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Old Apr 2, 10, 5:23 am   #1
 
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Thumbs up Alitalia: LHR-FCO-LAX-HNL-LAX-JFK-FCO-LHR for $670

Hello my friends, I think this could be good Mileage Run for you. I find on Orbitz Alitalia tarif route:

LHR-FCO-LAX-HNL-ORD-FCO-LHR

LHR-FCO-ATL-HNL-LAX-NYC-FCO-LHR

LHR-ORD-LAX-HNL-LAX-NYC-FCO-LHR

All routes are available for $670. Partners are United, Delta.
A lot of dates at September. For ex: 7-14.9

Sorry for missing information about booking class ;-)
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Old Apr 2, 10, 6:23 am   #2
 
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That's a pretty decent find Vanilla320, thank you.
Around 20K miles for as low as 656USD--about 3.2cpm.

Going to experiment with dates and then get in on this.
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Old Apr 2, 10, 8:16 am   #3
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UA? Really? AZ codeshares with UA? Or is this an Orbitz fare construct?

I can't imagine AZ codesharing with a *A carrier in N. America when they have all of DL's network available... or am i missing something?
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Old Apr 2, 10, 8:35 am   #4
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Sorry for missing information about booking class ;-)
Was this supposed to mean this would book into business class? If it did, it's gone now.
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Old Apr 2, 10, 8:36 am   #5
 
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UA? Really? AZ codeshares with UA? Or is this an Orbitz fare construct?

I can't imagine AZ codesharing with a *A carrier in N. America when they have all of DL's network available... or am i missing something?
It's just an Orb, CT, etc. fare assemblage of ST and *A flights, not code-shares.
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Old Apr 2, 10, 8:52 am   #6
 
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Nice find.

the fare basis is NLAPGB, it has a Saturday night minimum stay, 1 month maximum stay, and no day/time/season restrictions.
From my reading of the routing rules, the TATL segment needs to be on AZ, but the mainland/HNL segment(s) don't have a carrier requirement but MPM applies.
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Old Apr 2, 10, 9:04 am   #7
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From my reading of the routing rules, the TATL segment needs to be on AZ
Coach on AZ TATL (or any airline, for that matter) = Pain.
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Old Apr 2, 10, 9:47 am   #8
 
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It's just an Orb, CT, etc. fare assemblage of ST and *A flights, not code-shares.
Does that mean you could earn *A mileage on those segments, or not because ticketed on AZ paper?
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Old Apr 2, 10, 10:44 am   #9
 
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Does that mean you could earn *A mileage on those segments, or not because ticketed on AZ paper?
The ticketing carrier would not matter for the earning of miles (including status miles). But you would need to verify the booking class (Y, W, T, etc.) on the *A carrier to figure out if 100% miles would be earned.
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Old Apr 2, 10, 11:20 am   #10
 
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The ticketing carrier would not matter for the earning of miles (including status miles). But you would need to verify the booking class (Y, W, T, etc.) on the *A carrier to figure out if 100% miles would be earned.
These are the fare classes I have ssen--
CO: W
US: K
DL: T
AZ: N
AA: O
UA: V

Availability at least April through November.

ITA shows many more routes than seem to be bookable. Anyone see where to book transiting LAX on the return? This produces an all ST booking at $657.
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Old Apr 2, 10, 11:30 am   #11
 
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Someone noted earlier that this is an MPM fare, rather than one with specific routing rules. So the following comment may not be relevant, but just in case...

AZ has notoriously liberal routing rules. You can kind of see it in the European route here - LHR to the US via Italy. It's just something they need to do to compete on these routes.

Well, I have historically found similar situations on the US side. Some of their fares are filed as being applicable from any US gateway. So one time I bought an AZ fare from Newark to London that routed through the AZ gateway in LAX (and then via Italy).

Again, this might not might not apply here (and I haven't tried anything) but it's just something to keep in mind while trying different things.
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I can't get this priced at all... Could someone give me a hint what Multicity Segments you're searching for?
Even if I get a similar trip on AZ stock, it prices out at several grand...
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Old Apr 2, 10, 11:46 am   #13
 
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AZ has notoriously liberal routing rules.
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Such as those wonderful ex-CMB fares in 2007--4 or 5 continents in Bus.!
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Old Apr 2, 10, 11:47 am   #14
 
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I can't get this priced at all... Could someone give me a hint what Multicity Segments you're searching for?
Even if I get a similar trip on AZ stock, it prices out at several grand...
Multi-city not necessary.

Simple RT on CT or Orb. should reveal it.

In ITA you likely need to add connection cities (in proper order).
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Old Apr 2, 10, 11:48 am   #15
 
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Someone noted earlier that this is an MPM fare, rather than one with specific routing rules. So the following comment may not be relevant, but just in case...

AZ has notoriously liberal routing rules. You can kind of see it in the European route here - LHR to the US via Italy. It's just something they need to do to compete on these routes.

Well, I have historically found similar situations on the US side. Some of their fares are filed as being applicable from any US gateway. So one time I bought an AZ fare from Newark to London that routed through the AZ gateway in LAX (and then via Italy).

Again, this might not might not apply here (and I haven't tried anything) but it's just something to keep in mind while trying different things.
Here is the small snip-it from the routing rules I was referring to. The full routing rules are in a very, very long list that gets cut off in KVS, apparently pretty much all US airports, even minor ones, are listed before HNL, and that last part is where MPM applies and there isn't a carrier restriction - do I read this correctly? (the segment between the US Gateway and the intermediate points need to be on DL or AZ codeshares)

ROUTING C002 FROM-TO LON-AP/AZ-ROM-AP/AZ-MIL-MIA/CHI/BOS/
NYC/ATL-DL/AZ-ABE-*MPM*-HNL*
FROM-TO LON-AP/AZ-MIL/ROM-MIA/CHI/BOS/NYC/ATL-
DL/AZ-ABE-*MPM*-HNL*
FROM-TO LON-AP/AZ-MIL-AP/AZ-ROM-MIA/CHI/BOS/
NYC/ATL-DL/AZ-ABE-*MPM*-HNL*
FROM-TO LON-AP/AZ-ROM-AP/AZ-MIL-MIA/CHI/BOS/
NYC/ATL-DL/AZ-ABQ-*MPM*-HNL*
FROM-TO LON-AP/AZ-MIL/ROM-MIA/CHI/BOS/NYC/ATL-
DL/AZ-ABQ-*MPM*-HNL*
FROM-TO LON-AP/AZ-MIL-AP/AZ-ROM-MIA/CHI/BOS/
NYC/ATL-DL/AZ-ABQ-*MPM*-HNL*

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