Ritz-Carlton and EDITION hotels being added to Marriott Rewards
Sep 15, 2010, 11:27 am
#61
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It sounds like RC plat and Marriott plat are the same thing. Either one will get 1000 points checking into a RC, 500 points checking into a FS/Ren, 200 points at the limited service properties.
Sep 15, 2010, 12:26 pm
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Sep 15, 2010, 12:44 pm
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Sep 15, 2010, 2:32 pm
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I think the VickiSoCal is referencing LT status. The questions are:
1. Does changing from one program to the other "reset" any or all of your lifetime achievements (number of years in program, lifetime points, lifetime nights).
2. If someone currently holds a lifetime status (i.e. LT Plat), if they switch to the RC program, will they still retain LT status there? If not, how long does their current status last? And if they switch back to Marriott's program, will they again get their LT status or have to start over?
1. Does changing from one program to the other "reset" any or all of your lifetime achievements (number of years in program, lifetime points, lifetime nights).
2. If someone currently holds a lifetime status (i.e. LT Plat), if they switch to the RC program, will they still retain LT status there? If not, how long does their current status last? And if they switch back to Marriott's program, will they again get their LT status or have to start over?
Sep 15, 2010, 3:36 pm
#65
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I created tables showing the change in points under the new system compared to the old reward chart for Ritz-Carlton stays.
http://boardingarea.com/blogs/loyaltytraveler/?p=5549
http://boardingarea.com/blogs/loyaltytraveler/?p=5549
Sep 15, 2010, 3:48 pm
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Great move by Marriott!! ^
I'll be interested to see if there's some form of breakfast offered at RC. I sort of expected that Club access would not be guaranteed as many of those lounges have full food spreads all day long, but I'm wondering if some sort of continental breakfast credit in the restaurant will be included for Plats/Golds...
In any case, the ability to earn points is a very nice addition. Just a couple of hours ago I was looking up the RC award chart and recalling how St. Regis is so much more integrated into SPG than Ritz is to MR. Now this at least moves Ritz a step closer to that kind of integration.
Is there any reason a longtime Marriott Plat would want to switch to RCR from MR? I do business and leisure stays across the entire Marriott brand spectrum but certainly enjoy the occasional leisure stay at Ritz!
I'll be interested to see if there's some form of breakfast offered at RC. I sort of expected that Club access would not be guaranteed as many of those lounges have full food spreads all day long, but I'm wondering if some sort of continental breakfast credit in the restaurant will be included for Plats/Golds...
In any case, the ability to earn points is a very nice addition. Just a couple of hours ago I was looking up the RC award chart and recalling how St. Regis is so much more integrated into SPG than Ritz is to MR. Now this at least moves Ritz a step closer to that kind of integration.
Is there any reason a longtime Marriott Plat would want to switch to RCR from MR? I do business and leisure stays across the entire Marriott brand spectrum but certainly enjoy the occasional leisure stay at Ritz!
Sep 15, 2010, 4:26 pm
#67
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I created tables showing the change in points under the new system compared to the old reward chart for Ritz-Carlton stays.
http://boardingarea.com/blogs/loyaltytraveler/?p=5549
http://boardingarea.com/blogs/loyaltytraveler/?p=5549
Sep 15, 2010, 4:43 pm
#68
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Sep 15, 2010, 7:11 pm
#69
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New opportunities to earn and new opportunities to redeem Marriott Rewards points.
Too bad Marriott Rewards made another devaluation of points without giving members a chance to redeem for Ritz Carlton reward stays before changes.
A 7-night NY Central Park stay went from 250,000 points yeaterday to 420,000 points today. That is a 68% increase.
Ritz Carlton Orlando Grande Lakes was a Tier 1 Marriott Rewards partner hotel reward yesterday for 45,000 points per night. The good news is this hotel is now a Tier 2 hotel at just 40,000 points per night. This is 5,000 points per night less than before.
However, a 5-night stay is now 160,000 points for this hotel when it was 150,000 points before.
A 7-night stay is now 240,000 points when it was 175,000 point before. So while the cost for one night is actually 5,000 points less and the cost for 5 nights is only 10,000 points more, the real hurt is the cost for 7 nights that is now 65,000 points more than yesterday's rate. A 37% increase.
Tier 1 hotels from yesterday that remain tier 1 hotels today in the new Ritz-Carlton reward chart are a better deal at 30,000 points per night. This is a 33% reduction for one night.
A 5-night stay is now only 120,000 points compared to 150,000 yesterday. 20% decrease in points. 7-night stays are 180,000 points and that is 5,000 points more than the 175,000 points needed yesterday for a 7-night stay.
A tier 4 hotel like Bachelor Gulch Colorado is now 60,000 points for one night. This is a decrease from 70,000 points yesterday under the old rewards table. But a five night reward now costs 240,000 points compared to 200,000 points yesterday. A 20% increase.
And 7-nights at Bachelor Gulch is now 360,000 points rather than 250,000 points. A 44% increase.
One night stays are actually a better deal in this new tier system for Ritz-Carlton Rewards. The multi-night discount takes a hit though with the changes.
I called the Ritz-Carlton multi-night rewards the best extended stay hotel loyalty reward available in my InsideFlyer April 2010 hotel loyalty programs review.
Ritz-Carlton rewards progressive discount was too good to last.
Too bad Marriott Rewards made another devaluation of points without giving members a chance to redeem for Ritz Carlton reward stays before changes.
A 7-night NY Central Park stay went from 250,000 points yeaterday to 420,000 points today. That is a 68% increase.
Ritz Carlton Orlando Grande Lakes was a Tier 1 Marriott Rewards partner hotel reward yesterday for 45,000 points per night. The good news is this hotel is now a Tier 2 hotel at just 40,000 points per night. This is 5,000 points per night less than before.
However, a 5-night stay is now 160,000 points for this hotel when it was 150,000 points before.
A 7-night stay is now 240,000 points when it was 175,000 point before. So while the cost for one night is actually 5,000 points less and the cost for 5 nights is only 10,000 points more, the real hurt is the cost for 7 nights that is now 65,000 points more than yesterday's rate. A 37% increase.
Tier 1 hotels from yesterday that remain tier 1 hotels today in the new Ritz-Carlton reward chart are a better deal at 30,000 points per night. This is a 33% reduction for one night.
A 5-night stay is now only 120,000 points compared to 150,000 yesterday. 20% decrease in points. 7-night stays are 180,000 points and that is 5,000 points more than the 175,000 points needed yesterday for a 7-night stay.
A tier 4 hotel like Bachelor Gulch Colorado is now 60,000 points for one night. This is a decrease from 70,000 points yesterday under the old rewards table. But a five night reward now costs 240,000 points compared to 200,000 points yesterday. A 20% increase.
And 7-nights at Bachelor Gulch is now 360,000 points rather than 250,000 points. A 44% increase.
One night stays are actually a better deal in this new tier system for Ritz-Carlton Rewards. The multi-night discount takes a hit though with the changes.
I called the Ritz-Carlton multi-night rewards the best extended stay hotel loyalty reward available in my InsideFlyer April 2010 hotel loyalty programs review.
Ritz-Carlton rewards progressive discount was too good to last.
Marriott Concierge - can you comment on this?
Sep 15, 2010, 8:30 pm
#70
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I received an email offer to enroll in Ritz-Carlton Rewards and automatically receive Gold Elite status through 12/31/11.
Could it be an Amex Centurion offer (it doesn't mention that) or is everyone receiving this offer?
Could it be an Amex Centurion offer (it doesn't mention that) or is everyone receiving this offer?
Sep 16, 2010, 10:34 am
#71
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I had a reservation for Ritz Palm Beach in November, so called to ask about the new program.
Basically the guy said only difference between MR and Ritz program is the card you carry and the look and nature of emails received so he said unless majority of time is ritz, no need to swap over. Basically emails will have a ritz look and feel instead of marriott, and emails will be more luxury and special vacations options instead of marriotts emails.
Benefits are the same as far as earning and burining points, and just like each marriott brand has slightly different arrangements for recognition, so does Ritz. Like Ritz gives free internet workldwide, marriott hotels only some international hotels. Ritz gives 1000 arrival bonus, marriott 500 or an amenity. marriott guarantees bed type, ritz can not guarantee bed type.
Basically the guy said only difference between MR and Ritz program is the card you carry and the look and nature of emails received so he said unless majority of time is ritz, no need to swap over. Basically emails will have a ritz look and feel instead of marriott, and emails will be more luxury and special vacations options instead of marriotts emails.
Benefits are the same as far as earning and burining points, and just like each marriott brand has slightly different arrangements for recognition, so does Ritz. Like Ritz gives free internet workldwide, marriott hotels only some international hotels. Ritz gives 1000 arrival bonus, marriott 500 or an amenity. marriott guarantees bed type, ritz can not guarantee bed type.
Sep 16, 2010, 11:31 am
#72
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I think the VickiSoCal is referencing LT status. The questions are:
1. Does changing from one program to the other "reset" any or all of your lifetime achievements (number of years in program, lifetime points, lifetime nights).
2. If someone currently holds a lifetime status (i.e. LT Plat), if they switch to the RC program, will they still retain LT status there? If not, how long does their current status last? And if they switch back to Marriott's program, will they again get their LT status or have to start over?
1. Does changing from one program to the other "reset" any or all of your lifetime achievements (number of years in program, lifetime points, lifetime nights).
2. If someone currently holds a lifetime status (i.e. LT Plat), if they switch to the RC program, will they still retain LT status there? If not, how long does their current status last? And if they switch back to Marriott's program, will they again get their LT status or have to start over?
2) see #1 - as mentioned by CBECHDEL it's a very very close cousin to the MR program....your status will remain
Sep 16, 2010, 12:10 pm
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Still awaiting answers/comments from MC with respect to the following:
A couple of questions come to mind with respect to the new program:
1). If you switch to RR, do you forego MR points from your MR credit card while you are a RR member?
2). If you switch to RR, and you currently have a MR Mega Bonus promotion, does it then cease to exist while a RR member?
I think this might acutally occur and have no idea what would then happen if one were to switch back to MR before the end of the MB promotion.
Does switching back to MR revive the MB promotion and whatever stays you may have made while a MR member prior to switching to RR are then re-activated/counted for the MB promotion?
Do the stays that you might have made while a RR member then count towards the MB promotion if you were to return to MR?
3). Currently, there is an incentive to switch to RR because of the free night promotion for new RR members, but if one will no longer earn points from their MR credit card if one is an enrolled RR member, one might think twice about doing this.
A couple of questions come to mind with respect to the new program:
1). If you switch to RR, do you forego MR points from your MR credit card while you are a RR member?
2). If you switch to RR, and you currently have a MR Mega Bonus promotion, does it then cease to exist while a RR member?
I think this might acutally occur and have no idea what would then happen if one were to switch back to MR before the end of the MB promotion.
Does switching back to MR revive the MB promotion and whatever stays you may have made while a MR member prior to switching to RR are then re-activated/counted for the MB promotion?
Do the stays that you might have made while a RR member then count towards the MB promotion if you were to return to MR?
3). Currently, there is an incentive to switch to RR because of the free night promotion for new RR members, but if one will no longer earn points from their MR credit card if one is an enrolled RR member, one might think twice about doing this.
Sep 16, 2010, 12:13 pm
#74
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This does not appear to be true. That promo seems to be for new members only, who have not been marriott rewards members in the past.
Sep 16, 2010, 12:48 pm
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I simply love posters who do not read earlier posts on the subject and who then advise others what may or may not be correct and additionally, import their own language into the terms and conditions of a given promotion.
RECEIVE A COMPLIMENTARY NIGHT AT A TIER 1-3 HOTEL*
Join The Ritz-Carlton Rewards, complete two paid stays by December 31, 2010 and enjoy a complimentary night at a Tier 1-3 hotel.
Be among the first to experience The Ritz-Carlton Rewards, a new program designed to provide more of what you love. As you accumulate memories with each stay at The Ritz-Carlton, you'll also accumulate rewards. Enjoy a variety of exclusive member benefits and access to special events as you accrue either points or airline miles.
Enroll now
* Offer requires that enrollee is a new member to The Ritz-Carlton Rewards and not a current member of the Marriott Rewards. One complimentary night certificate will be awarded for each completion of two paid stays by December 31, 2010, up to a maximum of two certificates. Certificates expire one year from date of issuance and other restrictions apply. Stays may not be concurrent or consecutive. Offer is non-transferable, subject to availability, does not apply to groups, and cannot be combined with any other offer. The Ritz-Carlton Rewards terms and conditions apply.
Join The Ritz-Carlton Rewards, complete two paid stays by December 31, 2010 and enjoy a complimentary night at a Tier 1-3 hotel.
Be among the first to experience The Ritz-Carlton Rewards, a new program designed to provide more of what you love. As you accumulate memories with each stay at The Ritz-Carlton, you'll also accumulate rewards. Enjoy a variety of exclusive member benefits and access to special events as you accrue either points or airline miles.
Enroll now
* Offer requires that enrollee is a new member to The Ritz-Carlton Rewards and not a current member of the Marriott Rewards. One complimentary night certificate will be awarded for each completion of two paid stays by December 31, 2010, up to a maximum of two certificates. Certificates expire one year from date of issuance and other restrictions apply. Stays may not be concurrent or consecutive. Offer is non-transferable, subject to availability, does not apply to groups, and cannot be combined with any other offer. The Ritz-Carlton Rewards terms and conditions apply.
All that it states is that one cannot currently be both a MR member and a RR member.
That is easily accomplished because as has been mentioned by myself and the MC before, one cannot be both a MR member and a RR member at the same time -- they are mutually exclusive.
Therefore, if you are a new RR member, you cannot simultaneously be a MR member, and thus you are eligible for the promotion that is open to all new RR members, of which anyone who becomes a RR member most certainly is.
Furthermore, as is denoted in black and white above from the RR webpage (whose link I have posted in an earlier post) there is no bar with respect to eligibilty for the current RR promotion for former MR members.
Last edited by NJUPINTHEAIR; Sep 16, 2010 at 12:54 pm