Is YX a virtual airline?
Oct 15, 2009, 2:11 pm
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Oct 15, 2009, 6:27 pm
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As Reichart mentioned in the article, Republic will take control of the YX code (release their RW code) and also take control of Midwest's 453 ticket stock. It would seem that Republic is becoming Midwest.
The whole thing is kinda tricky, Midwest's certificate is gone but their airline code, name and ticket stock remain but the flights are operated by Republic.
The whole thing is kinda tricky, Midwest's certificate is gone but their airline code, name and ticket stock remain but the flights are operated by Republic.
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Oct 16, 2009, 11:49 am
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It may not matter to the uninformed traveler, however, it should matter to the business community and local politicians. DEN tied their proposed economic offer to an increase in jobs. DEN obviously sees through RJET's scheme of taking, but not necessarily delivering value back to the community. On the other hand, the MMAC blindly is still buying everything RJET is dishing out.
Oct 16, 2009, 12:43 pm
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It may not matter to the uninformed traveler, however, it should matter to the business community and local politicians. DEN tied their proposed economic offer to an increase in jobs. DEN obviously sees through RJET's scheme of taking, but not necessarily delivering value back to the community. On the other hand, the MMAC blindly is still buying everything RJET is dishing out.
On the other hand, you can't blame the MMAC for supporting a business that still employs a fair number of people. And a lot of the MMAC's members still rely on Midwest for business travel.
It should also be pointed out that, other than Milwaukee County's efforts to help Midwest avoid bankruptcy several years ago, no government handouts have been given to Republic in Milwaukee.
Oct 16, 2009, 1:55 pm
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I can see your point on this. The MMAC does semm to be somewhat blindy following Republic, and does not appear to be as involved in AirTran or other carriers. People in Wisconsin are sometimes loyal to a fault when it comes to supporting local businesses.
On the other hand, you can't blame the MMAC for supporting a business that still employs a fair number of people. And a lot of the MMAC's members still rely on Midwest for business travel.
It should also be pointed out that, other than Milwaukee County's efforts to help Midwest avoid bankruptcy several years ago, no government handouts have been given to Republic in Milwaukee.
On the other hand, you can't blame the MMAC for supporting a business that still employs a fair number of people. And a lot of the MMAC's members still rely on Midwest for business travel.
It should also be pointed out that, other than Milwaukee County's efforts to help Midwest avoid bankruptcy several years ago, no government handouts have been given to Republic in Milwaukee.
"If it's going to go anywhere it's going to go to Indianapolis," Boyd recently told the Indianapolis Star."
AirTran and soon Southwest will employee a fair number of Milwaukee area residents, possibly larger than the number RJET will employ here. Equal opportunity should be given to AirTran and Southwest. The MMAC should not be so influenced by one airline. Do the MMAC members fly other airlines as well? Didn't the MMAC and Milwaukee County try to solicit the other airlines to come to Milwaukee when they thought Midwest would go bankrupt? Midwest is no longer a hometown airline in any sense. It is a virtual airline. Now the MMAC is playing favorites.
Oct 16, 2009, 2:07 pm
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As noted by the Small Business Times in an interview with aviation consultant, Mr. Boyd - "Boyd said Milwaukee's chances of landing those jobs are slim because Republic is headquartered in Indianapolis and it has significantly scaled back its business operations in Milwaukee.
"If it's going to go anywhere it's going to go to Indianapolis," Boyd recently told the Indianapolis Star."
"If it's going to go anywhere it's going to go to Indianapolis," Boyd recently told the Indianapolis Star."
Yes, Boyd did say that. But I think he may have forgotten that the YX hangar at MKE is in the running to see increased maintenance work, as it has been speculated that it is the frontrunner to handle F9 maintenance. Right now, it is my understanding that F9 leases space at DEN from CO. Republic might be moving that to Milwaukee, where it already owns a maintenance hangar.
Oct 16, 2009, 4:11 pm
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AirTran and soon Southwest will employee a fair number of Milwaukee area residents, possibly larger than the number RJET will employ here. Equal opportunity should be given to AirTran and Southwest. The MMAC should not be so influenced by one airline. Do the MMAC members fly other airlines as well? Didn't the MMAC and Milwaukee County try to solicit the other airlines to come to Milwaukee when they thought Midwest would go bankrupt? Midwest is no longer a hometown airline in any sense. It is a virtual airline. Now the MMAC is playing favorites.
That's absurd. The MMAC is not playing favorites at all. They want jobs in Milwaukee. It's as simple as that.
Even if you combine the the number of employees that AirTran and Southwest have in MKE, it wouldn't come close to matching what Republic will be retaining in Milwaukee. Regardless, if AirTran and/or Southwest wanted to undertake a major expansion that would create hundreds of new jobs, the MMAC would definately be involved in putting together a set of incentives for either carrier.
Frankly, groups like the MMAC and Wisconsin in general have done a very poor job in retaining and/or recruiting companies to the state. It's about time that they step up to the plate and start competing with some of these other states.
Oct 16, 2009, 4:16 pm
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Republic now owns a state-of-the-art, barely used maintenance facility in MKE.
Does it make more sense financially/operationally to perform this type of work in MKE or IND (where Republic also has a maintenance base)?
Oct 16, 2009, 11:01 pm
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Yes we have a large MX facility in CMH. We also have them in every base and most hubs that we fly to. CMH, PIT and IND are our heavy MX cities
Oct 17, 2009, 6:39 am
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Boyd has shown himself to be a buffoon repeatedly over the years. He's far more concerned with getting snarky sound bites out to the media than concerning himself with facts. As such, he's got to have a strong and sexy opinion on everything when the phone rings, regardless of his background knowledge. His opinions are shoot first, don't even both with questions later.
This is a fine example.
Boyd dismisses out of hand the possibility that anything could come to MKE based on the simple statement that Midwest no longer exists - cased closed. He pretty much decided that Midwest was dead years ago, and that has pretty much colored his sound-bite-statements on every Midwest-related question since.
His mind is made up, but he doesn't care to consider factors like these:
--Republic now has major facilities in Milwaukee which are pretty much unused now that the 717's are departing.
--Sending jobs to Milwaukee could be a shot in the arm for the position of the Republic subsidiary Midwest in their main market. There's no such boost from moving the jobs to Indianapolis because there is no "Republic" brand in IND to receive that boost.
--Republic has shown something of a "cost above all else" focus, and although they have stated they're not trying to get into a bidding war, they are clearly looking to see what kind of deal DEN, MKE and IND will give them.
None of this is an assurance that the work will come to MKE. Of course not. But all three of those are clearly reasons that suggest MKE is not to be dmissed out of hand.
This is a fine example.
Boyd dismisses out of hand the possibility that anything could come to MKE based on the simple statement that Midwest no longer exists - cased closed. He pretty much decided that Midwest was dead years ago, and that has pretty much colored his sound-bite-statements on every Midwest-related question since.
His mind is made up, but he doesn't care to consider factors like these:
--Republic now has major facilities in Milwaukee which are pretty much unused now that the 717's are departing.
--Sending jobs to Milwaukee could be a shot in the arm for the position of the Republic subsidiary Midwest in their main market. There's no such boost from moving the jobs to Indianapolis because there is no "Republic" brand in IND to receive that boost.
--Republic has shown something of a "cost above all else" focus, and although they have stated they're not trying to get into a bidding war, they are clearly looking to see what kind of deal DEN, MKE and IND will give them.
None of this is an assurance that the work will come to MKE. Of course not. But all three of those are clearly reasons that suggest MKE is not to be dmissed out of hand.
Oct 17, 2009, 9:02 am
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As cwe84 mentioned, Republic does have a heavy maintenance facility in Columbus.
Besides the obvious financial impact, part of the decision surrounding where the Frontier jobs end-up may have to do with the ability to rotate aircraft in-and-out of the airport. Frontier has no service to either PIT or CMH. Midwest does, but neither route requires the frequency/capacity of an E190 or Airbus on a regular basis. Of course, both cities could be added from DEN but would hardly make sense if the only reason was to have aircraft serviced. Looking at it from this standpoint, MKE and IND make the most sense.
If you believe what has been reported in the media, Indiana has apparently but together a comprehensive package of economic incentives to lure all of those jobs to the state. Indiana has been very aggressive in encouraging businesses to either relocate or expand in the state and has had some pretty notable successes in recent years. Plus, they can afford to dish out money as Indiana is one of the few states currently operating in the black.
Milwaukee definately has a number of advantages to offer Republic, but I certainly wouldn't say they are the front-runner.
Besides the obvious financial impact, part of the decision surrounding where the Frontier jobs end-up may have to do with the ability to rotate aircraft in-and-out of the airport. Frontier has no service to either PIT or CMH. Midwest does, but neither route requires the frequency/capacity of an E190 or Airbus on a regular basis. Of course, both cities could be added from DEN but would hardly make sense if the only reason was to have aircraft serviced. Looking at it from this standpoint, MKE and IND make the most sense.
If you believe what has been reported in the media, Indiana has apparently but together a comprehensive package of economic incentives to lure all of those jobs to the state. Indiana has been very aggressive in encouraging businesses to either relocate or expand in the state and has had some pretty notable successes in recent years. Plus, they can afford to dish out money as Indiana is one of the few states currently operating in the black.
Milwaukee definately has a number of advantages to offer Republic, but I certainly wouldn't say they are the front-runner.
Oct 17, 2009, 10:29 am
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As cwe84 mentioned, Republic does have a heavy maintenance facility in Columbus.
Besides the obvious financial impact, part of the decision surrounding where the Frontier jobs end-up may have to do with the ability to rotate aircraft in-and-out of the airport. Frontier has no service to either PIT or CMH. Midwest does, but neither route requires the frequency/capacity of an E190 or Airbus on a regular basis. Of course, both cities could be added from DEN but would hardly make sense if the only reason was to have aircraft serviced. Looking at it from this standpoint, MKE and IND make the most sense.
If you believe what has been reported in the media, Indiana has apparently but together a comprehensive package of economic incentives to lure all of those jobs to the state. Indiana has been very aggressive in encouraging businesses to either relocate or expand in the state and has had some pretty notable successes in recent years. Plus, they can afford to dish out money as Indiana is one of the few states currently operating in the black.
Milwaukee definately has a number of advantages to offer Republic, but I certainly wouldn't say they are the front-runner.
Besides the obvious financial impact, part of the decision surrounding where the Frontier jobs end-up may have to do with the ability to rotate aircraft in-and-out of the airport. Frontier has no service to either PIT or CMH. Midwest does, but neither route requires the frequency/capacity of an E190 or Airbus on a regular basis. Of course, both cities could be added from DEN but would hardly make sense if the only reason was to have aircraft serviced. Looking at it from this standpoint, MKE and IND make the most sense.
If you believe what has been reported in the media, Indiana has apparently but together a comprehensive package of economic incentives to lure all of those jobs to the state. Indiana has been very aggressive in encouraging businesses to either relocate or expand in the state and has had some pretty notable successes in recent years. Plus, they can afford to dish out money as Indiana is one of the few states currently operating in the black.
Milwaukee definately has a number of advantages to offer Republic, but I certainly wouldn't say they are the front-runner.
Oct 17, 2009, 11:47 am
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Boyd has shown himself to be a buffoon repeatedly over the years. He's far more concerned with getting snarky sound bites out to the media than concerning himself with facts. As such, he's got to have a strong and sexy opinion on everything when the phone rings, regardless of his background knowledge. His opinions are shoot first, don't even both with questions later.
IMO it does not matter about the existing maintenance facility in MKE, community good-will does not matter, whichever city coughs up the most government subsidy money and incentives will get the jobs.