obscure2k

There is a Starwood Forum and there is a Hyatt Forum which would be appropriate for those properties.

stimpy

I'll echo other posts to say that sometimes we are looking for the best luxury properties in a particular city. Some cities, or countries, do not have "one of the best luxury hotels in the world". But we on Flyertalk can still discuss the best luxury hotels in that place. If the best turns out to be a Marriott, then the OP can be pointed to the Marriott forum. But perhaps the best is a small independent hotel that few of us have heard of.

For example, I made a post yesterday asking about luxury hotels in Bermuda, specifically about the Newstead. That there have been no responses yet points to a need to categorize luxury hotels in Bermuda here. Even though there is no Aman, nor FS.

WearyBizTrvlr

I disagree with this, and think discussion of such properties should remain here. Being interested in luxury hotels, I am not interested in how the Imperial compares to other SPG properties in Vienna, nor how the Park Hyatt Tokyo compares to other Hyatts there. What I am interested in, and what this forum has always provided so well, is a discussion of how the Imperial compares to other luxury hotels in Vienna.

Questions of the intra-chain type will naturally end up in their respective forums, and we can continue to discuss the luxury segment irrespective of chain or brand here as these are essentially different discussions. In a way, it's largely a non-issue as far as I am concerned as it has always worked well, and as long as we don't specifically create an exclusion for luxury hotels that happen to be part of chains like SPG or Hyatt, I see no reason why it shouldn't continue to work well.

taipeipeter

I interim-ly add my vote to this:

Discussion regarding luxury hotels such as Four Seasons, Amanresorts, Peninsula, Mandarin Oriental, and Dorchester, as well as the very best independently-owned hotels in locations around the world.

--it's good to give some examples because it helps define what is meant by luxury; --the term "such as" is not exclusive and does not disqualify certain Park Hyatts, R-Cs and a great many other hotels.

In fact, as numerous threads attest, there is no agreed definition of "luxury hotel," hence so much discussion about particular qualifications, particular cases, and particular (civil) disagreements. Actually I hope we continue to have a lot of comments along the lines of "Hotel XXX is the best choice you have in Podunckville but it's not a true luxury hotel..." because those comments are useful. I don't think the description proposed here will or should exclude discussion of what many will consider merely near-luxury (call it the 2% demographic).

--very minor point: "in locations" is tautological; I know of no hotels not in one location or another .

Kagehitokiri

A1
supported by >
1 FlyerEC

A2
A3
supported by >
1 paul2
2 MikeFromTokyo
3 vuittonsofstyle
4 Ericka
5 Larkin
6 taipeipeter
+ 1 above = 7

A4
A5
A0
A00
B1
supported by >
1 speedbird001
2 emma69

B2
supported by >
1 luxury (moderator)
2 jspira
3 nba1017
4 obscure2k (moderator)
5 bearbrick
6 Musken
7 IncyWincy
8 Kettering Northants QC
+ 2 above = 10

C1
C2

speedbird001

I have said this before but it's worth repeating. This forum should not be dictated by brand or by chain but rather what is the absolute best hotel in a given city or a region. For example, in Phnomh Penh the best hotel might be the Sofitel and that information should not be in the Sofitel (Acor) forum. In Tel Aviv, the best hotel is the Hilton (Unfortunatly) and that information should not be relegated to the Hilton section but should remain in Luxury Hotels under i.e. "Best Hotel in Tel Aviv". Limiting it to high end chains will eliminate some of the best hotels in certain cities, worldwide.

jspira

It would appear that B2 has the most support.

Nice summary.

Kagehitokiri

at luxury's request, i have done a recap of the thread
technically, he only asked for the different description proposals that were posted
i believe he is planning to do an actual poll post, where people can actually vote

so if you want additional description proposals, now is the time to post them

i think this will remain my only comment >

Ericka

I absolutely agree with you. But how do we say it and NOT allow people to make up their own definitions of luxury? If we could figure that out, we might come up with the perfect description. To me, terms like "the best" and "luxury" are too vague. I know what you want. I just wish I could figure out how to write it.

Discussion regarding the very best luxury hotels in locations around the world. These may include Four Seasons, Amanresorts, Peninsula, Mandarin Oriental, and Dorchester, as well as independently-owned hotels.

I'd rather not call out Hilton, etc. as I think that would be confusing to the Hilton forum. I'd rather allow people to come to that conclusion on their own.

Kagehitokiri

it seems to me that the description with no examples is being interpreted differently by different people

IMHO is is NOT location centric, which is what some people (including in list of supporters of no example description) have discussed at length - in other words a location centric description has yet to be proposed

jspira

We have been doing fairly well so far in self policing... I do not see a problem in not defining this further.

Ericka

But isn't that the point? To reduce the need for "self policing"? I began this thread saying I felt badly for people who wandered into the luxury forum in error.

Raffles

Can we scrub 'in locations around the world'? Purely because, on my MyFlyerTalk page, the description now takes up 4 lines of text and increases the size of the box considerably.

speedbird001

Note to Ericka- At the end of the day; aren't we really asking "What is the absolultly top hotel(s) in a given city?" Isn't that what everyone wants to know. It needs to be relative to the city. If the Kamp in Helsinki is the number one hotel; doesn't it belong in our forum even though it is a Starwood? If you don't allow that, you will be missing key information. Then it is the moderators job to determine if it doesn't belong.

Ericka

Yes and Yes.

Discussion regarding the very best hotels in a given location. These may include, but are not limited to, Four Seasons, Amanresorts, Peninsula, Mandarin Oriental, and Dorchester, as well as independently-owned hotels.

?????? This is getting very long.