andrewjsl

I am planning to fly from YYZ to WAW on either Lot or Lufthansa and pay full fare (class Y or B). What are the chances of getting an upgrade to business class? Do I need to ask for one, or will I get one automatically based on availability? Also, which of these two airlines do I have a better chance of getting an upgrade on? Thanks!!

rcs85551

If you want the upgrade, either pay the difference between Y and C - or use miles to upgrade.

You will not get any comp upgrade without coach being oversold - and then, FF status with the airline comes into play, too.

SmilingBoy

Check the difference to the fare for business class. It might not be very large, so you might want to buy a business class ticket in the first place.

SmilingBoy.

Kiwi Flyer

Unlike some us-based airlines, paying a high economy fare or having status does not result in automatic upgrade.

andrewjsl

Thanks for the info. The reason I'm asking is we have a family situation and my insurance is paying for an economy ticket, so I was thinking if I get a full fare economy, I may be eligible for an upgrade. So if I fly a US-based airline like United, I might be eligiible for an upgrade?

Rambuster

Ask your travel agent to give you two invoices: one for full fare Y (to be handed in to the insurance) and a second invoice for the difference between Y and J (and pay this one yourself).

I have often done this when customers only want to pay for Y travel but I fancy J... The difference between full fare Y and discounted J is often negligable (sometimes J is even cheaper..)

andrewjsl

Thanks! That's a good idea. I'm going to go to a travel agent, since I'm having to luck trying to find any applicable fares. For eg. Lufthansa wants $3100 for economy B and over $8000 for business! But hopefully I'll find something.

FlorianGrassl

Don't know if your travel fullfills the conditions and if there's space available but there's a Z class for 2551 EUR plus taxes, the B class 2009 EUR and Y class is 4857 EUR.

FARE BASIS CODE
ZCONM

BK CODE
Z‡ -

PENALTY
CANCELLATIONS ANY TIME CHARGE CAD 250.00 FOR CANCEL/NO-SHOW/REISSUE. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY. WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER. CHANGES ANY TIME CHARGE CAD 250.00 FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY. WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER. NOTE - CHANGE TO OW TRAVEL- IF A TOTALLY UNUSED RETURN TICKET SHALL BE USED FOR ONE WAY TRAVEL -EITHER INBOUND OR OUTBOUND- THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RETURN FARE AND THE APPLICABLE HIGHER ONE WAY FARE HAS TO BE COLLECTED IF THE RETURN FARE IS HIGHER THAN THE ONE WAY FARE THE RETURN TICKET MAY BE USED FOR ONE WAY TRAVEL WITHOUT REFUND IN CASE OF NON REFUNDABLE FARES. UPGRADE TO ONE WAY IS ONLY POSSIBLE IF ORIGIN/ DESTINATION OF THE ORIGINAL TICKET REMAIN UNCHANGED. UPGRADE TO ONE WAY TICKET MUST BE MADE. -FOR OUTBOUND TRAVEL BEFORE DEPARTURE OF ORIGINAL OUTBOUND FLIGHT -FOR INBOUND TRAVEL BEFORE DEPARTURE OF ORIGINAL INBOUND FLIGHT IN CASE OF UPGRADE TO ONE WAY FARE REBOOKING FEE DOES NOT APPLY. --- ANY TIME- IN CASE OF TICKET UPGRADE THE ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE

RES/TKTG
RES MUST BE MADE NO LATER THAN 7 DAYS BEFORE DPTR FROM ORIGIN. TKT MUST BE PURCHASED NO LATER THAN 7 DAYS BEFORE DPTR FROM ORIGIN OR 3 DAYS AFTER RES IS MADE, WHICHEVER COMES FIRST. SGMTS USING THIS RULE MUST BE CONFIRMED.

MIN STAY
RETURN TRVL IS VALID ON THE 1ST SUN. MEASURED FROM DPTR FROM ORIGIN.

MAX STAY
RETURN TRVL MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN 2 MONTHS. MEASURED FROM DPTR FROM ORIGIN TO DPTR FROM LAST STOPOVER POINT.

SEASONS
NO SEASON RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

BLACKOUTS
NO BLACKOUT RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

FLT APPL
APPLIES TO ANY AC FLIGHT OPERATED BY LH/ ANY LH FLIGHT OPERATED BY LH BETWEEN CANADA AND GERMANY.

STOPOVERS
NO ENROUTE STOPOVERS ARE PERMITTED. A STOPOVER OCCURS WHEN THE PASSENGER DOES NOT DEPART AN INTERMEDIATE POINT WITHIN 24 HOURS.

TICKET RESTRICTIONS
TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED: IN CANADA NOTE: TICKETS ONLY TO BE ISSUED IN CANADA

DISCOUNTS
75 PCT OF THE ADT FARE IS CHARGED FOR A CNN PSGR 2 THRU 11 YRS OF AGE. CNN PSGR MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL SGMTS BY AN ADT PSGR TRAVELING IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT. - - - - 75 PCT OF THE ADT FARE IS CHARGED FOR A UNN PSGR 5 THRU 11 YRS OF AGE. PSGR MAY BE UNACCOMPANIED. - - - - 75 PCT OF THE ADT FARE IS CHARGED FOR AN INS PSGR UNDER 2 YRS OF AGE. INS PSGR MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL SGMTS BY AN ADT PSGR TRAVELING IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT. - - - - 10 PCT OF THE ADT FARE IS CHARGED FOR AN INF PSGR UNDER 2 YRS OF AGE NOT OCCUPYING A SEAT. INF PSGR MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL SGMTS BY AN ADT PSGR TRAVELING IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT. *** NOTE -UNACCOMPANIED MINORS UNDER 5 YEARS OF AGE WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED FOR CARRIAGE TOUR CONDUCTOR/ SALES AGENT DISCOUNT DOES NOT APPLY.

REROUTE
SEE PENALTY.

TRANSFERS
UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED. -SURFACE SEGMENTS NOT PERMITTED. NOTE: UNLESS RESTRICTED BY ROUTING ATTACHED TO FARE RECORDS. -- SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED.

COMBINATIONS
CARRIER / RULE / FARE CIRCLE OPEN ROUND BASIS TRIP JAW TRIP SAME / SAME / SAME C C C SAME / SAME / DIFF C C C SAME / DIFF / SAME C C C SAME / DIFF / DIFF C C C DIFF / SAME / SAME C C C DIFF / SAME / DIFF C C C DIFF / DIFF / SAME C C C DIFF / DIFF / DIFF C C C Y / PERMITTED N / NOT PERMITTED - / DOES NOT APPLY C / SEE TEXT FOR CONDITIONS CONDITIONS APPLICABLE TO ROUND TRIP/CIRCLE TRIP/SINGLE OPEN JAW - -IF TRAVEL IS BETWEEN CANADA AND EUROPE, THEN MAY BE COMBINED WITH ANY ONE WAY/ROUND TRIP FARE OF THE SAME FARE TYPE OR WITH BUSINESS RESTRICTED TYPE FARE GOVERNED BY ANY RULE IN IPRAI VIA ANY CARRIER. -MOST RESTRICTIVE CONDITIONS APPLY. ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS APPLY ROUND TRIP - -PERMITTED. CIRCLE TRIP - -PERMITTED. OPEN JAW - -SINGLE OPEN JAW PERMITTED AT EITHER ORIGIN OR DESTINATION. END-ON-END - -PERMITTED WITH DOMESTIC FARES WITHIN CANADA/WITHIN GERMANY/WITHIN AUSTRIA. -PERMITTED WITH US-CANADA TRANSBORDER FARES. -CONDITIONS APPLY TO ALL FARE COMPONENTS OF THE JOURNEY. -TRAVEL MUST BE VIA THE FARE COMBINATION POINT.

OPEN RTN
NOT ALLOWED.

REFUNDS
SEE PENALTY.

CO-TERMINALS
NOT APPLICABLE.

INTL CONST
MAY BE USED TO CONSTRUCT A THRU INTL FARE TO/FROM AT/DE. THIS FARE MAY BE USED TO CONSTRUCT THRU INTL FARES BY COMBINING WITH SAME FARE CLASS.

MISC
IF DESIRED RETURN FLIGHT CANNOT BE BOOKED AS DATE IS OUTSIDE SYSTEM BOOKING RANGE OF 360 DAYS IN ADVANCE AN ALTERNATIVE FLIGHT MUST BE BOOKED FOR TICKET ISSUANCE. ANY LATER REBOOKING TO DESIRED DATE -WITHIN MAXIMUM VALIDITY- IS ONLY POSSIBLE IF PERMITTED BY FARE NOTE AND REQUIRES REBOOKING FEE IF APPLICABLE

bau31888

I don't know your insurance, but as far as I know you are virtually always obliged to get the damage (here: costs for the ticket) as low as possible. Booking an economy Y-class ticket for ~5000 Euro may not fulfill this requirement...

A note on upgrading full-paid economy: Most of my economy tickets have booking-class B and I have some status at LH. I never got an upgrade, even on oversold ecnomy-flights. I guess, SEN/HON first seems to be the rule.

andrewjsl

Thanks everyone. The feedback has been really great!!

I think I found a good business class fare. Its $2600 on LOT (fare DSLO). Now I'm trying to find a similarly priced econ fare on the same airline. Can anyone tell me where I can check fares by booking class? I used flyaow.com in the past by some of the tools aren't working any more.

Also, can anyone recommend a good travel agent in Toronto. I usually book my own flights, but I will need someone to make two invoices, etc. and I'm not sure where to go. Thanks again!!!

SmilingBoy

Sign up at AUA AirManager (free). Instead of making a regular booking, choose fare display. The booking class is not always obvious, but if you hover your mouse above the link to the right of the fare, you can see the fare included in the link. The first letter of the fare is the booking class.

SmilingBoy.