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This thread is closed and contains historic discussion up to 12/31/14. The current thread is here: Prepaid REDcard (Target) 2015

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    Redbird (Target Prepaid REDcard)
    Cash loading at Target: ** - $2,500/day and $5,000/month
    Online Debit Card Load * - $200/day and $1,000/month
    Checking/Savings Account - $2,000/month
    Checks - $2,000/day and $10,000/month
    ATM Withdrawals - $750/day and $2,000/month




    All "Monthly" limits are per calendar month and reset on the 1st of each month.

    *For online debit load, only use of bank-issued cards is allowed. The use of pre-paid debit cards (Netspend, Paypower, Univision, Paypal, etc.) and VGC/MGC/AGCs is not allowed. Your account will be flagged upon first/second attempt.

    **As of 12/18/14, "Cash" load at target also includes in-store loads by any Credit/Debit card normally accepted at Target

    ATM Withdrawals:
    $0 ATM usage at US Target stores* and over
    43,000 US Allpoint network ATMs (ATM usage not available at any other ATMs) Find an Allpoint ATM at: $0 from a Checking or Savings Account
    www.allpointnetwork.com

    Redbird is currently only available in the following states:
    Alabama
    Arizona
    California (YMMV)
    Colorado
    Indiana
    Maryland
    Massachusetts
    Michigan
    Minnesota (Minneapolis YMMV)
    Mississippi
    New Mexico
    North Carolina
    Ohio (Cleveland area only)
    Oklahoma
    Pennsylvania (note for fellow Pennsylvanians: west PA only)
    South Carolina
    Tennessee
    Virginia
    Wisconsin

    You can check which participating Target locations carry the temp Redbird card for purchase
    https://amex.serve.com/prepaidredcar...#store-locator

    FAQ
    Q: Can I reload a RB at a Target that doesn't sell RB?
    Yes. However, the cashier may not know how to do it. You may be able to coach them through it by saying "It's like reloading a Starbucks (or Gift) card". For step-by-step instructions on one method of 'coaching' new cashiers see Post#1904

    Q: Can I buy or reload a RB in North Carolina?
    Some users report issues with RB in NC however already activated RBs from other states have been successfully loaded via CC at Targets around Raleigh

    Q: Can I reload the RB at any register, or just at the Customer Service desk?
    It can be done at any register, however some cashiers are uncomfortable doing so. If asked to go to the CS desk, smile and say "thank you" and do the load at the CS desk. Target CS desk employees are infinitely more friendly than the Walmart MC employees. It is painless and pleasant!

    Q: What is the most efficient way to drain a Redbird?
    There are differing opinions but the general consensus is that your best option is to simply use the RB Billpay feature to pay off the credit card you used to load with. Some people frown on this, thinking it creates a suspicious 'closed loop'. If you are uncomfortable with this, consider paying off a second, unrelated CC using the BB Billpay feature. The general consensus is that Billpay is less of a red flag than doing ATM withdrawals.

    Q: I cant access the BillPay feature through the RB website!
    Verify that your account information correctly reflects a 10-digit phone number (including area code). Numerous people have reported that their account only had a 7-digit phone number (no area code) and that, after updating to a 10-digit phone number, BillPay miraculously started working.

    Q: Can we buy a temporary Redbird card while we still have a Bluebird or Serve account?
    YES

    Q: How many Redbird cards can you purchase at once?
    You can only purchase one Redbird card a day per SSN. If you plan to purchase more than one, be sure to use a different SSN for each purchase to avoid activation issues.

    Q: Can we register our temporary Redbird online while we still have a Bluebird or Serve account?
    NO.
    You will have to cancel your Bluebird or Serve account first before registering.


    Q: How do I cancel my BlueBird or Serve Account online? Do I need to call them?
    Frequent Miler posted a useful trick that will help you cancel online: How to cancel Bluebird online This works for both BlueBird and Serve.

    Q: Cancelled Bluebird, why does registering Redbird error out saying Bluebird is still active?
    If you have open transactions that have not been settled, like BillPay checks that have not yet been cashed, the account cannot settle and will not be truly closed. Thus Target will reject it until it's permanently closed.

    Q: Can we get Redbird online?
    NO.
    The only way to get Redbird is to find a participating Target store and buy a temporary card there.
    Some people have purchased RB on Ebay, Amazon, or through private deals. Be aware that doing so may violate the TOS of one or more of these services. Also be aware that buying an un-activated RB, you are potentially buying "stolen" merchandise; the seller *may* have simply taken the un-activated RB cards from a target store without permission. At best they got permission from a low-level employee; they certainly are not getting permission from someone authorized to allow sale of RB outside of the current Target-authorized roll out markets. It is highly recommended to only buy already activated Redbirds because many Targets which do not offer Redbirds also will not be able to activate them and you will spend a month with the Customer Service line trying to get a new one.

    Q: Can we load Redbird with VGCs/debit cards at Target?
    YES

    Q: Can we load Redbird with credit cards at Target?
    YES
    It is possible that Target has plans to change the register to not allow credit cards, but I don’t think that’s the case.


    Q: Can we load Redbird with Target gift cards at Target?
    NO.
    When loading, the register displays a large message saying that gift cards cannot be used to pay for this transaction.


    Q: What are the card’s load limits per transaction at Target?
    When reloading the card at Target a $1000 maximum reload per Redbird swipe, $2500 per transaction per day is in place. This is inclusive of all payment types (Ex: if you load $25 from a VGC in one transaction, you can only load $2475 from any other payment source)
    The Target systems have not been stopping anyone from charging above the daily limits but the money just "disappears" (see below)

    update: Many have been able to load more than $1000 in a single credit card transaction. For example, cashier will swipe to load $1000 to RedBird, then cashier swipes to load another $1000 to Redbird, then the cashier will do a final swipe of Redbird to load $500. The purchaser can then swipe their CC on the customer terminal to pay for all three loads in one $2500 credit card transaction. This works up to the limit of $2500 per day. More details available here: Post#1904

    Update: As of 12/26, some people have reported issues with not receiving full credit for multiple RB reloads in a single CC transaction as specified in the previous update. Always check your receipt to verify that it accurately shows your RedBird "New Balance" increasing with each successive load. This seems to be associated with loading above the daily limit of a temp or perm card (there is no error indicating this or any message at all) Correcting the problem *may* be possible if caught immediately. Otherwise, your only option may be to dispute the transaction with your CC issuer.

    Q: Do the CC loads count as cash advances?
    While we don’t yet have absolute proof of this, I’m confident in saying “no”. The charges I’ve done so far fully appear to be purchases. And, previous experience with the similar Amex for Target card has shown that credit cards are safe to use for register reloads at Target.
    As of 12/31/2014: Loading with Citi credit cards post as purchases

    Q: Can someone else buy a Redbird card for you?
    Yes. When you buy a temp Redbird card at Target, you have to give them your drivers license info, your SSN (can be any set of numbers, does not need to be real), birthdate, and more. Then, you have to register the card online in order to get a permanent card. In the process of registering online, they ask for the birthday of the original buyer on the first screen, but you can put your own and it will still work. Either way, you can still change the details on the following screens. I did this for my wife. I bought the card at Target and used my own driver’s license, SSN, etc. But, when I got home, I registered the card to my wife. I can’t promise this will work for everyone, but it worked for me.

    Q: Can you reload Serve at Target?
    NO.
    Since Serve and Redbird are on the same technology platform, and since you can reload Serve at Walmart (like Bluebird), it seems reasonable to assume that it would work at Target as well. I tried a Serve card, but it didn’t work. So, the answer for now is NO. It won’t surprise me, though, if that changes in the future.


    Q: How do I contact Target's support team to resolve an issue with my RedCard?
    Call Target's Prepaid Resolution Team, their direct telephone number is 800 438 6468 (open from 8AM to 430PM MST).

    Q: Can you have both Redbird and AFT cards?
    YES.
    You can have both Redbird and AFT since they are independent products.


    Q: I got a "Pending" notice that the registration is being reviewed, what now?
    Add [email protected] to your address book, and check your spam folder for an email about it. You can also call in. They will need images or faxes of:
    • Social Security Documentation (must clearly show full 9 digit Social Security Number). Choose 1 of the following options:
    ◦ Social Security Card, OR
    ◦ A Medicare insurance card
    Plus...
    • Picture ID
    ◦ A valid driver's license card OR
    ◦ A valid state issued ID OR
    ◦ A valid United States Government ID Card (e.g. Green Card) OR
    ◦ A valid United States Passport (photo page only)
    Original FAQ by FrequentMiler. Significant subsequent clarifications and enhancements by FT community.
    ===============================================
    Q: How to swipe $2500 at a time and add a small purchase

    A:Originally Posted by Carl Christensen http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/manuf...l#post23944354
    Originally Posted by Carl Christensen
    Carl's updated guide to achieve non even numbers:

    Go through express/regular check out. Why? Their screen faces you. I have an excel spread sheet printed off showing the number I want to load. Somehow, having a print off and pointing at the numbers causes more confidence and less questions.

    1. hand card and tell them to swipe bar up and that you plan on having them swipe three times for three loads
    2. tell them 1000
    3. Warning that Target Gift Cards may not be used - they press K1 (after I train them they keep their hand hovering over K1 for more loads)
    4. Glance at their screen to check that it shows the load (it will show a line item with 1000 etc)
    5. Tell them to swipe again
    6. Repeat 2,3,4,5
    7. repeat 2 (500 this time), 3,4
    8. Hand them a pack of gum or pop and ask them to scan it (important this is done last and not first. If done first it will just pay)
    9. They might have to hit a final key I'm not sure, but I tell them I'm ready to pay
    10. I swipe my credit card
    11. show last 4 of card to them to type in
    12. After a pause (sometimes longer than others) it prints off a receipt.
    13. If your card is denied the screen will change from light blue to red. At this point I will tell them to cancel and I go sit down on the bench in front of them to call card company.
    14. Check your receipt immediately to make sure you see successful 3 loads.
    15. Step out of line and complete record keeping and then go back through line again for next red card.

    This process yields one cc charge that is a non even number.

    I sometimes do non even numbers (937.23 ie) if that is how much is left to meet minimum spend on my cc before I go to the next CC.

    If your total load is small enough (13x.xx did not require), it does not require them typing in the last 4 digits.

    Secure Document Upload
    Here's the link to upload secure documents to REDcard:

    https://secure.prepaidredcard.com/User/SecureFileUpload
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    Old Nov 26, 2014, 4:28 pm
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    Another data point - US Bank credit cards

    I obtained my temporary card last weekend and only wanted to load a small amount initially since I'm planning to use Bluebird in December and will not activate my Redbird card for several weeks. So, my Club Carlson Visa was denied for a $20 load. I used another credit card at Target, called US Bank after driving to my next destination, got the block lifted, and had no problem making a much larger gift card purchase at a nearby mall. The US Bank representative sited a concern about gift card fraud, but seriously, blocking a $20 transaction seems excessive This is a card that I have used for almost two years and has always been used for some VI/MC gift cards at various locations (CVS, grocery, malls, etc.)
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    Old Nov 26, 2014, 6:19 pm
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    Have anyone is the Philly or Charlotte area been able to find this card?
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    Old Nov 26, 2014, 7:50 pm
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    Originally Posted by needtoescape
    I obtained my temporary card last weekend and only wanted to load a small amount initially since I'm planning to use Bluebird in December and will not activate my Redbird card for several weeks. So, my Club Carlson Visa was denied for a $20 load. I used another credit card at Target, called US Bank after driving to my next destination, got the block lifted, and had no problem making a much larger gift card purchase at a nearby mall. The US Bank representative sited a concern about gift card fraud, but seriously, blocking a $20 transaction seems excessive This is a card that I have used for almost two years and has always been used for some VI/MC gift cards at various locations (CVS, grocery, malls, etc.)
    US is seriously off the wall. After my 8 month history of buying multiple thousands in OVs at CVS, they blocked my card for a $1k load to Redbird. Called, got it unblocked. Tried to do the load the next day, blocked again.

    Advice from a supervisor at US is to not load in even dollar amounts. My last load of $499.67 went thru just fine. The Target CSR and I had a good laugh about it.
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    Old Nov 26, 2014, 9:28 pm
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    Originally Posted by mifuchs
    I had this happen on both the RedCard and Bluebird sites today. I just waited a few seconds and re-submitted each time and the bill payment went through the second or third time in one case.
    I tried many times on several pc, laptop, tablets, phones with several browsers to no avail. I just called amex red card and the rep can't find any thing wrong and he said he will escalate to the technical team.

    the error message:
    Technical Difficulties
    Due to technical difficulties we are unable to process your request at the moment. Please try again.

    We apologize for the inconvenience.

    Last edited by coolguy100; Nov 26, 2014 at 9:44 pm
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    Old Nov 26, 2014, 10:13 pm
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    Hey, friends in the SoCal IE: I saw the bird at the SuperT on H@un Rd in MenfE - they are tucked behind the greeting cards, just to the right of the pharmacy section. Probably 30 or so of them there. Happy hunting!
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    Old Nov 26, 2014, 11:52 pm
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    Originally Posted by mensday
    Went to a Target in Maryland and loaded at the CS desk. The lady said “everyone’s coming in a loading $2500 on this card and we’re all trying to figure out what’s going on. We’ve never seen anything like this.” Then the security guard came over an asked “yeah, what’s the big deal with this card?

    This deal is going to die very quickly because people are too lazy to be discreet about this. Seriously, you can’t go to a few cashiers or maybe make one more trip to Target in a month, instead of setting off all kinds of bells and whistles?
    My Target won't let you load anywhere but the CS desk, which usually has only one staffer.

    Actually, last night, the CSR asked me what the benefits of the card were, and I said, "you get 5% back when you shop at Target and free shipping online". She said, oh, right, and it helps with your credit (which it doesn't, but I think she was thinking of the Target credit card and I didn't correct her).

    Don't freak out, explain the actual benefits of the card. You're not doing anything illegal.
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    Old Nov 27, 2014, 12:17 am
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    Originally Posted by groobie
    Hey, friends in the SoCal IE: I saw the bird at the SuperT on H@un Rd in MenfE - they are tucked behind the greeting cards, just to the right of the pharmacy section. Probably 30 or so of them there. Happy hunting!
    Thanks! I'm going to stop by when I get back from the holiday weekend. Happy Thanksgiving to you.
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    Old Nov 27, 2014, 1:58 am
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    Originally Posted by PHLisa
    My Target won't let you load anywhere but the CS desk, which usually has only one staffer.

    Actually, last night, the CSR asked me what the benefits of the card were, and I said, "you get 5% back when you shop at Target and free shipping online". She said, oh, right, and it helps with your credit (which it doesn't, but I think she was thinking of the Target credit card and I didn't correct her).

    Don't freak out, explain the actual benefits of the card. You're not doing anything illegal.
    Exactly! Don't let anyone guilt trip you! There is no reason to think bad, uneasy or greedy!
    If asked by any TARGET employee during load, just tell them "I am just loading MY OWN MONEY on MY Target card.
    You should know that it is like going to your bank to deposit your own money on your bank account.
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    Old Nov 27, 2014, 5:14 am
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    Originally Posted by Blueskyheaven
    it is your problem think you or some are doing something wrong or the agents are right.

    You should have said:" That's nothing strange cos you are loading YOUR OWN MONEY on your Target card."

    "Nothing different than going to your bank & depositing your own money."


    I have said that and they are like Oh right I see & they don't say a word again!

    When did depositing your own money on your account became wrong or unlawful?
    Yeah, I suppose you COULD take the hard-@$$ approach like that. They may stop asking you question because you seem like jerk, but that doesn't alleviate the problem...they are still going to wonder what's going, talk with each other, and potentially elevate the risk concern. That could result in the program getting killed off sooner (though I suspect it's going to die a quick death all on its own), or managers in individual stores telling their cashiers to put store-imposed limits on it.

    Or, on the other hand, you could attempt to actually alleviate their concerns by explaining to them exactly what you can do. When I'm asked, I tell them you can pay all your bills with it...mortgage, car payments, etc. That seems to get a smile and a nod very quickly, like they just realized what you are legitimately doing with the card...it makes sense to them. And if they see a LOT of people coming in and doing the same thing...we'll a LOT of people have mortages and car payments...so it explains it all for them.

    Remember the old saying...you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.
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    Old Nov 27, 2014, 5:20 am
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    Originally Posted by MasterOfTheRailway
    Does anyone here know anything about Target blocking credit cards? Here's what happened to me.

    1) I got my wife a prepaid red card a few weeks ago (paid $500 with Discover).
    2) We went back on Friday, and I loaded $1000 onto it with my Fidelity Amex
    3) Right after, I purchased another prepaid redcard for myself, and tried to load $500 on it with my Fidelity AmEx. It got rejected, so I paid with a different card.
    4) A few minutes later, Fidelity fraud department called me to verify it was me, said they were just concerned about 2 large transaction in a row, and they unlocked the account
    5) Went back tonight, purchased $20 of items and tried to load $1000 onto the card. Not sure what the cashier did, but he hit something before he realized I wanted to reload the card (rather than pay with it) and he was unable to back out. He said he'd have to void the whole transaction and start over. I figured that was unnecessary for him to pull all the items out of the bag, so I said we can just do it in 2 transaction. Paid for the $20 with my Fidelity Amex , and it went through fine.
    6) He then tried to do the $1000 reload, I used the Fidelity AmEx, and it was declined.

    At first, I just figured Fidelity declined it again, and it was stupid of me to pay for the first transaction with my Fideltiy card (multiple transactions declined again). However, Fidelity didn't call me right away, so I called them. According to them (spoke to a regular CSR first, and then to their authorizations department), the $1000 charge was never even presented to them. So apparently Target was the one that blocked it, and never even tried to authorize it.

    Anyone experience anything like this? Not sure now if I should try to load with it again right away, wait a certain amount of time before trying again, or what.
    Yesterday I stopped by a different target and was able to use my Fidelity AmEx for a $1000 load, so there doesn't seem to be an issue anymore. On the other hand, I then had chase block a $1000 load (and email me to clarify it was legit), so hopefully when I retry that one tomorrow, target does't block it too.
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    Old Nov 27, 2014, 7:44 am
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    Late to the party... But thought I would give this a try after some "unpleasantness" over at OBC. Had to axe serve for RB.

    Just curious if folks load your SO's cards w SO's names on them w your CCs w your name on them? Any pushback from CS? Have yet to do a load and so am still in WM mode.

    Happy t.g1v1ng ft folks!
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    Old Nov 27, 2014, 7:54 am
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    Originally Posted by MasterOfTheRailway
    Yeah, I suppose you COULD take the hard-@$$ approach like that. They may stop asking you question because you seem like jerk, but that doesn't alleviate the problem...they are still going to wonder what's going, talk with each other, and potentially elevate the risk concern. That could result in the program getting killed off sooner (though I suspect it's going to die a quick death all on its own), or managers in individual stores telling their cashiers to put store-imposed limits on it.

    Or, on the other hand, you could attempt to actually alleviate their concerns by explaining to them exactly what you can do. When I'm asked, I tell them you can pay all your bills with it...mortgage, car payments, etc. That seems to get a smile and a nod very quickly, like they just realized what you are legitimately doing with the card...it makes sense to them. And if they see a LOT of people coming in and doing the same thing...we'll a LOT of people have mortages and car payments...so it explains it all for them.

    Remember the old saying...you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.
    Got back home with my new card, went to CS desk to load it, and the manager there went OMG, where did you get that? My wife didn't want to answer, but I freely told her Albuquerque. She said she was so jealous, she so wants one, but can't get it here yet. I told too bad, if I'd known that, I have gotten you one too.
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    Old Nov 27, 2014, 8:14 am
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    Originally Posted by Walmero
    Late to the party... But thought I would give this a try after some "unpleasantness" over at OBC. Had to axe serve for RB.

    Just curious if folks load your SO's cards w SO's names on them w your CCs w your name on them? Any pushback from CS? Have yet to do a load and so am still in WM mode.

    Happy t.g1v1ng ft folks!
    No problems doing this at all. I always load at CS. Rb is in SO name rewards card in mine. They never look at names on either.
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    Old Nov 27, 2014, 9:43 am
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    Originally Posted by coolguy100
    I tried many times on several pc, laptop, tablets, phones with several browsers to no avail. I just called amex red card and the rep can't find any thing wrong and he said he will escalate to the technical team.

    the error message:
    Technical Difficulties
    Due to technical difficulties we are unable to process your request at the moment. Please try again.

    We apologize for the inconvenience.
    still having the same Technical Difficulties today when using pay bills. this is killing me.
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    Old Nov 27, 2014, 11:56 am
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    Originally Posted by coolguy100
    still having the same Technical Difficulties today when using pay bills. this is killing me.

    I just called red card again. The regular rep put me on hold and talked to the technical team. They finally figured out the problem that my phone number format is not right. not sure how it is related to the "pay bills" function.

    anyway they fixed my phone number and I can have the "pay bills'' available.
    time to have a good Thanksgiving now.
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