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Welcome to the FRA connection thread! If you are new to FRA or this thread, please read the first post where you will find a summary of all pertinent information before asking more specific questions.

Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:

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 DMLH/FRA/LH/17MAY22
 FRA LH TO LH
 FRA-FRA      FROM          -             TO             D/D  D/I  I/D  I/I
 CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQP TM CS-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQP TM CS HHMM HHMM HHMM HHMM
 LH                BUS      -                            ---- ---- ---- 0100
 LH                         -                  TRN       0100 0100 0100 0100
 LH           BR            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           CA            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           CN            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           EG            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           ET            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           IN            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           JP            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           QA            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           SG            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           TH            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           US            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           ZA            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                         -             US             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH           KJR           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           KWQ           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           QDU           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           QKL           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           QKU           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           ZWS           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           KLT  BUS      -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           SDA  BUS      -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH 0400-0799               -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                        Y-                  TRN       0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           KJR          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           KWQ          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           QDU          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           QKL          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           QKU          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           ZWS          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           KLT  BUS     Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           SDA  BUS     Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH                       CA-                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                       AC-                  TRN       ---- ---- ---- 0200
 LH           PL          LO-                            ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH           PL          LO-             SC             ---- ---- ---- 0100
 TRN      -LH                          ---- 0100 0100 0100
 -LH           BR             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           CA             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           CN             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           EG             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           ET             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           IN             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           JP             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           QA             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           SG             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           TH             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           US             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           ZA             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           TLV            ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 BUS      -LH           TLV            ---- 0200 ---- 0200
 TRN      -LH           TLV            ---- 0200 ---- 0200
 TRS      -LH           TLV            ---- 0200 ---- 0200
 -LH 0400-0799                ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 BUS      -LH 0400-0799                ---- 0115 ---- 0115
 -LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH                          0100 0100 0100 0100
 LH                         -LH                BUS       0100 0100 0100 0100
 LH                TRN      -LH                BUS        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH                TRS      -LH                BUS        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH                BUS      -LH                TRN        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH                BUS      -LH                TRS        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH           SC   BUS      -LH                          ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH           SC   TRN      -LH                          ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH           SC   TRS      -LH                          ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH                         -LH           SC   BUS       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                         -LH           SC   TRN       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                         -LH           SC   TRS       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           SC   TRN      -LH           SC   TRN        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH           SC   TRS      -LH           SC   TRN        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH           SC   TRN      -LH           SC   TRS        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH           SC   TRS      -LH           SC   TRS        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH           XER  BUS      -LH           SC             ---- ---- ---- 0100
 LH                         -LH           TLV            ---- ---- ---- 0100
 LH 0400-0799               -LH                BUS       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH 0400-0799               -LH                TRN       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH 0400-0799               -LH                TRS       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                BUS      -LH 0400-0799                ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH                TRN      -LH 0400-0799                ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH                TRS      -LH 0400-0799                ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH           SC            -LH 0400-0799 SG             ---- 0045 ---- 0045
 LH           SC            -LH 0400-0799 US             ---- 0045 ---- 0045
 LH           SC            -LH 0400-0799 ZA             ---- 0045 ---- 0045
 LH           SC   TRS      -LH 0400-0799 US             ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH                BUS      -LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      BUS       ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      TRN       ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      TRS       ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH                        Y-LH                BUS       ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH                       AC-LH                TRN       ---- ---- 0200 ----
 LH           US          UA-LH                          ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                       UA-LH           BY             ---- ---- ----  INV
 LH                       EW-LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      BUS     Y ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      TRN     Y ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      TRS     Y ---- ---- 0100 ----
 -LH                       AC ---- ---- ---- 0100
 -LH                       AI ---- 0115 ---- 0115
 -LH                       XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130
 -LH           PL          LO ---- 0100 ---- ----
 -LH           BR          OS ---- 0100 ---- ----
 SC            -LH           PL          LO ---- ---- ---- 0100
 LH                         -LH                       UA ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH                         -LH                       XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130
 LH                BUS      -LH                       AC ---- ---- ---- 0200
 LH                TRN      -LH                       AC ---- 0200 ---- 0200
 LH                TRN      -LH                       UA ---- 0130 ---- ----
 LH           BY            -LH                       UA ---- ---- ----  INV
 LH           QDU           -LH           US          UA ---- 0130 ---- ----
 LH           QKL           -LH           US          UA ---- 0130 ---- ----
 LH           ZWS           -LH           US          UA ---- 0130 ---- ----
 LH                       LG-LH                       AC ---- ---- ---- 0200
 LH                       AC-LH                       LG ---- ---- ---- 0200
 LH                       AC-LH           AT          OS ---- ---- ---- 0100
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Connecting in Frankfurt [FRA] 2009-2023 (retired)

Old Jul 28, 2014, 5:52 am
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Originally Posted by RichieIRL
Hi. We are flying lufthansa from Dublin to Athens via Frankfurt and have a 50 minute scheduled layover (although the last few connections I looked at seem to have have had 1hr or 1 hr 10mins based on when they get in vs when the next one leaves).

From what I can tell from the Lufthansa site, the dublin flight seems to usually get in at either gate B22 or C02 and the Athens flight usually leaves from gate A58 - > A69.

Is 50 minutes enough time to make that transfer assuming we have to go through security since Ireland is non-schengen? How long does that typically take at around 8 or 9am? We intend to sprint, not just run.

Thanks
Welcome to FT, RichieIRL!

There is no such thing as the usual arrival gate for most flights in FRA. Yesterday it was B22, today it was C02 and tomorrow it is expected to be bus arrival in B. In other words it could be anywhere (mostly B or B bus gates) and you cannot predict.

50 mins is quite a tight connection in FRA. I did a 55 mins' connection from a lower C gate (non-Schengen) to an A gate a couple of months ago and managed it despite the incoming flight arriving 12 mins late but I wouldn't like to repeat it often. My departure gate was A13 which is about the nearest gate to security/passport control which helped.

You will have to clear securitiy not because Ireland is non-Schengen but because FRA can't/won't deal with arrivals from non-Schengen EU countries well. You will have to follow the signs and move as quickly as you can. Gates A58-69 are quite a lot further from the central area than A13 and are bus gates. Provided you are on one ticket they will put you on the next available flight to ATH should you miss your connection.

Good luck!
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Old Jul 28, 2014, 5:59 am
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Originally Posted by totallystoked
This is according to LH's site, and I just double-checked and it was my mistake as all of the flights listed as 'sold-out' were merely denoting that economy-basic was sold-out.

Still, odd that so many flights with that fare-class would be sold so far out? I have seen a good amount of one-ways to BUD that week on sky scanner for under $800.
Are you checking MCO-FRA-BUD or just FRA-BUD? If you miss your connection what you need is a seat on the FRA-BUD segment. So there is no need to check MOC-FRA-BUD availability.
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Old Jul 28, 2014, 6:17 am
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Originally Posted by NewbieRunner
Welcome to FT, RichieIRL!

There is no such thing as the usual arrival gate for most flights in FRA. Yesterday it was B22, today it was C02 and tomorrow it is expected to be bus arrival in B. In other words it could be anywhere (mostly B or B bus gates) and you cannot predict.

50 mins is quite a tight connection in FRA. I did a 55 mins' connection from a lower C gate (non-Schengen) to an A gate a couple of months ago and managed it despite the incoming flight arriving 12 mins late but I wouldn't like to repeat it often. My departure gate was A13 which is about the nearest gate to security/passport control which helped.

You will have to clear securitiy not because Ireland is non-Schengen but because FRA can't/won't deal with arrivals from non-Schengen EU countries well. You will have to follow the signs and move as quickly as you can. Gates A58-69 are quite a lot further from the central area than A13 and are bus gates. Provided you are on one ticket they will put you on the next available flight to ATH should you miss your connection.

Good luck!
Thanks, what I'm taking from that is that if the stars align and we run the whole way we might be ok. If we land at a bus gate into Frankfurt we're probably goosed.

Do they put you on the next available plane, even if according to the Lufthansa website it's currently sold out?
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Old Jul 28, 2014, 6:52 am
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Originally Posted by NewbieRunner
Are you checking MCO-FRA-BUD or just FRA-BUD? If you miss your connection what you need is a seat on the FRA-BUD segment. So there is no need to check MOC-FRA-BUD availability.
Yep, only FRA-BUD segments.
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Old Jul 28, 2014, 7:00 am
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Originally Posted by trblnfxn
my flights are LH1299/LH024.
i'm already have e-boarding pass. but i'll take printed pass at airport too because of battery issue

my second question about transferring between arrival and departure.

any suggestion for this? running or what?

yes this will my first time at FRA :/
Your flight from IST will arrive at a B, C or a bus gate in A or B. Whichever gate/concourse you arrive you will have to clear passport contorl and security before your connecting flight. You will just have to follow the signs for your departure gate (almost certainly an A gate). As I said before there are frequent flights to HAM, so if you miss your connection they will put you on the next available flight assuming you are on one ticket.
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Old Jul 28, 2014, 7:09 am
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Originally Posted by RichieIRL
Thanks, what I'm taking from that is that if the stars align and we run the whole way we might be ok. If we land at a bus gate into Frankfurt we're probably goosed.

Do they put you on the next available plane, even if according to the Lufthansa website it's currently sold out?
They obviously can't put you on a flight with no seat but 'next available' are the keywords. Since you are booked on the first flight of the day there will be a few other direct and indirect flights including codeshare flights later in the day. Hopefully they will put you on one of those flights to ATH.
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Old Jul 28, 2014, 9:22 am
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Originally Posted by NewbieRunner
They obviously can't put you on a flight with no seat but 'next available' are the keywords. Since you are booked on the first flight of the day there will be a few other direct and indirect flights including codeshare flights later in the day. Hopefully they will put you on one of those flights to ATH.
IME they can also put you on the next available flight and waitlist you on all the flights before that one. This way, if you are lucky and someone fails to show up, you get his seat.
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Old Jul 29, 2014, 10:11 am
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Originally Posted by munster182
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Question for you landing in FRA on LH 433 lands at 1:35p connecting to TG 921 to BKK at 2:45p, is this enough time? I know the MCT is 60minutes but this seems pretty tight.
I'm considering this connection, as well. Both segments would be in F on award space. If 433 is delayed (or even in the absence of delay) would LH provide any kind of expedited ground transfer to passengers arriving in F w/ this connection? I'm assuming not since the outbound is on OAL. Thanks
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Old Jul 29, 2014, 12:45 pm
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Originally Posted by eflyte
I'm considering this connection, as well. Both segments would be in F on award space. If 433 is delayed (or even in the absence of delay) would LH provide any kind of expedited ground transfer to passengers arriving in F w/ this connection? I'm assuming not since the outbound is on OAL. Thanks
Very doubtful. Maybe (and this is a big Maybe) TG would wait if you are on one PNR and thus they can see you are coming. My experience with on-time arrivals with LH out of ORD by the way have been very good overall and it is rare that I miss a connection at all. I wouldn't worry about it- LH tends to have a good padding on the Eastbound Transatlantic flights and even with a 30 minute late departure they arrive on time at FRA ex ORD.
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Originally Posted by TRAVELSIG
Very doubtful. Maybe (and this is a big Maybe) TG would wait if you are on one PNR and thus they can see you are coming. My experience with on-time arrivals with LH out of ORD by the way have been very good overall and it is rare that I miss a connection at all. I wouldn't worry about it- LH tends to have a good padding on the Eastbound Transatlantic flights and even with a 30 minute late departure they arrive on time at FRA ex ORD.
Thanks TRAVELSIG, I figure I'm pretty safe but don't want a delay to derail the front end of my anniversary trip! Probably the biggest downside will be little/no time to enjoy the FCL.
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4 Hour Transit in FRA

Hi,

I will be connecting in FRA for a bit less than 4 hours coming September. Would love to take a shower/bath in business lounge. I have tried to read through the FRA guide but seems difficult as there is no way for me to know which gate it will be for arrival and depart. Wondering anyone can give me some general advice? My flight is LH729 and connecting flight is for Milan.

Thanks!
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Old Jul 31, 2014, 2:14 am
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Originally Posted by stevegates
Hi,

I will be connecting in FRA for a bit less than 4 hours coming September. Would love to take a shower/bath in business lounge. I have tried to read through the FRA guide but seems difficult as there is no way for me to know which gate it will be for arrival and depart. Wondering anyone can give me some general advice? My flight is LH729 and connecting flight is for Milan.

Thanks!
Have you checked the first post of the FRA connection thread? Use this link to find where your flight arrived/departed from in the last few days, though the actual gates can change from day to day.

Since LH729 will be A380 it will almost certainly arrive at a Z gate. Flights to Milan usually depart from an A bus gate (though today LH254 is expected to depart from a B bus gate at the end of the tunnel from the A concourse). Whichever way your options are the Business Lounge near gate A13 or the former First Class Lounge which has been turned into a Business Lounge above gate A26. They both have showers though the A13 lounge has more of them. If you are arriving from PVG in Business you will also have access to the Welcome (Arrivals) Lounge which is landside. Since you will have to clear passport control and security in FRA anyway, you may like to try the Welcome Lounge as well. More information in this thread and this post.
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Old Jul 31, 2014, 11:06 am
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Originally Posted by NewbieRunner
There are actually A non-Schengen arrivals as well as A Schengen arrivals. I don't know how they decide where to drop passengers (A or B) but sometimes arrivals from the UK are taken to A non-Schengen arrivals. I think the official route from B non-Schengen arrivals to an A Schengen gate is to go up the escalator, through passport control, down one level, turn right, through security and through the tunnel to A. (I haven't followed this route for some time, so if someone knows the actual route please confirm or correct.)

Even if you are dropped at A non-Schengen arrivals you cannot avoid transfer security but if your destination is FRA (or if you are walking to the FCT ) passport control inside A non-Schengen arrivals always seems to be very quiet with hardly any queues. It's also only a few minutes' walk to the FCT.
I don't know if this is newish but a couple of weeks ago there was a passport control there on the ground level just after you got off the bus for B non-Schengen arrivals with signage pointing to arrivals and A gates. Then you walk down the corridor toward the airside part of the terminal and then make a U-turn to security and I am actually not sure if this is transit security only or part of the normal security set up.

In the past, I recall taking the escalator up to terminal B immigration and then down again for security. Not sure if this is the same security as described above.
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Old Jul 31, 2014, 3:35 pm
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Originally Posted by gnaget
I don't know if this is newish but a couple of weeks ago there was a passport control there on the ground level just after you got off the bus for B non-Schengen arrivals with signage pointing to arrivals and A gates. Then you walk down the corridor toward the airside part of the terminal and then make a U-turn to security and I am actually not sure if this is transit security only or part of the normal security set up.

In the past, I recall taking the escalator up to terminal B immigration and then down again for security. Not sure if this is the same security as described above.
Passport control inside B non-Schengen bus arrivals has been there for a few years but I believe it is only open during the morning rush hour (5-8am) according to this post. Passport control and security beyond were clearly shown on this map on the old version of FRA airport app but the latest version no longer includes them.



B non-Schengen bus arrivals are marked in gold on the map below. I can imagine it leads to the area very close to the start of the tunnel marked in green on the map.

A non-Schengen bus arrivals are opposite (Schengen) bus gates A6-10 marked in yellow. As you will see on the map below it is very close to Exit 1A (and the FCT if that's your destination).

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Thanks. It is quite infuriating that they drop you at B after a transatlantic flight. It makes more sense to use A since the vast majority of connecting passengers are going to Schengen. But I suppose being dropped in A does not help with the security issue.

Giving it some more thought, it would be fantastic if they dropped US arrivals exclusively in A so that they are all "clean" and can skip security and proceed to their Schengen flights. Non-Schengen can also skip security and proceed to B (if their flight is departing from there).

Originally Posted by NewbieRunner
Passport control inside B non-Schengen bus arrivals has been there for a few years but I believe it is only open during the morning rush hour (5-8am) according to this post. Passport control and security beyond were clearly shown on this map on the old version of FRA airport app but the latest version no longer includes them.



B non-Schengen bus arrivals are marked in gold on the map below. I can imagine it leads to the area very close to the start of the tunnel marked in green on the map.

A non-Schengen bus arrivals are opposite (Schengen) bus gates A6-10 marked in yellow. As you will see on the map below it is very close to Exit 1A (and the FCT if that's your destination).

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