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#78
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 1,589
Ground breaking innovation from Lufthansa here. About 15 years behind the curve. All Lufthansa executives must have excitedly called each other on their Nokia 3210 phones, while waiting for their dial up internet connection to connect and download a pretty video in 30 minutes.
There is nothing new here. Nada. Nichts.
There is nothing new here. Nada. Nichts.
Fully agree. Even AF did it before them! Only USA airlines and a few small European ones are behind!
#79
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,919
OK now who has already had their behinds in one of those for test sit? You know they may look good on the Photo but these new NEK seats are modern torture instruments to me and these seats look no better to me right now! Now add an 8 hour or more flight to the equation......
#80
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: NRT / HND
Programs: AA EXP, NH Plat, Former UA 1K
Posts: 5,665
If LH comes in at $2k-3k for this Asia-Europe I think it looks good. This is much newer and fresher than SK SAS Plus and I don't like CPH since there is no lounge in the non-Shengen area, forcing me to go through passport control to use the lounge if transiting to LHR for example. I have seen BA FAR cheaper for advance purchase Y+, supposedly a good product but it's not *A so not even in consideration for me. I don't think NH is competitive on product or price for their Y+. It's probably fair to say that the seat of TK Comfort Class is far nicer, but from IST-Europe is just standard Y, not terribly appealing. Once this gets rolled out beyond the 748 fleet I see it as a big plus for LH.
#81
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So you would buy PE to upgrade to J - a little pricier than the W premium you pay now, but the default would be PE rather than E+ if the upgrade misses. Just like BA.
#82
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Germany
Programs: LH HON, AMEX Plat, Avis Pres, Sixt Diamond, SPG Plat, Hilton G, Priority G, Hyatt Plat,Kempinski PC
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Quote: Originally Posted by mmff
Maybe it will also allow to differentiate between SEN and HON regarding eVouchers?
Regardless, the consequences for me are not likely to be good.
Well, there is a significant difference already, HONs get multiple times as many evouchers as SENs...
Maybe it will also allow to differentiate between SEN and HON regarding eVouchers?
Regardless, the consequences for me are not likely to be good.
Well, there is a significant difference already, HONs get multiple times as many evouchers as SENs...
difference is: When flying Eco SEN get status miles to retain their status,while HON don t get the miles to retain their status. :-)
#84
Join Date: May 2006
Location: UK
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#85
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: 150km from MAN
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Does this mean the new F kit will also be by Samsonite?
Improvements in every travel class and on the ground amenity kits from Samsonite
Improvements in every travel class and on the ground amenity kits from Samsonite
#86
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: TXL,KIX,NRT
Programs: LH Sen, OW Sapphire, Skyteam Gold
Posts: 121
My company doesn't even balk at a $3k Premium Economy fare but won't allow a $3k Business Class fare... it's where perception and bureaucracy prevail over common sense. There are a lot of business travelers in similar situations.
If LH comes in at $2k-3k for this Asia-Europe I think it looks good. This is much newer and fresher than SK SAS Plus and I don't like CPH since there is no lounge in the non-Shengen area, forcing me to go through passport control to use the lounge if transiting to LHR for example. I have seen BA FAR cheaper for advance purchase Y+, supposedly a good product but it's not *A so not even in consideration for me. I don't think NH is competitive on product or price for their Y+. It's probably fair to say that the seat of TK Comfort Class is far nicer, but from IST-Europe is just standard Y, not terribly appealing. Once this gets rolled out beyond the 748 fleet I see it as a big plus for LH.
If LH comes in at $2k-3k for this Asia-Europe I think it looks good. This is much newer and fresher than SK SAS Plus and I don't like CPH since there is no lounge in the non-Shengen area, forcing me to go through passport control to use the lounge if transiting to LHR for example. I have seen BA FAR cheaper for advance purchase Y+, supposedly a good product but it's not *A so not even in consideration for me. I don't think NH is competitive on product or price for their Y+. It's probably fair to say that the seat of TK Comfort Class is far nicer, but from IST-Europe is just standard Y, not terribly appealing. Once this gets rolled out beyond the 748 fleet I see it as a big plus for LH.
If sitting upright for ten hours in Eco I canīt sleep a minute and will need three days to get back to normal. If I can sleep 7 or 8 hours in business class I am fit for work and jetlag doesnīt kick in this badly. If you live in Japan and fly frequently to Europe or the US you can negotiate with airlines special deals where you promise that you and your team fly 20, 50 or 100 times a year with them. This will bring down the price for business class flights dramatically ( done that some years ago as I was managing the Japan branch of a European company).
#87
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Join Date: Dec 2002
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OK now who has already had their behinds in one of those for test sit? You know they may look good on the Photo but these new NEK seats are modern torture instruments to me and these seats look no better to me right now! Now add an 8 hour or more flight to the equation......
#88
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: BSL/FRA or PHL
Programs: LH Miles and More, DL SkyMiles, Bonvoy, Hilton
Posts: 2,335
I find the Porsche Design kit is at least as cool as a pencil case, but I suppose it is a matter of taste...
I am looking forward to trying out the new Y+ product both hard and soft. I see it as a nice compromise when I can't justify an overly expensive (in my mind) C ticket, yet I am getting to old and spoiled to suffer an intercontinental flight in regular Y except for the most dire of circumstances.
A few hundred euros for a few extra cm to stretch, a foot-rest, and a power supply (hopefully better than those in the old C seats) are worth it for me.
I am looking forward to trying out the new Y+ product both hard and soft. I see it as a nice compromise when I can't justify an overly expensive (in my mind) C ticket, yet I am getting to old and spoiled to suffer an intercontinental flight in regular Y except for the most dire of circumstances.
A few hundred euros for a few extra cm to stretch, a foot-rest, and a power supply (hopefully better than those in the old C seats) are worth it for me.
#90
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: BSL/FRA or PHL
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I do not understand why managers still accept to fly long-distance in Eco ? I have declined various extremely well-paid job offers in the last 24 months ( especially from US-corporations) who pay great salaries, provide you a 5-series BMW, but expect you to fly twice a month long distance in cattle. As long as enough prospects accept it, the company policies often made by non-travelling accountants will never change. I often have trips to Asia where I arrive after midnight and have to participate in workshops or lectures early in the morning.
If sitting upright for ten hours in Eco I canīt sleep a minute and will need three days to get back to normal. If I can sleep 7 or 8 hours in business class I am fit for work and jetlag doesnīt kick in this badly. If you live in Japan and fly frequently to Europe or the US you can negotiate with airlines special deals where you promise that you and your team fly 20, 50 or 100 times a year with them. This will bring down the price for business class flights dramatically ( done that some years ago as I was managing the Japan branch of a European company).
If sitting upright for ten hours in Eco I canīt sleep a minute and will need three days to get back to normal. If I can sleep 7 or 8 hours in business class I am fit for work and jetlag doesnīt kick in this badly. If you live in Japan and fly frequently to Europe or the US you can negotiate with airlines special deals where you promise that you and your team fly 20, 50 or 100 times a year with them. This will bring down the price for business class flights dramatically ( done that some years ago as I was managing the Japan branch of a European company).
OTOH, I am a small independent consultant who does not have the buying power to negotiate pricing, so I need to make compromises when the retail value proposition becomes poor. LH is in my eyes famous for outrageous retail prices, while their contract business is fairly competitive (product features are a separate discussion).
For example, for me when a long-haul Z ticket starts to go above ca. 4k, which is not unusual ex-FRA or ex-ZRH (I can sometimes plan my travel a few weeks in advance), then Y+ and sleeping a few hours extra in the hotel on arrival begins to look like a real bargain.
For others, the stupidity of corporate bureaucracy is a fact of life, and if this product represents an approved class of travel and gives them a bit of relief, then it seems to me a win-win for both passenger and LH.