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Old Jun 27, 08, 6:26 am   #151
 
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Ha, go figure. I just cancelled that card after years, and this is the first month I don't get a bill. I used to spend $1000s per month on both airfares and travel expenses, so I could fly for free between PHX-MKE. No bill this month, so no bill insert I guess. I'm not investing anything in an airline that is pulling back half the fleet, in the hopes that I'll have somewhere to spend the miles. Hopefully they'll pull out of it, but it doesn't look good right now, and I'm always racking up miles on US and others.

In the past, the promo code has worked with any MasterCard booking on the Midwest site, not just with the Midwest branded MasterCard.

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Old Jun 27, 08, 6:49 am   #152
 
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On my way into work this morning WTMJ Radio reported that Midwest is only cutting 1/3 of their fleet. I just wonder if Midwest called the local media and told them to get the story straight and not listen to the union.
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Old Jun 27, 08, 6:57 am   #153
 
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On my way into work this morning WTMJ Radio reported that Midwest is only cutting 1/3 of their fleet. I just wonder if Midwest called the local media and told them to get the story straight and not listen to the union.
Also listened to WTMJ Radio this A.M.; Bloomberg is reporting that Midwest is asking TPG for additional funds.

Maybe we have a lurker in our midst who is heeding some of our advice & using us as unpaid consultants.

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Old Jun 27, 08, 7:04 am   #154
 
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Also listened to WTMJ Radio this A.M.; Bloomberg is reporting that Midwest is asking TPG for additional funds.

Maybe we have a lurker in our midst who is heeding some of our advice & using us as free consultants.
I am sure someone from Midwest watches this board... maybe even Tim Hoeksema himself. It probably is a good way to gage public sentiment IMHO.
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Old Jun 27, 08, 7:06 am   #155
 
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Also listened to WTMJ Radio this A.M.; Bloomberg is reporting that Midwest is asking TPG for additional funds.

How much cash did Midwest have on hand when it was acquired by TPG/NW?
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Old Jun 27, 08, 7:07 am   #156
 
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I don't think Midwest can operate out of two cities (MKE & MCI) with only 20 planes. Midwest is going to have to dump MCI and focus entirely on MKE.
One thing to think about is the exact opposite.... Say XY is bankrupt... asks for more money, scales back MKE... then merges with Delta.... MKE almost couldn't be a hub with a NW/DL merger; MCI could be a mini hub.
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Old Jun 27, 08, 7:43 am   #157
 
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How much cash did Midwest have on hand when it was acquired by TPG/NW?
I believe it was 170 million with 150 million being unrestricted cash. I remember reading it in the financials that was mailed to me in 2007. I could be a little off on the amounts.
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Old Jun 27, 08, 7:44 am   #158
 
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KC 1.9 million
Milwaukee 1.5 million
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Old Jun 27, 08, 7:47 am   #159
 
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One thing to think about is the exact opposite.... Say XY is bankrupt... asks for more money, scales back MKE... then merges with Delta.... MKE almost couldn't be a hub with a NW/DL merger; MCI could be a mini hub.
Merge Midwest with Delta and call it Delta Midwest.
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Old Jun 27, 08, 8:08 am   #160
 
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I am sure someone from Midwest watches this board... maybe even Tim Hoeksema himself. It probably is a good way to gage public sentiment IMHO.
I would think Tim has better things to do with his spare time, especially in these troubled times.
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Old Jun 27, 08, 8:17 am   #161
 
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Even with better utilizing the planes, MCI to west coast is still long trips with turn arounds. Also, I thought when Midwest got there 25 717's they had options to get 25 more, what happened with that? And how is an airline going to survive long term with dropping 46 % of their fleets. Midwest might make it for a little while longer as just a Milwaukee airline, but it just doesn't seem logical they can try to spread 20 planes over two cities. KC has a larger population base than Milwaukee, but it's up against Southwest which has, what, about 80 flights a day on 737's.
There is currently a lot of slack in the 717 schedule right now, plus Midwest has only 22 of those planes in scheduled service as is. Midwest can cover most of the existing schedule, with the exception of MKE-LAX, without drastic cuts. I'm guessing we'll be seeing a lot less frequency (or perhaps a complete pull-out) to places such as LAS, MCO, and FLL. The core business markets will pretty much be unaffected. Midwest could always have a surprise for us as well, given some of the language used in the recent employee communication regarding the examination of different fleet options.

As for Midwest and MCI, they actually compete very well against Southwest. In every market except FLL, Midwest generates a fair premium, which often is quite substantial.
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Old Jun 27, 08, 8:55 am   #162
 
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As for Midwest and MCI, they actually compete very well against Southwest. In every market except FLL, Midwest generates a fair premium, which often is quite substantial.
Maybe on an averaged basis, but not all the time. When I booked DCA-MCI recently, YX was substantially less than BWI-MCI on WN. YX flights were full.

WN is not always the lowest between city pairs.
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Old Jun 27, 08, 9:12 am   #163
 
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Metropolitan Statistical Area 2007
KC 1,985,249 million
Milwaukee 1,544,398 million

Combined Statistical Area 2007
KC 2,053,928 million
Milwaukee 1,739,497 million

MCI passenger traffic 2007 11.3 million
MKE passenger traffic 2007 7.7 million
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Old Jun 27, 08, 9:12 am   #164
 
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Maybe on an averaged basis, but not all the time. When I booked DCA-MCI recently, YX was substantially less than BWI-MCI on WN. YX flights were full.

WN is not always the lowest between city pairs.
Very true. The fare premium Midwest receives against Southwest in MCI is on an average basis.

It often amazes me how people automatically assume Southwest is the cheapest carrier in the markets they serve. That is often not the case.
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Old Jun 27, 08, 9:19 am   #165
 
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Maybe on an averaged basis, but not all the time. When I booked DCA-MCI recently, YX was substantially less than BWI-MCI on WN. YX flights were full.

WN is not always the lowest between city pairs.
I have found Midwest to be extremely competitive on advance purchase fares over the last year or two, but significantly higher on last-minute bookings, which usually price out at refundable fares. Unfortunately, this means that the business traveler is paying the premium. It could be that the only seats remaining at the time of a late booking are the C or Y fares.

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