Go Back  FlyerTalk Forums > Destinations > Middle East including Egypt > Middle East
Reload this Page >

Egypt's visa on arrival may not be applicable to individual tourists

Community
Wiki Posts
Search

Egypt's visa on arrival may not be applicable to individual tourists

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 19, 2015, 3:33 am
  #1  
Suspended
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Watchlisted by the prejudiced, en route to purgatory
Programs: Just Say No to Fleecing and Blacklisting
Posts: 102,095
Egypt's visa on arrival may not be applicable to individual tourists

Egypt is instituting a broader visa requirement that means more of us will need to submit our passport to an Egyptian embassy/consulate in advance of visiting Egypt as a tourist.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/03...as-in-advance/

So much for wanting to encourage more tourism.
GUWonder is offline  
Old Mar 19, 2015, 6:47 am
  #2  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: London
Programs: Hilton, IHG - BA, GA, LH, QR, SV, TK
Posts: 17,008
Originally Posted by GUWonder
Egypt is instituting a broader visa requirement that means more of us will need to submit our passport to an Egyptian embassy/consulate in advance of visiting Egypt as a tourist.

So much for wanting to encourage more tourism.
Sad - especially as only a couple of weeks ago Cairo hosted a conference addressing Developments and Challenges in the Hospitality & Tourism Industry.

You can believe the tourist institutions will be fighting hard against this. But I'm not sure how successful they can be, because on the other side are the security authorities worried on two fronts:
  • inflitration by terrorists, and
  • visits by journalists and activists who get up the government's nose by criticising its approach to protecting human rights.

Around a quarter of visitors to Egypt currently travel independently. The proportion arriving at Cairo is much higher. I reckon that's something over two million visitors who will now have to go through the faff and expense of applying for visas through Egypt's consulates. And it's hard to see the consulates tackling the increased demand without upping the fees.
IAN-UK is offline  
Old Mar 19, 2015, 6:55 am
  #3  
Suspended
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Watchlisted by the prejudiced, en route to purgatory
Programs: Just Say No to Fleecing and Blacklisting
Posts: 102,095
Originally Posted by IAN-UK
Sad - especially as only a couple of weeks ago Cairo hosted a conference addressing Developments and Challenges in the Hospitality & Tourism Industry.

You can believe the tourist institutions will be fighting hard against this. But I'm not sure how successful they can be, because on the other side are the security authorities worried on two fronts:
  • inflitration by terrorists, and
  • visits by journalists and activists who get up the government's nose by criticising its approach to protecting human rights.

Around a quarter of visitors to Egypt currently travel independently. The proportion arriving at Cairo is much higher. I reckon that's something over two million visitors who will now have to go through the faff and expense of applying for visas through Egypt's consulates. And it's hard to see the consulates tackling the increased demand without upping the fees.
In security states, the securocrats generally have the upper hand over the commercial interests.

The reasons for this visa requirement change are because of the militarized Egyptian government's concerns about terrorists and about journalists and activists monitoring and criticizing the Egyptian government's human rights-violating record.

When it comes to the military players who have the ownership relationships/interests as or with the Egyptian tourism market players, they have way more money at stake with charter tourist destinations' properties than the other destinations' properties. Thus, I'm not surprised they gave the charter tourist visitors a continuation of past practice. For the military complex -- inclusive of security industrial complex retirees -- this is their version of a balancing act, as they eat up a larger part of the charter tourist pie than of the independent tourist pie.

Last edited by GUWonder; Mar 19, 2015 at 7:05 am
GUWonder is offline  
Old Mar 20, 2015, 2:58 am
  #4  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Four Seasons Contributor BadgeMandarin Oriental Contributor Badge
 
Join Date: Feb 1999
Location: Seat 1A, Juice pretty much everywhere, Mucci des Coins Exotiques
Posts: 34,339
I guess BA will stop flying a 747 to CAI then?
stimpy is offline  
Old Mar 20, 2015, 1:03 pm
  #5  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: London
Programs: Hilton, IHG - BA, GA, LH, QR, SV, TK
Posts: 17,008
Originally Posted by stimpy
I guess BA will stop flying a 747 to CAI then?
AFAIK it's currently a B767, going down to A321 in April
IAN-UK is offline  
Old Mar 20, 2015, 3:59 pm
  #6  
Suspended
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Watchlisted by the prejudiced, en route to purgatory
Programs: Just Say No to Fleecing and Blacklisting
Posts: 102,095
Originally Posted by IAN-UK
AFAIK it's currently a B767, going down to A321 in April
Wasn't that change of gauge in the work even before this visa policy change?

Don't some of the charter tour groups sometimes still use space on scheduled common carrier flights, including some BA planes?

I've been on some BA flights and SK flights where the majority of passengers seemed to be part of organized tour groups.
GUWonder is offline  
Old Mar 21, 2015, 2:51 am
  #7  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: London
Programs: Hilton, IHG - BA, GA, LH, QR, SV, TK
Posts: 17,008
Originally Posted by GUWonder
Wasn't that change of gauge in the work even before this visa policy change?

Don't some of the charter tour groups sometimes still use space on scheduled common carrier flights, including some BA planes?

I've been on some BA flights and SK flights where the majority of passengers seemed to be part of organized tour groups.
Yes - the down-sizing has nothing to do with the visa business. BA clearly has better use for its larger aircraft. The airline has messed around quite horribly with the Cairo route - schedules, equipment and the LHR terminal have been in the mix. Only the terminal shift (to T5) is positive.

Sure, many tour operators buy seats on scheduled flights. Indeed, any of them offering "city breaks" to Cairo will be (more or less) forced to do this.

I'd expect BA's Sharm flight will be attractive to the more upmarket tour operators, not least because of the brand and the flexibility its schedule will offer.
IAN-UK is offline  
Old Mar 21, 2015, 10:37 pm
  #8  
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 306
Egypt's visa on arrival may not be applicable to individual tourists

Why Egypt isn't using some sort of electronic visa or travel authority instead of having to send or take your passport into an embassy or consulate to obtain permission is beyond me.
industry_killer is offline  
Old Mar 21, 2015, 11:07 pm
  #9  
Marriott Contributor Badge
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Canada
Programs: AC E50k, A3*G, UA*S, MR Titanium, HHonors Gold, Carlson Gold, NEXUS
Posts: 3,669
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (BB10; Touch) AppleWebKit/537.35+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/10.2.1.3442 Mobile Safari/537.35+)

So does this affect all non-organised tourists, or just "groups" of less than two people (i.e. solo travelers)?
pewpew is offline  
Old Mar 24, 2015, 12:12 pm
  #10  
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: LAX
Programs: UA/AA
Posts: 1,741
VISA requirements from the Egyptian Embassy in Washington, DC.

http://www.egyptembassy.net/consular...-requirements/

For an American tourist the rates have fallen from $25 to $15.
jaymar01 is offline  
Old Mar 24, 2015, 12:26 pm
  #11  
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Austin, TX -- AA Life Platinum; QF Life Silver; UA Silver
Posts: 5,462
no more visa on arrival in Egypt...

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Mid...-visitors.ashx

Looks like Egypt will no longer offer visa on arrival for tourists... as if their tourism industry wasn't hurting enough.
hauteboy is offline  
Old Mar 24, 2015, 2:16 pm
  #12  
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 306
no more visa on arrival in Egypt...

Already posted in the Middle East forum.
industry_killer is offline  
Old Mar 25, 2015, 9:32 pm
  #13  
Moderator: American AAdvantage
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: NorCal - SMF area
Programs: AA LT Plat; HH LT Diamond, Maître-plongeur des Muccis
Posts: 62,948
Sounds like the fuse went out again . More tourists, higher difficulty with visa are inversely proportional.
JDiver is offline  
Old Mar 28, 2015, 1:50 am
  #14  
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Programs: MUCCI
Posts: 245
The government of the day did this in 2011. It was rescinded after a few weeks, when they realised the logistical nightmare it created. Does anyone think that Egyptian consular and visa sections are in any way organised to handle an additional 2.5 million applications in the currently stated delay of 2 to 5 working days - or even at all?
mtdd is offline  
Old Mar 28, 2015, 3:37 pm
  #15  
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Cairo, Egypt
Programs: Qatar Plat
Posts: 235
Rumor has it there may be amendments, guess we will see come May.
Canuck2012 is offline  


Contact Us - Manage Preferences - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.