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MH370 Discussion and Speculation Thread
#1561
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: RBKC
Programs: AA EXP and Eurostar Carte Blanche
Posts: 3,846
Towing something at 3000 feet of depth is no easy task already. I wonder if that's a sweet spot, or if it is a limitation of the equipment involved?
#1562
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 80
By the way, anyone notice how there seems to be no indication whatsoever of any swell in the video that was supposedly shot on the ship? http://mashable.com/2014/04/05/chine...lane-malaysia/
Last edited by polarbreeze; Apr 5, 2014 at 3:40 pm
#1563
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And the conditions must have been fairly calm as the reporter's hair doesn't move at all during the shot (sea state doesn't have to match wind speed, of course, but in this case perhaps both were calm). Although some currents of air would normally be expected even on the leeward side of a ship, on a calm night, the winds are… calm.
Of course, it could be a soundstage, similar ship in port, etc… Bit of an elaborate hoax in that case…
Last edited by ExpatExp; Apr 5, 2014 at 9:17 pm Reason: added detail
#1564
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 44
Shanghai-based Xinmin Evening News cited its reporter on board the patrol ship as reporting that the ship’s crew had “basically confirmed” that the signal was from the missing Boeing 777-200.
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...-1226875724698
And yet...
The media office of the Joint Agency Coordination Centre said the could not say anything about the signal or whether it had come from MH370.
“We are unable to verify any such information at this point in time,” the office said.
The new search areas for today do not include the coordinates given by the Chinese, so if JACC cannot confirm the story, if not today, then when?
In 24 hours the pings may be weaker, less frequent, or gone for good...
No matter how unlikely this report may be, no clue should be ignored.
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...-1226875724698
And yet...
The media office of the Joint Agency Coordination Centre said the could not say anything about the signal or whether it had come from MH370.
“We are unable to verify any such information at this point in time,” the office said.
The new search areas for today do not include the coordinates given by the Chinese, so if JACC cannot confirm the story, if not today, then when?
In 24 hours the pings may be weaker, less frequent, or gone for good...
No matter how unlikely this report may be, no clue should be ignored.
Last edited by cblaisd; Apr 5, 2014 at 9:52 pm Reason: Removed question-begging inflammatory assertion of facts not in evidence
#1565
Moderator: American AAdvantage
Join Date: May 2000
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Because what the reporter said was nonsense. That frequency and cadence is unique to the pinger - that's the whole point. And if it's a pinger, well, it must be from the MH370 unless anyone's heard of another aircraft going down in the southern ocean within the past 30 days. There's no ambiguity about that. The only ambiguity is about whether they really did hear it in the first place.
By the way, anyone notice how there seems to be no indication whatsoever of any swell in the video that was supposedly shot on the ship? http://mashable.com/2014/04/05/chine...lane-malaysia/
By the way, anyone notice how there seems to be no indication whatsoever of any swell in the video that was supposedly shot on the ship? http://mashable.com/2014/04/05/chine...lane-malaysia/
#1566
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Shanghai-based Xinmin Evening News cited its reporter on board the patrol ship as reporting that the ships crew had basically confirmed that the signal was from the missing Boeing 777-200.
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...-1226875724698
And yet...
The media office of the Joint Agency Coordination Centre said the could not say anything about the signal or whether it had come from MH370.
We are unable to verify any such information at this point in time, the office said.
The new search areas for today do not include the coordinates given by the Chinese, so if JACC cannot confirm the story, if not today, then when?
In 24 hours the pings may be weaker, less frequent, or gone for good...
No matter how unlikely this report may be, no clue should be ignored.
Just the same as any murder inquiry, every witness story is checked out.
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...-1226875724698
And yet...
The media office of the Joint Agency Coordination Centre said the could not say anything about the signal or whether it had come from MH370.
We are unable to verify any such information at this point in time, the office said.
The new search areas for today do not include the coordinates given by the Chinese, so if JACC cannot confirm the story, if not today, then when?
In 24 hours the pings may be weaker, less frequent, or gone for good...
No matter how unlikely this report may be, no clue should be ignored.
Just the same as any murder inquiry, every witness story is checked out.
They may have to do more searching with the Bluefin 21 and similar kit, but if this is the pinger they have narrowed the search are amazingly.
If JACC announced they were "fairly sure" it was MH370, they'd be figuratively crucified - the reaction would be significantly harsher than the Chinese satellite finds and other non-results.
#1567
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JACC: "The weather forecast for today's search is fair, with possible showers in the search area."
I've spent much time on ships of all sizes, sometimes participating in videotaping, I disagree with your conclusions - unless there is significant swell. It could even have been taped against a backdrop or blue screen with a dropped in scenery in an inside space (the latter is most likely.)
#1568
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Victoria, Australia
Programs: Qatar, Qantas club, Enrich, Skywards
Posts: 45
JACC News conference
The JACC shall shortly be holding a news conference which may shed light on the discussion. It shall be broadcast live on Australian abc24 news TV chanel. I do not know how to provide a link to live TV.
#1569
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 80
#1570
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: DC
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Interesting discussion on the news - first there is breaking news right now that the Chinese vessel has again detected the ping. But the interesting bit is that the Chinese vessel is operating outside of any designated search area that all participants are supposed to be searching, which is leading to speculation that somehow China has additional information that they are not sharing. This could be why the seemingly biggest lead of a ping detected is seemingly being followed up with not much coordination.
Not to mention China is putting this information out on their state run news, versus actually communicating it to the search command. Why they are doing this is anyone's guess, but it seems really dumb. It's idiotic that the search command has to hear this via the news, and ask China to contact them with the information.
Not to mention China is putting this information out on their state run news, versus actually communicating it to the search command. Why they are doing this is anyone's guess, but it seems really dumb. It's idiotic that the search command has to hear this via the news, and ask China to contact them with the information.
Last edited by Eryeal; Apr 5, 2014 at 10:12 pm
#1571
Join Date: Mar 2011
Programs: AAA
Posts: 39
Whatever equipment they have, I believe the Chinese are trying very hard to locate the wreckage. It would be good politics and a source of national pride if they located the final resting place of 160 Chinese citizens.
The place they are were searching seems about as good as the spot chosen by the Americans and Australians. Everybody is searching south of the last satellite signal arc. Maybe they got lucky.
Last edited by aBroadAbroad; Apr 6, 2014 at 11:12 am Reason: Fixed source, added link per poster's subsequent post (now deleted)
#1572
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: SW London
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Speculative, but I wouldn't be surprised if one or more nations has had a sub sailing along that flight arc for a little while, and the Chinese ones may have a head start on getting to the right area. I don't expect the operating nations to be particularly transparent about what they find where and when. Directing a surface ship to an area identified by the sub would be a good way to mask what really happened.
#1573
Join Date: Jul 2007
Programs: QFF
Posts: 5,304
Not sure if it is region locked.
#1574
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And working up the chain of assumptions I realise crew hijack is a strong contender, but not a fact.
#1575
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 44
While it is true that this approach is different from what western eyes might expect, there is no immediate cause for suspicion.
Last edited by Wickerman; Apr 6, 2014 at 7:36 am