG-PEK credited to SQ FFP. Wanting quick status with SKyteam airline with FFP that is mileage based to join and stocking award miles for future flights. Am I close to making some sense here or please, other advice to best utilize DL MR's bennies.
TIA
Jul 12, 2017, 7:32 am
#2044
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 66
I would want to climb through the levels as miles climb. But main interest would accumulating award miles for future flights from these MR's. So dollar based FFP don't work so well. So was trying to gain info on which skyteam member airline is best for mileage based rewards.
Jul 12, 2017, 7:37 am
#2045
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: NYC
Programs: DL ✈️
Posts: 638
I'm thinking about takin this MR in Oct - Nov. And not being a Skyteam flyer to date.... need help.
Joined SQ FFP, UA, and AA FFP. I have MR in Sept. - EWR-HKG-PEK credited to SQ FFP. Wanting quick status with SKyteam airline with FFP that is mileage based to join and stocking award miles for future flights. Am I close to making some sense here or please, other advice to best utilize DL MR's bennies.
TIA
Joined SQ FFP, UA, and AA FFP. I have MR in Sept. - EWR-HKG-PEK credited to SQ FFP. Wanting quick status with SKyteam airline with FFP that is mileage based to join and stocking award miles for future flights. Am I close to making some sense here or please, other advice to best utilize DL MR's bennies.
TIA
outside the us, maybe credit to Czech or flying blue (Klm/Air France)
I usually do MU and AM to get a ton of DL miles but the best rates are at the Flying Blue program.
Tl;dr this mileage run is on Delta so if you credit to delta you would only earn based on price.
Jul 12, 2017, 8:14 am
#2046
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 66
mmmm the best way of having award mikes on sky is probably via credit cards. Citi, Chase and Amex all have Delta and airfrance as transfer partners.
outside the us, maybe credit to Czech or flying blue (Klm/Air France)
I usually do MU and AM to get a ton of DL miles but the best rates are at the Flying Blue program.
Tl;dr this mileage run is on Delta so if you credit to delta you would only earn based on price.
outside the us, maybe credit to Czech or flying blue (Klm/Air France)
I usually do MU and AM to get a ton of DL miles but the best rates are at the Flying Blue program.
Tl;dr this mileage run is on Delta so if you credit to delta you would only earn based on price.
TIA
Jul 12, 2017, 2:58 pm
#2047
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: SFO/DTW
Programs: DL PM 0.5MM, Hyatt Globalist, HHonors Gold, SPG Plat, Marriott Gold, Avis PC, National EE, Hertz PC
Posts: 1,988
I would want to climb through the levels as miles climb. But main interest would accumulating award miles for future flights from these MR's. So dollar based FFP don't work so well. So was trying to gain info on which skyteam member airline is best for mileage based rewards.
I would ask in the Skyteam forum - there may be better insights there.
Jul 13, 2017, 10:28 pm
#2048
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: NYC/LAX
Programs: Delta PM
Posts: 390
flying ORD-DTW-NRT-SIN and vv same day turnaround in mid-october (getting off at DTW on the return). $676 (but using pay with miles to make it 376. time to find out the best way to get to ORD from detroit...
Jul 14, 2017, 6:44 am
#2049
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Uber X is $531-ish.
Amtrak is $37 for a reserved, coach-class seat or $92 for a business-class seat.
DTW to ORD on United, American and Delta ranges from $59 to $65.
That's a brutal, quick-turn in Singapore. I would sleep on the DTW-NRT segment, stay up for NRT-SIN and either sleep at the airport -- there's enough quiet places to sleep for a few hours -- or force myself to stay up and then sleep for SIN-NRT. Alternatively, you could head into Singapore and find a few things to do even at that early hour. I presume some of the crazy architecture remain lighted all night.
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Jul 14, 2017, 7:00 am
#2050
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: ATL
Programs: DL DM, Hyatt LT DM, Wyndham DM, Hertz PC, HH Gold, SPG Gold, Marriott Gold
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The same day turn isn't bad. Did it last year. You'll arrive hungry and head to the 24hr eating area where stuff is still made fresh for you. Plenty to see/do from 12-6am ish.
Jul 14, 2017, 7:49 am
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Jul 14, 2017, 12:35 pm
#2052
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SMF
Programs: DL DM, 2.6 MM
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That's a brutal, quick-turn in Singapore. I would sleep on the DTW-NRT segment, stay up for NRT-SIN and either sleep at the airport -- there's enough quiet places to sleep for a few hours -- or force myself to stay up and then sleep for SIN-NRT. Alternatively, you could head into Singapore and find a few things to do even at that early hour. I presume some of the crazy architecture remain lighted all night
If it is your first time to SIN and you are going in and out, explore the airport, it is very interesting. Read the wiki by Zorak, it will tell you many of the things that can be seen at the airport and in SIN. There are several places you can eat and you can walk between all 3 terminals after the shuttle stops at 2:30 am. They have a movie theater and free wifi, go to the information kiosk and ask for the password and they will give it to you, they also have computers that will give you access to the internet for free and you can check your email. You will only have lounge access, DNATA lounge, if you have business class or priority pass from a credit card. If you had business class on your flight NRT SIN, take that boarding pass and go to the lounge and they will give you access. They have showers and comfortable chairs and a reasonable food selection. The hot food is brought out at 3 am. Remember to go to the transit desk 2 hours before your flight to get your boarding pass for your return trip. In each of the terminals they have beautiful displays of orchids and even have koi swimming at one of the displays and also interesting things to take pix of with your phone. Many of the readers have done this out and back with only the 5-6 hours at the airport. If you are fortunate to do it in J then you can sleep on the plane and if you have SC access you will be able to go to the SC in NRT. If you have any questions after reading this post and the wiki, please let me know and I will try to answer them. Our next trip for any readers is Sep 23 - out IAH DTW NRT SIN and back Sep 23 SIN NRT ATL IAH and again out Nov 29 and back Dec 13. Out thru ATL and back thru DTW. Both are working trips and not pure MR but we did look for most MQM at lowest cost within the time frame that we had to be in SIN for work. If you only need one or two MR to reach your status - this is a reasonable way to do it at a reasonable cost in time and $. Cheers!
If it is your first time to SIN and you are going in and out, explore the airport, it is very interesting. Read the wiki by Zorak, it will tell you many of the things that can be seen at the airport and in SIN. There are several places you can eat and you can walk between all 3 terminals after the shuttle stops at 2:30 am. They have a movie theater and free wifi, go to the information kiosk and ask for the password and they will give it to you, they also have computers that will give you access to the internet for free and you can check your email. You will only have lounge access, DNATA lounge, if you have business class or priority pass from a credit card. If you had business class on your flight NRT SIN, take that boarding pass and go to the lounge and they will give you access. They have showers and comfortable chairs and a reasonable food selection. The hot food is brought out at 3 am. Remember to go to the transit desk 2 hours before your flight to get your boarding pass for your return trip. In each of the terminals they have beautiful displays of orchids and even have koi swimming at one of the displays and also interesting things to take pix of with your phone. Many of the readers have done this out and back with only the 5-6 hours at the airport. If you are fortunate to do it in J then you can sleep on the plane and if you have SC access you will be able to go to the SC in NRT. If you have any questions after reading this post and the wiki, please let me know and I will try to answer them. Our next trip for any readers is Sep 23 - out IAH DTW NRT SIN and back Sep 23 SIN NRT ATL IAH and again out Nov 29 and back Dec 13. Out thru ATL and back thru DTW. Both are working trips and not pure MR but we did look for most MQM at lowest cost within the time frame that we had to be in SIN for work. If you only need one or two MR to reach your status - this is a reasonable way to do it at a reasonable cost in time and $. Cheers!
Jul 16, 2017, 12:59 pm
#2053
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: ATL/DFW
Programs: Delta PM, SPG Platinum, Marriott Titanium, AVIS Preferred Plus
Posts: 388
I just booked PHX-SEA-NRT-SIN - 13 Oct and Return back on 15-Oct; $856
At the time of Booking the ticket it showed MQM of 38000. Now I log in it does not show total MQM. Miles flown shows as N/A for SEA-NRT segment. Where do i get the MQM? Is this a decent deal? 5 Hr Layover in SIN and 1.45 Hrs in NRT.
At the time of Booking the ticket it showed MQM of 38000. Now I log in it does not show total MQM. Miles flown shows as N/A for SEA-NRT segment. Where do i get the MQM? Is this a decent deal? 5 Hr Layover in SIN and 1.45 Hrs in NRT.
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Jul 16, 2017, 1:09 pm
#2054
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Land of Sky Blue Waters
Programs: Delta DM
Posts: 14
I just booked PHX-SEA-NRT-SIN - 13 Oct and Return back on 15-Oct; $856
At the time of Booking the ticket it showed MQM of 38000. Now I log in it does not show total MQM. Miles flown shows as N/A for SEA-NRT segment. Where do i get the MQM? Is this a decent deal? 5 Hr Layover in SIN and 1.45 Hrs in NRT.
At the time of Booking the ticket it showed MQM of 38000. Now I log in it does not show total MQM. Miles flown shows as N/A for SEA-NRT segment. Where do i get the MQM? Is this a decent deal? 5 Hr Layover in SIN and 1.45 Hrs in NRT.
I think the MQM calculator/estimator is off; it was double-counting the intra-asian legs of my LGA-DTW-NRT-MNL itinerary, showing just north of 33k MQM's....When you open up the detail section of that estimated mileage, it breaks down the segments, where you will likely see the duplicate...