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A340-600
D-AIHQ - ??JAN18
D-AIHA - 05DEC18
D-AIHR - ???????
A340-300
D-AIGD - 08JAN14
D-AIGH - 11FEB14
D-AIGF - 06MAR14
D-AIGI - 27OCT14
A330-300
D-AIKJ - 02SEP18
A321-231
D-AISE - 19DEC16
A320-211
D-AIPA - 30MAY19
D-AIPB - 25OCT19
D-AIPC - 28OCT19
D-AIPE - 07JAN20
B737-300
D-ABEA - 14JAN14
D-ABXU - 24FEB14
D-ABEW - 18MAR14
D-ABXY - 29APR14
D-ABXX - 10JUN14
D-ABEI - 08DEC15
D-ABEB - 01MAR16
D-ABED - 11OCT16
D-ABEH - 06NOV16
D-ABEN - 06NOV16
D-ABEK - 14DEC16
D-ABEC - 10JAN17
B737-500
D-ABIR - 19JAN14
D-ABIB - 04FEB14
D-ABIH - 09DEC14
D-ABIA - ??JAN15
D-ABIL - 21APR15
D-ABIU - 26AUG15
D-ABIY - 18NOV15
D-ABJB - 01DEC15
D-ABIR - 08DEC15
D-ABIF - 08DEC15
D-ABIS - 08DEC15
D-ABIP - 19JAN16
D-ABIT - 19JAN16
D-ABJB - 19JAN16
D-ABIX - 09FEB16
D-ABIN - 01MAR16
D-ABIW - 22MAR16
B747-400
D-ABVF - 14JAN14
D-ABTH - 18NOV14
D-ABTF - 11DEC14
D-ABVH - 30JUL15
D-ABVK - 14SEP15
D-ABVL - 14OCT15
D-ABVN - 21OCT15
D-ABVP - 04NOV20
D-ABVS - 01DEC20
D-ABVO - 17DEC20
D-ABVR - 21JAN21
D-ABVT - 10FEB21
CRJ701 (LH CityLine)
D-ACPB - 01APR14
D-ACPE - 01JUL14
D-ACPH - 13JAN15
D-ACPR - 19MAY15
D-ACPQ - 20OCT15
D-ACKG - 19JAN21
D-ACKC - 06FEB21
MD-11 (LH Cargo)
D-ALCO - 22JAN14
D-ALCP - 12MAY14
D-ALCR - 14AUG14
D-ALCS - 07JAN15
D-ALCG - 01FEB16
D-ALCM - 28OCT19
D-ALCN - 26NOV19
D-ALCF - 17DEC19
D-ALCJ - 12FEB20
D-ALCH - 19MAR20
D-ALCB - 09DEC20
D-ALCI - 28JAN21
ARJ-100 (LX)
HB-IXR - 02DEC14
HB-IXN - 06JAN15
A340-300 (LX)
HB-JMJ - 12OCT16
HB-JMK - 27APR17
A330-300 (SN)
OO-SFM - 03JAN19
OO-SFZ - 03FEB21
D-AIHQ - ??JAN18
D-AIHA - 05DEC18
D-AIHR - ???????
A340-300
D-AIGD - 08JAN14
D-AIGH - 11FEB14
D-AIGF - 06MAR14
D-AIGI - 27OCT14
A330-300
D-AIKJ - 02SEP18
A321-231
D-AISE - 19DEC16
A320-211
D-AIPA - 30MAY19
D-AIPB - 25OCT19
D-AIPC - 28OCT19
D-AIPE - 07JAN20
B737-300
D-ABEA - 14JAN14
D-ABXU - 24FEB14
D-ABEW - 18MAR14
D-ABXY - 29APR14
D-ABXX - 10JUN14
D-ABEI - 08DEC15
D-ABEB - 01MAR16
D-ABED - 11OCT16
D-ABEH - 06NOV16
D-ABEN - 06NOV16
D-ABEK - 14DEC16
D-ABEC - 10JAN17
B737-500
D-ABIR - 19JAN14
D-ABIB - 04FEB14
D-ABIH - 09DEC14
D-ABIA - ??JAN15
D-ABIL - 21APR15
D-ABIU - 26AUG15
D-ABIY - 18NOV15
D-ABJB - 01DEC15
D-ABIR - 08DEC15
D-ABIF - 08DEC15
D-ABIS - 08DEC15
D-ABIP - 19JAN16
D-ABIT - 19JAN16
D-ABJB - 19JAN16
D-ABIX - 09FEB16
D-ABIN - 01MAR16
D-ABIW - 22MAR16
B747-400
D-ABVF - 14JAN14
D-ABTH - 18NOV14
D-ABTF - 11DEC14
D-ABVH - 30JUL15
D-ABVK - 14SEP15
D-ABVL - 14OCT15
D-ABVN - 21OCT15
D-ABVP - 04NOV20
D-ABVS - 01DEC20
D-ABVO - 17DEC20
D-ABVR - 21JAN21
D-ABVT - 10FEB21
CRJ701 (LH CityLine)
D-ACPB - 01APR14
D-ACPE - 01JUL14
D-ACPH - 13JAN15
D-ACPR - 19MAY15
D-ACPQ - 20OCT15
D-ACKG - 19JAN21
D-ACKC - 06FEB21
MD-11 (LH Cargo)
D-ALCO - 22JAN14
D-ALCP - 12MAY14
D-ALCR - 14AUG14
D-ALCS - 07JAN15
D-ALCG - 01FEB16
D-ALCM - 28OCT19
D-ALCN - 26NOV19
D-ALCF - 17DEC19
D-ALCJ - 12FEB20
D-ALCH - 19MAR20
D-ALCB - 09DEC20
D-ALCI - 28JAN21
ARJ-100 (LX)
HB-IXR - 02DEC14
HB-IXN - 06JAN15
A340-300 (LX)
HB-JMJ - 12OCT16
HB-JMK - 27APR17
A330-300 (SN)
OO-SFM - 03JAN19
OO-SFZ - 03FEB21
LUFTHANSA Fleet Retirement Registry (LH/OS/SN/LX/Cargo)
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Are any of these birds still headed to Gary Indiana to become aluminum foil?
I did a double take a year or so ago when we were driving past on the tollway one day and out of the corner of my eye I thought I saw a bit white plane, with a blue tail containing a yellow circle. I thought "Lufthansa? At Gary? A charter? To GARY?" On the return trip I paid closer attention and indeed it was LH. A little Googling turned up that it was on the way to the scrap heap.
I'm actually a bit surprised that they fly them all the way to the US to become scrap.
I did a double take a year or so ago when we were driving past on the tollway one day and out of the corner of my eye I thought I saw a bit white plane, with a blue tail containing a yellow circle. I thought "Lufthansa? At Gary? A charter? To GARY?" On the return trip I paid closer attention and indeed it was LH. A little Googling turned up that it was on the way to the scrap heap.
I'm actually a bit surprised that they fly them all the way to the US to become scrap.
When I was there a couple of weeks ago, the head of the operation explained that LH and AA had originally planned to do this kind of business jointly years ago when others led the companies and LH had bought the facility at TUL to be near AA who's MRO also was at TUL. American decided to go off on its own, so LH decided to stay and be 'friendly' competition. Actually, I met a lot of ex-AA people who moved over to LH TUL.
They also have a VERY robust unit that focuses on nothing but repair and overhaul of coffee makers. Some of them can cost $13,000 or more as new so its a popular repair item. They even had the chance to repair the coffeemaker from Air Force 1 recently.
LH technik is also the maintenance contractor for Virgin America with a base in SFO so that also adds to the need to have a component svcs division in the US.
BTW, if you (or anyone!) wants to be kept informed with what's happening at LTCS TUL, they have a new Twitter account that they are building, and will be sharing info on aircraft coming to the facility. Twitter handle is @LTCS_MRO
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So LH increased the depreciation period to 20 years today. So instead steps of 12 and 8, its probably linear.
WiWO has this take on the situation:
http://www.wiwo.de/unternehmen/diens...09010-all.html
The question is if LH will make money selling 748 and A380 in 20 years. The two types they will buy this year will probably have no resale value and have to fly with LH till the bitter end.@:-)
WiWO has this take on the situation:
ine kleine Überraschung gab es dennoch, wenn auch keine, die die Anleger begeistern dürfte. Denn die Lufthansa hat sich entschlossen, ihre Flugzeuge künftig über einen längeren Zeitraum abzuschreiben. Das klingt nach langweiliger Finanzmathematik. Tatsächlich aber steckt dahinter ein kleiner Schritt von einer grundsoliden Lufthansa in eine ein bisschen weniger solide Lufthansa.
Stille Reserve schrumpft
Durch die schnelle Abschreibung innerhalb von zwölf Jahren hatte die Linie immer eine Finanzreserve für schlechte Zeiten, denn die Flieger standen immer zu einem niedrigeren Wert in den Büchern als sie tatsächlich wert waren. Damit konnte die Lufthansa auf die Schnelle einen Gewinn und Bargeld einfahren, wenn sie die Maschinen vorab verkaufen musste.
Jetzt mit einer Abschreibung auf 20 Jahre, fällt diese stille Reserve geringer aus. Dafür fällt der operative Gewinn besser aus. Das erleichtert der Lufthansa ihr Ertragsziel von acht Prozent zu erreichen, denn angesichts der Investition von bis zu 20 Milliarden in neue Flieger, sinkt die Belastung um rund 350 Millionen Euro jährlich. Das ist schön, wenn man mehr Gewinn macht. Aber auch, wenn es fast alle Wettbewerber machen. Ein Zeichen von Solidität ist es eben nicht. Der Kommentar von Finanzchefin Menne: „Die Lufthansa Group und ihre Unternehmen sind für kommende Herausforderungen gerüstet“, klingt da einen Hauch weniger überzeugend.
Stille Reserve schrumpft
Durch die schnelle Abschreibung innerhalb von zwölf Jahren hatte die Linie immer eine Finanzreserve für schlechte Zeiten, denn die Flieger standen immer zu einem niedrigeren Wert in den Büchern als sie tatsächlich wert waren. Damit konnte die Lufthansa auf die Schnelle einen Gewinn und Bargeld einfahren, wenn sie die Maschinen vorab verkaufen musste.
Jetzt mit einer Abschreibung auf 20 Jahre, fällt diese stille Reserve geringer aus. Dafür fällt der operative Gewinn besser aus. Das erleichtert der Lufthansa ihr Ertragsziel von acht Prozent zu erreichen, denn angesichts der Investition von bis zu 20 Milliarden in neue Flieger, sinkt die Belastung um rund 350 Millionen Euro jährlich. Das ist schön, wenn man mehr Gewinn macht. Aber auch, wenn es fast alle Wettbewerber machen. Ein Zeichen von Solidität ist es eben nicht. Der Kommentar von Finanzchefin Menne: „Die Lufthansa Group und ihre Unternehmen sind für kommende Herausforderungen gerüstet“, klingt da einen Hauch weniger überzeugend.
The question is if LH will make money selling 748 and A380 in 20 years. The two types they will buy this year will probably have no resale value and have to fly with LH till the bitter end.@:-)
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You mean something like this in Speyer? http://www.airliners.net/photo/Lufth...230BM/2325578/
I guess the layover in MCO was nice for the crew
I guess the layover in MCO was nice for the crew
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So please be careful with spills and scratches on the seats...they have to last a long time...
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So LH increased the depreciation period to 20 years today. So instead steps of 12 and 8, its probably linear.
WiWO has this take on the situation:
http://www.wiwo.de/unternehmen/diens...09010-all.html
The question is if LH will make money selling 748 and A380 in 20 years. The two types they will buy this year will probably have no resale value and have to fly with LH till the bitter end.@:-)
WiWO has this take on the situation:
http://www.wiwo.de/unternehmen/diens...09010-all.html
The question is if LH will make money selling 748 and A380 in 20 years. The two types they will buy this year will probably have no resale value and have to fly with LH till the bitter end.@:-)
Or, in other words, which aircraft did not fly until the bitter end? Some time ago, I ended up on a 744 from Logan, which was way beyond its best use date.
Depreciating an aircraft over 20 years is at this point more and more in line with the competition, but as pointed out in another thread recently, our friends in the US are closer to 25 and 30 years now. Considering the original idea behind depreciation and the age of fleets in the US, it is probably also making sense.
To answer your last question; I do not expect anyone to buy a twenty year old 380 aside from certain museums in New York, Dulles or Speyer. I fear Dresden does not have the space, but maybe they could park the bird in the cathedral next door.
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Maybe there is an afterlife as an A380 Freighter??? MROs would be smart to start getting into the business and be ready when Emirates starts to dump them onto the market.