New (Microwave) Scanners at FRA - No "opt-out"?
Jul 4, 2015, 6:43 am
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New (Microwave) Scanners at FRA - No "opt-out"?
Just went through security at FRA A and went through the new scanner line.
Asked for a manual check, but was informed that no "opt-out" exists in Europe. However, was shown the metal detector line that I could have used.
Was advised that this "microwave" device was not the same as the US ones and was not as "harmful"...
Any info on this and current regulations?
Was advised that this would become mandatory throughout European airports...
Asked for a manual check, but was informed that no "opt-out" exists in Europe. However, was shown the metal detector line that I could have used.
Was advised that this "microwave" device was not the same as the US ones and was not as "harmful"...
Any info on this and current regulations?
Was advised that this would become mandatory throughout European airports...
Jul 4, 2015, 7:17 am
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I'd be interested to know the regulations on this one as I was under the impression that passenger could opt out of full body scanners in UK/Europe. Anybody know the answer?
Jul 5, 2015, 11:02 am
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2 months ago myself, my wife and our 6 month old went through security in FRA T2 where they only had one of these machines, no metal detectors (as the security is at the gates in the non-schengen section.
I went through alone, my wife passed me our daughter around the side and then she went through but they didn't know what to do about the baby! So in the end she was not checked at all.
I went through alone, my wife passed me our daughter around the side and then she went through but they didn't know what to do about the baby! So in the end she was not checked at all.
Jul 5, 2015, 11:07 am
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Microwave , EMF = Bad for Body.
I'm highly sensitive to electromagnetic energy and have always opted out of any of those units and have been given a pat down.
No matter how 'safe' it claims it is, it isn't. My head literally burns when passing between two units.
I'm highly sensitive to electromagnetic energy and have always opted out of any of those units and have been given a pat down.
No matter how 'safe' it claims it is, it isn't. My head literally burns when passing between two units.
Jul 6, 2015, 4:15 pm
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It's not microwaves, it is millimeter waves. Does that change your reasoning, or is it just based on casual reading about the evils of "radiation"?
Do you use a cellphone? Sit near fluorescent light bulbs? Or are you only sensitive to the things that you think are bad?
Do you use a cellphone? Sit near fluorescent light bulbs? Or are you only sensitive to the things that you think are bad?
Jul 7, 2015, 1:41 am
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I encountered this miracle of safety techn
lgy at FRA on Friday. The 'friendly' FRA safety dude noticed my and volontarily offered me to go to the other station if didn't want to be milliwaved. ^
lgy at FRA on Friday. The 'friendly' FRA safety dude noticed my and volontarily offered me to go to the other station if didn't want to be milliwaved. ^
Jul 8, 2015, 12:22 am
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I think the most amusing experience I had was in IJK (Izhevsk, Russia). Security was a WTMD, but the lady manning the detector saw my insulin pump and motioned to take it off. My Russian doesn't extend to explaining insulin pumps but I showed her it was attached to me and couldn't come off. She then seemed to decide it was some kind of pacemaker, wouldn't let me through the WTMD, sent me round it and gave me the briefest wanding I have ever had.
I didn't even opt out
I didn't even opt out
Jul 8, 2015, 4:27 am
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So far this is disputed at 2 airports in Europe...would like copies of some legislation.
Jul 8, 2015, 5:29 am
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http://ec.europa.eu/transport/modes/...canners_en.htm
If EU Member States / airports decided to use them, EU minimum operational conditions and performance requirements are applicable, in particular:
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passengers must be given the possibility of opting out from a security scanner.
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passengers must be given the possibility of opting out from a security scanner.
Jul 9, 2015, 8:54 pm
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The only place that does not allow an opt out of a body scanner at an airport check point is Australia (which to do so, the government backtracked on what they had promised, then ignored every single public comment on the matter). Even then, in the 3 years since they got forced on people departing Australia, I have yet to be forced into one.