Jun 5, 2014, 1:13 pm
Last edit by: oliver2002
Welcome to the FRA connection thread! If you are new to FRA or this thread, please read the first post where you will find a summary of all pertinent information before asking more specific questions.
Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
Code:
DMLH/FRA/LH/17MAY22 FRA LH TO LH FRA-FRA FROM - TO D/D D/I I/D I/I CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQP TM CS-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQP TM CS HHMM HHMM HHMM HHMM LH BUS - ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH - TRN 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH BR - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH CA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH CN - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH EG - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH ET - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH IN - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH JP - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH QA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH SG - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH TH - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH US - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH ZA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH - US ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH KJR - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH KWQ - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QDU - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QKL - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QKU - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH ZWS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH KLT BUS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH SDA BUS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH 0400-0799 - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH Y- TRN 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KJR Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KWQ Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QDU Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QKL Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QKU Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH ZWS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KLT BUS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH SDA BUS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH CA- ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH AC- TRN ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH PL LO- ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH PL LO- SC ---- ---- ---- 0100 TRN -LH ---- 0100 0100 0100 -LH BR ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH CA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH CN ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH EG ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH ET ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH IN ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH JP ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH QA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH SG ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH TH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH US ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH ZA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH TLV ---- 0100 ---- 0100 BUS -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 TRN -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 TRS -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 BUS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0115 ---- 0115 -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH -LH BUS 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH TRN -LH BUS INV INV INV INV LH TRS -LH BUS INV INV INV INV LH BUS -LH TRN INV INV INV INV LH BUS -LH TRS INV INV INV INV LH SC BUS -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC TRN -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC TRS -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH -LH SC BUS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH -LH SC TRN ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH -LH SC TRS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH SC TRN -LH SC TRN INV INV INV INV LH SC TRS -LH SC TRN INV INV INV INV LH SC TRN -LH SC TRS INV INV INV INV LH SC TRS -LH SC TRS INV INV INV INV LH XER BUS -LH SC ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH -LH TLV ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH BUS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH TRN ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH TRS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH BUS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH TRN -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH TRS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 SG ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 US ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 ZA ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC TRS -LH 0400-0799 US ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH BUS -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH Y-LH BUS ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH AC-LH TRN ---- ---- 0200 ---- LH US UA-LH ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH UA-LH BY ---- ---- ---- INV LH EW-LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- -LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0100 -LH AI ---- 0115 ---- 0115 -LH XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130 -LH PL LO ---- 0100 ---- ---- -LH BR OS ---- 0100 ---- ---- SC -LH PL LO ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH -LH UA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH -LH XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130 LH BUS -LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH TRN -LH AC ---- 0200 ---- 0200 LH TRN -LH UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH BY -LH UA ---- ---- ---- INV LH QDU -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH QKL -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH ZWS -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH LG-LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH AC-LH LG ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH AC-LH AT OS ---- ---- ---- 0100
Connecting in Frankfurt [FRA] 2009-2023 (retired)
Sep 1, 2015, 12:43 pm
#3286
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If I arrive in Z from US and then need to get to non-Schengen B then the two options are:
1) Skytrain to B and go through security
2) Enter Schengen (A) and go through the miserable tunnel to B and exit Schengen.
Why is there security in option 1)? I arrive "clean" in Z and then proceed to B. Am I mixing with "unclean" (non-US or UK arrivals) arrivals in Z to get on the train?
On which level is the train? If I have it correct there are three levels. A on the lowest level, Z departures (and US arrivals) on the mid level and then Z arrivals on the top level.
It's tough to decide. If I were travelling alone then I would do 2) because I hate FRA security.
1) Skytrain to B and go through security
2) Enter Schengen (A) and go through the miserable tunnel to B and exit Schengen.
Why is there security in option 1)? I arrive "clean" in Z and then proceed to B. Am I mixing with "unclean" (non-US or UK arrivals) arrivals in Z to get on the train?
On which level is the train? If I have it correct there are three levels. A on the lowest level, Z departures (and US arrivals) on the mid level and then Z arrivals on the top level.
It's tough to decide. If I were travelling alone then I would do 2) because I hate FRA security.
Last edited by gnaget; Sep 1, 2015 at 12:50 pm
Sep 1, 2015, 1:09 pm
#3287
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If I arrive in Z from US and then need to get to non-Schengen B then the two options are:
1) Skytrain to B and go through security
2) Enter Schengen (A) and go through the miserable tunnel to B and exit Schengen.
Why is there security in option 1)? I arrive "clean" in Z and then proceed to B. Am I mixing with "unclean" (non-US or UK arrivals) arrivals in Z to get on the train?
On which level is the train? If I have it correct there are three levels. A on the lowest level, Z departures (and US arrivals) on the mid level and then Z arrivals on the top level.
It's tough to decide. If I were travelling alone then I would do 2) because I hate FRA security.
1) Skytrain to B and go through security
2) Enter Schengen (A) and go through the miserable tunnel to B and exit Schengen.
Why is there security in option 1)? I arrive "clean" in Z and then proceed to B. Am I mixing with "unclean" (non-US or UK arrivals) arrivals in Z to get on the train?
On which level is the train? If I have it correct there are three levels. A on the lowest level, Z departures (and US arrivals) on the mid level and then Z arrivals on the top level.
It's tough to decide. If I were travelling alone then I would do 2) because I hate FRA security.
But check this post before you attempt 2).
Sep 1, 2015, 3:47 pm
#3288
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Once you leave the Skyline train you will be in the area between B and C where you will have to mix with 'unclean' passengers. The train platform is above Z departures, i.e. the same level as Z arrivals.
But check this post before you attempt 2).
But check this post before you attempt 2).
Regarding the link, yes, B passport control is a nightmare, in my experience due to large numbers of Chinese and Russian passengers, who often spend several minutes with the policeman because of the visa.
Last time that I connected to B non-Schengen from the US was on United where you arrive at the B bus gate, (which is a headache if you are going to an A gate Schengen connection). This worked out great. The security was empty (around noon time).
So if you are connecting to Schengen it is much better to fly LH whereas for a non-Schengen connection it is better to fly United.
Sep 1, 2015, 4:18 pm
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Ok, but I am also mixing with unclean Z arrivals or do they have to go through security before they get on the train?
Regarding the link, yes, B passport control is a nightmare, in my experience due to large numbers of Chinese and Russian passengers, who often spend several minutes with the policeman because of the visa.
Last time that I connected to B non-Schengen from the US was on United where you arrive at the B bus gate, (which is a headache if you are going to an A gate Schengen connection). This worked out great. The security was empty (around noon time).
So if you are connecting to Schengen it is much better to fly LH whereas for a non-Schengen connection it is better to fly United.
Regarding the link, yes, B passport control is a nightmare, in my experience due to large numbers of Chinese and Russian passengers, who often spend several minutes with the policeman because of the visa.
Last time that I connected to B non-Schengen from the US was on United where you arrive at the B bus gate, (which is a headache if you are going to an A gate Schengen connection). This worked out great. The security was empty (around noon time).
So if you are connecting to Schengen it is much better to fly LH whereas for a non-Schengen connection it is better to fly United.
I haven't experienced a long wait at passport control by gate B20 from Schengen to non-Schengen but security in both A/Z and B is getting worse.
Sep 2, 2015, 1:19 am
#3290
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I am a regular on the DEN - FRA flight and usually have to do the Z to B (non Schengen) shuffle via the train. I've gotten used to it and it's not too bad nowadays.
Regardless, my last trip into FRA had us arrive in B but this time there was an agent directing passengers straight into B (non Schengen) if we had a connecting flight. It was nice to be able to bypass all the security and train stuff!!
Regardless, my last trip into FRA had us arrive in B but this time there was an agent directing passengers straight into B (non Schengen) if we had a connecting flight. It was nice to be able to bypass all the security and train stuff!!
Sep 2, 2015, 1:21 am
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I am a regular on the DEN - FRA flight and usually have to do the Z to B (non Schengen) shuffle via the train. I've gotten used to it and it's not too bad nowadays.
Regardless, my last trip into FRA had us arrive in B but this time there was an agent directing passengers straight into B (non Schengen) if we had a connecting flight. It was nice to be able to bypass all the security and train stuff!!
Regardless, my last trip into FRA had us arrive in B but this time there was an agent directing passengers straight into B (non Schengen) if we had a connecting flight. It was nice to be able to bypass all the security and train stuff!!
Sep 3, 2015, 7:30 am
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Regarding Drew's experience, he must have gotten a jet bridge since bus arrival in B definitely makes you unclean from what I understand.
I remember the opposite experience in B maybe 10 years ago just after FRA had been considered unclean in the rest of Europe (like you had to go through security on arrival in ARN upon arrival from FRA/MUC when it was the final destination!). I remember being really happy to arrive in B from the US (with a subsequent non-Schengen connection in B) only to find that we were roped off and escorted to security.
Sep 6, 2015, 2:23 am
#3294
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Hello Members,
I look forward for getting an idea to catch LH 1250 (FRA TO linz) after landing in franfurt from Mumbai (LH 757). As surfed online LH 757 is at gate A/Z and LH 1250 is from B7. I have only one hour as the transit time. Please let me know how much time is required and what should I do for quickly catching the next flight.
Arrival of LH 757 is at 7:55 AM and Departure of LH 1250 is at 8:55 AM (from B7).
If I am wrong in naming the gates please make a note for the same too.
Best Wishes,
Shievam Kashyap
I look forward for getting an idea to catch LH 1250 (FRA TO linz) after landing in franfurt from Mumbai (LH 757). As surfed online LH 757 is at gate A/Z and LH 1250 is from B7. I have only one hour as the transit time. Please let me know how much time is required and what should I do for quickly catching the next flight.
Arrival of LH 757 is at 7:55 AM and Departure of LH 1250 is at 8:55 AM (from B7).
If I am wrong in naming the gates please make a note for the same too.
Best Wishes,
Shievam Kashyap
Sep 6, 2015, 3:06 am
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Hello Members,
I look forward for getting an idea to catch LH 1250 (FRA TO linz) after landing in franfurt from Mumbai (LH 757). As surfed online LH 757 is at gate A/Z and LH 1250 is from B7. I have only one hour as the transit time. Please let me know how much time is required and what should I do for quickly catching the next flight.
Arrival of LH 757 is at 7:55 AM and Departure of LH 1250 is at 8:55 AM (from B7).
If I am wrong in naming the gates please make a note for the same too.
I look forward for getting an idea to catch LH 1250 (FRA TO linz) after landing in franfurt from Mumbai (LH 757). As surfed online LH 757 is at gate A/Z and LH 1250 is from B7. I have only one hour as the transit time. Please let me know how much time is required and what should I do for quickly catching the next flight.
Arrival of LH 757 is at 7:55 AM and Departure of LH 1250 is at 8:55 AM (from B7).
If I am wrong in naming the gates please make a note for the same too.
If your flight from BOM arrives at a Z gate you need to walk to the central security check point, go through security, go down two floors and through passport control into Schengen, go down the elevator near gate A15, walk through the tunnel to B7 (if that is your departure gate).
But bear in mind that both arrival and departure gates for any flight can change from day to day. LH757 arrived at a Z gate yesterday and today but tomorrow it's expected to arrive at gate C13. Flights from India usually use C gates and if you arrive in C (or anywhere for that matter) follow the signs for your departure gate. Whichever gate you arrive at you will have to clear security and passport control in FRA.
Flights to Schengen destinations (such as LNZ) depart from A or lower B gates (B1-19) and it's important to check the departure gate for your connecting flight and follow the signs. LNZ flights use A or B gates which are usually bus gates.
One hour for this connection is very tight but if you are on one ticket and miss your connection they will put you on the next available flight to Linz.
Sep 6, 2015, 4:16 am
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I suppose in your case they decided they didn't want a large number of passengers from a widebody to join the transfer security line just to get back to more or less where they started.
Sep 6, 2015, 10:24 am
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This is why I will willingly pay slightly more to go on LH CityLine via Munich which is a much better transfer experience from the UK. It's really inconsistently strange. That tunnel in FRA (which so many people are running through in the late evening, trying to avoid missing their connections) is awful, even with the moving walkways.
Sep 9, 2015, 10:14 am
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That's interesting. One of my many gripes about FRA is they cannot allow arrivals from the UK to transfer without clearing security as they do in MUC. One of my most bizarre transfer experience was arriving from MAN at B48, having to walk to security and denied access to fast track because I still had 40 minutes to departure, waiting in a queue and walking back to gate B48 for my flight to OTP. Exactly the same aircraft which I had left about 30 minutes earlier but somehow as soon as I stepped off the plane I became 'unclean' and had to clear security again!
I suppose in your case they decided they didn't want a large number of passengers from a widebody to join the transfer security line just to get back to more or less where they started.
I suppose in your case they decided they didn't want a large number of passengers from a widebody to join the transfer security line just to get back to more or less where they started.
Sep 12, 2015, 9:16 pm
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Flying into FRA for the first time on Singapore Air from NY. I need to get to MUC via LH. What is the minimum time for a connection, would 2 hours be enough between flights. I assume I have to claim baggage then go through security again. I would rather keep things non stressful.
Thanks
Rob
Thanks
Rob
Sep 12, 2015, 9:21 pm
#3300
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Flying into FRA for the first time on Singapore Air from NY. I need to get to MUC via LH. What is the minimum time for a connection, would 2 hours be enough between flights. I assume I have to claim baggage then go through security again. I would rather keep things non stressful.
Thanks
Rob
Thanks
Rob