Have M&M LH F awards recently been restricted?
Feb 18, 2017, 12:13 am
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: SFO
Programs: VS Gold
Posts: 1,176
Have M&M LH F awards recently been restricted?
Hi,
Seems like the last time I looked (6 months ago?) I could find plenty of F from US West or Asia to FRA...
Now I can barely find anything. I think I search the whole year for SFO-FRA.Nothing!
I'm using M&M site and M&M miles (regular member).
Is this a permanant state of affairs, I wonder?
Thanks!
PS - is the F product (hard and soft) pretty consistent now across the fleet?
Seems like the last time I looked (6 months ago?) I could find plenty of F from US West or Asia to FRA...
Now I can barely find anything. I think I search the whole year for SFO-FRA.Nothing!
I'm using M&M site and M&M miles (regular member).
Is this a permanant state of affairs, I wonder?
Thanks!
PS - is the F product (hard and soft) pretty consistent now across the fleet?
Feb 18, 2017, 12:54 am
#2
Moderator: Lufthansa Miles & More, India based airlines, India, External Miles & Points Resources
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 48,132
SFO/LAX-Germany is always scarce in F, because they actually manage to sell the cabin consistly 
F is pretty much the same in all longhaul aircaft since some years.
F is pretty much the same in all longhaul aircaft since some years.
Feb 18, 2017, 2:00 am
#4
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: London | Sydney
Programs: LH HON, QF CL, SQ TPPS, AF Plat, VS Gold, VA Plat, EK Gold, HH Diamond, WoH Globalist, Marriott Plat
Posts: 1,527
FWIW, I am SEN and from the summer schedule onwards (so only a couple of months away) I have noticed much less F award availability from Asia to FRA/MUC all the way through the schedule.
I think not having the grid available to search also makes it harder to find.
I think not having the grid available to search also makes it harder to find.
Feb 18, 2017, 2:17 am
#5
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Luxembourg
Programs: LH Senator
Posts: 256
I also struggle finding any F availability in January 2018. GIG and MEX used to be easy to get but nothing can be found now.
I really dislike the new search engine, which makes it much more difficult to get an overview of the availability.
I really dislike the new search engine, which makes it much more difficult to get an overview of the availability.
Feb 18, 2017, 7:12 pm
#7
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: London | Sydney
Programs: LH HON, QF CL, SQ TPPS, AF Plat, VS Gold, VA Plat, EK Gold, HH Diamond, WoH Globalist, Marriott Plat
Posts: 1,527
Feb 18, 2017, 10:50 pm
#8
Join Date: Jul 2001
Posts: 675
Yes same for me as a SEN (LX) no F awards online for traveling to the US when I checked online.
I just called the M&M hotline and got F awards in a second for the dates I wanted and that were not available online ....
Maybe they just block the awards online and we must call
I just called the M&M hotline and got F awards in a second for the dates I wanted and that were not available online ....
Maybe they just block the awards online and we must call
Feb 19, 2017, 3:26 am
#10
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Stuck on this planet - mainly in STR and LAX
Posts: 5,019
Yes same for me as a SEN (LX) no F awards online for traveling to the US when I checked online.
I just called the M&M hotline and got F awards in a second for the dates I wanted and that were not available online ....
Maybe they just block the awards online and we must call
I just called the M&M hotline and got F awards in a second for the dates I wanted and that were not available online ....
Maybe they just block the awards online and we must call
Feb 23, 2017, 6:24 pm
#12
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 213
Advice sought on F redemptions TATL
My goal was to find a flight for 2 in LH F from SFO to Europe, for anytime in September or October (or even November), using the 340,000 miles in my M&M account. I have Frequent Traveler status.
I find the miles-and-more.com search, when availability is super limited, to be super painful. I figured I'd collect one-way availability between SFO and MUC, since FRA never seems to be available. I checked starting in August for a one-way return from MUC to SFO. The first flight with 2 in F is February 7.
February 7th? That's more than 6 months without a single date. It used to be that there was limited but some availability.
I find the miles-and-more.com search, when availability is super limited, to be super painful. I figured I'd collect one-way availability between SFO and MUC, since FRA never seems to be available. I checked starting in August for a one-way return from MUC to SFO. The first flight with 2 in F is February 7.
February 7th? That's more than 6 months without a single date. It used to be that there was limited but some availability.
Feb 23, 2017, 9:14 pm
#13
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 213
I've been looking for 2 seats in F, which makes things even harder. Unlike OP I'm happy with MUC instead of FRA. But it doesn't matter. Using the HORRIBLE website I managed to check every date starting August 1, and the first availability is February 7.
This did *not* used to be the case. While it was always hard to find availability through FRA, MUC used to be pretty easy if you had a little date flexibility. Now there is no availability at all. If LH's C product were better I'd just go in C and hope for something to open up.
This did *not* used to be the case. While it was always hard to find availability through FRA, MUC used to be pretty easy if you had a little date flexibility. Now there is no availability at all. If LH's C product were better I'd just go in C and hope for something to open up.
Feb 24, 2017, 12:25 am
#14
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 1,481
I spend most of my miles on O awards, about 1-2 flights for 2 pax a year. I never saw the situation, that the award seats in O were available one year before, kept being available until they were booked and after that, there were no availability on that flight again.
The availability goes up and down. Sometimes it seems that you can see an algorithm behind that, but more often it's just surprising.
I recommend to check the availability frequently, online and by calling the hotline.
FRA-SIN in O is not easy to get, but it's possible. Sometimes I've booked an one-way, if there's no return available. And later I came back for the other flight. Yes, that's a bit more expensive, but it sometimes works.
The availability goes up and down. Sometimes it seems that you can see an algorithm behind that, but more often it's just surprising.
I recommend to check the availability frequently, online and by calling the hotline.
FRA-SIN in O is not easy to get, but it's possible. Sometimes I've booked an one-way, if there's no return available. And later I came back for the other flight. Yes, that's a bit more expensive, but it sometimes works.
Feb 24, 2017, 10:09 am
#15
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 213
This did *not* used to be the case. While it was always hard to find availability through FRA, MUC used to be pretty easy if you had a little date flexibility. Now there is no availability at all. If LH's C product were better I'd just go in C and hope for something to open up.