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Old Feb 26, 2014, 6:55 am
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Originally Posted by milepig
Are any of these birds still headed to Gary Indiana to become aluminum foil?

I did a double take a year or so ago when we were driving past on the tollway one day and out of the corner of my eye I thought I saw a bit white plane, with a blue tail containing a yellow circle. I thought "Lufthansa? At Gary? A charter? To GARY?" On the return trip I paid closer attention and indeed it was LH. A little Googling turned up that it was on the way to the scrap heap.

I'm actually a bit surprised that they fly them all the way to the US to become scrap.
I spoke with LTCS this morning regarding this. The reason that they fly them here for processing is that it actually winds up being the most cost effective way to harvest the engines and landing gear which are almost always put back into use on other 737s. Their facility is also set up to be a Boeing speciality shop as far as certification and refurbishment of avionics and other hardware coming from Boeing craft. They do re-sell a lot of the components to other 737 operators and there are more of them in the US than Europe, making sense for them to have a presence in the USA. Recently they have been doing some rework on GE engine components on behalf of GE after their recent engine issues.

When I was there a couple of weeks ago, the head of the operation explained that LH and AA had originally planned to do this kind of business jointly years ago when others led the companies and LH had bought the facility at TUL to be near AA who's MRO also was at TUL. American decided to go off on its own, so LH decided to stay and be 'friendly' competition. Actually, I met a lot of ex-AA people who moved over to LH TUL.

They also have a VERY robust unit that focuses on nothing but repair and overhaul of coffee makers. Some of them can cost $13,000 or more as new so its a popular repair item. They even had the chance to repair the coffeemaker from Air Force 1 recently.

LH technik is also the maintenance contractor for Virgin America with a base in SFO so that also adds to the need to have a component svcs division in the US.

BTW, if you (or anyone!) wants to be kept informed with what's happening at LTCS TUL, they have a new Twitter account that they are building, and will be sharing info on aircraft coming to the facility. Twitter handle is @LTCS_MRO

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Old Feb 26, 2014, 7:53 am
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Originally Posted by nissan720
Did I see a plane with red tail in with the others at Tulsa today?
It was an Omni Air Int'l. A charter outfit based in TUL - not part of LH's program.
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Old Mar 6, 2014, 3:04 am
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D-AIGF (A343) is on its way to become spares and aluminum foil in TUP as LH9928 today.
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Old Mar 13, 2014, 1:16 pm
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So LH increased the depreciation period to 20 years today. So instead steps of 12 and 8, its probably linear.

WiWO has this take on the situation:

ine kleine Überraschung gab es dennoch, wenn auch keine, die die Anleger begeistern dürfte. Denn die Lufthansa hat sich entschlossen, ihre Flugzeuge künftig über einen längeren Zeitraum abzuschreiben. Das klingt nach langweiliger Finanzmathematik. Tatsächlich aber steckt dahinter ein kleiner Schritt von einer grundsoliden Lufthansa in eine ein bisschen weniger solide Lufthansa.

Stille Reserve schrumpft

Durch die schnelle Abschreibung innerhalb von zwölf Jahren hatte die Linie immer eine Finanzreserve für schlechte Zeiten, denn die Flieger standen immer zu einem niedrigeren Wert in den Büchern als sie tatsächlich wert waren. Damit konnte die Lufthansa auf die Schnelle einen Gewinn und Bargeld einfahren, wenn sie die Maschinen vorab verkaufen musste.

Jetzt mit einer Abschreibung auf 20 Jahre, fällt diese stille Reserve geringer aus. Dafür fällt der operative Gewinn besser aus. Das erleichtert der Lufthansa ihr Ertragsziel von acht Prozent zu erreichen, denn angesichts der Investition von bis zu 20 Milliarden in neue Flieger, sinkt die Belastung um rund 350 Millionen Euro jährlich. Das ist schön, wenn man mehr Gewinn macht. Aber auch, wenn es fast alle Wettbewerber machen. Ein Zeichen von Solidität ist es eben nicht. Der Kommentar von Finanzchefin Menne: „Die Lufthansa Group und ihre Unternehmen sind für kommende Herausforderungen gerüstet“, klingt da einen Hauch weniger überzeugend.
http://www.wiwo.de/unternehmen/diens...09010-all.html

The question is if LH will make money selling 748 and A380 in 20 years. The two types they will buy this year will probably have no resale value and have to fly with LH till the bitter end.@:-)
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Old Mar 19, 2014, 4:08 am
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D-ABEW (733) left the fleet yesterday:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DLH9924
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Old Mar 19, 2014, 4:17 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
D-ABEW (733) left the fleet yesterday:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DLH9924
If flightradar24 is to be believed her first stop after FRA was KEF.
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Old Mar 19, 2014, 7:04 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
D-ABEW (733) left the fleet yesterday:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DLH9924
Interesting that TUL didn't need any more soda cans. Maybe Disney needs a prop or something
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Old Mar 19, 2014, 7:14 am
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Originally Posted by LufthansaFlyer
Interesting that TUL didn't need any more soda cans. Maybe Disney needs a prop or something
It looks like they actually managed to sell this 733. Its headed to SJO: KEF, YYR and MCO are just fuel/rest stops.
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Old Mar 19, 2014, 7:21 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
It looks like they actually managed to sell this 733. Its headed to SJO: KEF, YYR and MCO are just fuel/rest stops.
Thanks. I thought maybe LH was going to have a ride built at Epcot or something.
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Old Mar 19, 2014, 7:23 am
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You mean something like this in Speyer? http://www.airliners.net/photo/Lufth...230BM/2325578/

I guess the layover in MCO was nice for the crew
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
The question is if LH will make money selling 748 and A380 in 20 years. The two types they will buy this year will probably have no resale value and have to fly with LH till the bitter end.@:-)
So please be careful with spills and scratches on the seats...they have to last a long time...
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Old Mar 19, 2014, 7:33 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
The question is if LH will make money selling 748 and A380 in 20 years. The two types they will buy this year will probably have no resale value and have to fly with LH till the bitter end.@:-)
Originally Posted by N1003U
So please be careful with spills and scratches on the seats...they have to last a long time...
They can start selling C seats from the A380 soon.
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Old Mar 19, 2014, 7:44 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
So LH increased the depreciation period to 20 years today. So instead steps of 12 and 8, its probably linear.

WiWO has this take on the situation:

http://www.wiwo.de/unternehmen/diens...09010-all.html

The question is if LH will make money selling 748 and A380 in 20 years. The two types they will buy this year will probably have no resale value and have to fly with LH till the bitter end.@:-)
Not an expert on LH's fleet, but when did they sell an aircraft in recent times after 12 years at a price higher than the remaining RV?

Or, in other words, which aircraft did not fly until the bitter end? Some time ago, I ended up on a 744 from Logan, which was way beyond its best use date.

Depreciating an aircraft over 20 years is at this point more and more in line with the competition, but as pointed out in another thread recently, our friends in the US are closer to 25 and 30 years now. Considering the original idea behind depreciation and the age of fleets in the US, it is probably also making sense.

To answer your last question; I do not expect anyone to buy a twenty year old 380 aside from certain museums in New York, Dulles or Speyer. I fear Dresden does not have the space, but maybe they could park the bird in the cathedral next door.
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Old Mar 19, 2014, 7:52 am
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So please be careful with spills and scratches on the seats...they have to last a long time...
Yes, please. I am already making preparations at LHFlyer HQ to get D-ABYA and modify it into yard art and man-cave.
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To answer your last question; I do not expect anyone to buy a twenty year old 380 aside from certain museums in New York, Dulles or Speyer. I fear Dresden does not have the space, but maybe they could park the bird in the cathedral next door.
Maybe there is an afterlife as an A380 Freighter??? MROs would be smart to start getting into the business and be ready when Emirates starts to dump them onto the market.
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