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A340-600
D-AIHQ - ??JAN18
D-AIHA - 05DEC18
D-AIHR - ???????

A340-300
D-AIGD - 08JAN14
D-AIGH - 11FEB14
D-AIGF - 06MAR14
D-AIGI - 27OCT14

A330-300
D-AIKJ - 02SEP18

A321-231
D-AISE - 19DEC16

A320-211
D-AIPA - 30MAY19
D-AIPB - 25OCT19
D-AIPC - 28OCT19
D-AIPE - 07JAN20

B737-300
D-ABEA - 14JAN14
D-ABXU - 24FEB14
D-ABEW - 18MAR14
D-ABXY - 29APR14
D-ABXX - 10JUN14
D-ABEI - 08DEC15
D-ABEB - 01MAR16
D-ABED - 11OCT16
D-ABEH - 06NOV16
D-ABEN - 06NOV16
D-ABEK - 14DEC16
D-ABEC - 10JAN17

B737-500
D-ABIR - 19JAN14
D-ABIB - 04FEB14
D-ABIH - 09DEC14
D-ABIA - ??JAN15
D-ABIL - 21APR15
D-ABIU - 26AUG15
D-ABIY - 18NOV15
D-ABJB - 01DEC15
D-ABIR - 08DEC15
D-ABIF - 08DEC15
D-ABIS - 08DEC15
D-ABIP - 19JAN16
D-ABIT - 19JAN16
D-ABJB - 19JAN16
D-ABIX - 09FEB16
D-ABIN - 01MAR16
D-ABIW - 22MAR16

B747-400
D-ABVF - 14JAN14
D-ABTH - 18NOV14
D-ABTF - 11DEC14
D-ABVH - 30JUL15
D-ABVK - 14SEP15
D-ABVL - 14OCT15
D-ABVN - 21OCT15
D-ABVP - 04NOV20
D-ABVS - 01DEC20
D-ABVO - 17DEC20
D-ABVR - 21JAN21
D-ABVT - 10FEB21


CRJ701 (LH CityLine)
D-ACPB - 01APR14
D-ACPE - 01JUL14
D-ACPH - 13JAN15
D-ACPR - 19MAY15
D-ACPQ - 20OCT15
D-ACKG - 19JAN21
D-ACKC - 06FEB21

MD-11 (LH Cargo)
D-ALCO - 22JAN14
D-ALCP - 12MAY14
D-ALCR - 14AUG14
D-ALCS - 07JAN15
D-ALCG - 01FEB16
D-ALCM - 28OCT19
D-ALCN - 26NOV19
D-ALCF - 17DEC19
D-ALCJ - 12FEB20
D-ALCH - 19MAR20
D-ALCB - 09DEC20
D-ALCI - 28JAN21

ARJ-100 (LX)
HB-IXR - 02DEC14
HB-IXN - 06JAN15

A340-300 (LX)
HB-JMJ - 12OCT16
HB-JMK - 27APR17

A330-300 (SN)
OO-SFM - 03JAN19
OO-SFZ - 03FEB21

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Old Feb 19, 2014, 9:42 am
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Yea, with so many carriers dumping their old 744s in that past couple of years, I can believe even parting them out wouldn't make sense in most cases. That 5% residual starts to add up when you dump a bunch of airframes all at once...on the other hand, that is cash long since out the door, and what is a few tens of millions in depreciation expense among friends these days?
Good old Ruhnau was already engaged in some nasty currency hedging tricks, so I guess it is not that bad for Lufty. After all, hardly anyone pays less than Lufty for their birds (maybe also because they buy the wrong ones )

The resale or remarket value will ultimately destroy or even kill the major A380 operators, well there is only one, so EK will bite the dust or should better start printing some money. Too many uncertainties and too many financial obligations tied to all EK A 380 deals with significant doubts about the resale value of outdated airframe and engine technology after the initial deal period plus the guarantees.

In general, if you think about the reputation of LH and LH Technik, it gives you a good idea how other airlines do when it comes to reselling their birds.
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Old Feb 19, 2014, 10:19 am
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The resale or remarket value will ultimately destroy or even kill the major A380 operators, well there is only one, so EK will bite the dust or should better start printing some money. Too many uncertainties and too many financial obligations tied to all EK A 380 deals with significant doubts about the resale value of outdated airframe and engine technology after the initial deal period plus the guarantees.
I wonder whether it will really be EK's problems or of some leasing companies or aircraft fonds... Does anyone know how many of their A380 are actually OWNED by EK?
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Old Feb 19, 2014, 11:02 am
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D-ABVF in happier times before the tin can man....(Flickr dumbs down image quality unfortunately):

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Old Feb 19, 2014, 11:37 am
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you didn't answer the q in post #22....
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Old Feb 19, 2014, 11:53 am
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Originally Posted by TPA us ff
How do these arrive--stripped of seats, galley, etc. Or fully equipped with first class seats, emergency cards and so forth?
They are completely stripped out. The only thing left are the log books/maintenance records. No seats, no trollies, etc. Lav accessories (soap, towels, etc) was still supplied for crew. Only one medical emergency kit is left should the pilots need it during flight.

Seats, depending on condition are kept in HAM or FRA and used as spares or destroyed. Probably no sense in flying 'dead' weight and burning the fuel. Speaking of fuel, they drain the fuel from the aircraft and give it to farmers in the area. Very little goes to waste.

I did not see xgcy cards....I looked!

I also learned that the cabin windows are impervious to quite a variety of ammo. I'll have the opportunity to report back first hand at some point.....

I tried to link an image from my site, but it was way too big and blew up the page - but here is a link that covered D-ABIB in TUL:

http://first2board.com/lufthansaflye...nent-services/

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you didn't answer the q in post #22....
my bad.....

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I wonder whether it will really be EK's problems or of some leasing companies or aircraft fonds... Does anyone know how many of their A380 are actually OWNED by EK?
I BELIEVE that they are self-financing their toys.

Originally Posted by oliver2002
If you read the annual reports you will find that LH had to take write offs on 744 and 343s because they had no resale value and the residual book value was higher.
Heck, I would have paid something for one......I have a vision for a retirement cabin or insane asylum.......
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Old Feb 19, 2014, 1:26 pm
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
If you read the annual reports you will find that LH had to take write offs on 744 and 343s because they had no resale value and the residual book value was higher.
Thanks. That was an interesting read. In 2012 LH took an extraordinary charge of charge of 102 million € for write-downs of retired aircraft and another 27 million for impaired aircraft and repair parts (see note 9 on page 150 in the German-lauguage edition of the 2012 LH Annual Report).

Even more interesting to me in the same note, though it was not really material, was that LH took a 2 million € write down on the "Lauda" brand name that isn't used anymore...funny the things one finds lying around still on the books sometimes...
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Old Feb 19, 2014, 1:39 pm
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Originally Posted by N1003U
Thanks. That was an interesting read. In 2012 LH took an extraordinary charge of charge of 102 million € for write-downs of retired aircraft and another 27 million for impaired aircraft and repair parts (see note 9 on page 150 in the German-lauguage edition of the 2012 LH Annual Report).

Even more interesting to me in the same note, though it was not really material, was that LH took a 2 million € write down on the "Lauda" brand name that isn't used anymore...funny the things one finds lying around still on the books sometimes...
If you are interested in that kind of stuff, I strongly recommend Delta's annual reports from 2001-2010 including their brankruptcy (exit)

Just stunning...

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I wonder whether it will really be EK's problems or of some leasing companies or aircraft fonds... Does anyone know how many of their A380 are actually OWNED by EK?
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I BELIEVE that they are self-financing their toys.
Emirates is in bed with almost everyone regarding the big bird, ranging from good old fan favourites like KFW, Helaba, Coface or Doric not to mention the Saudis and Chinese.

Some of the deals are pretty innovative, not as nice as Lufty's Jolcos denominated in Euro (), but still solid.
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Old Feb 19, 2014, 2:09 pm
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This is an interesting read: http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-ne...etirement-plan
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Old Feb 19, 2014, 4:01 pm
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Originally Posted by FD1971
Emirates is in bed with almost everyone regarding the big bird, ranging from good old fan favourites like KFW, Helaba, Coface or Doric not to mention the Saudis and Chinese.

Some of the deals are pretty innovative, not as nice as Lufty's Jolcos denominated in Euro (), but still solid.
But they are financed, not leased correct? at least that was my impression.
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Old Feb 20, 2014, 12:15 am
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Originally Posted by LufthansaFlyer
But they are financed, not leased correct? at least that was my impression.
It is a vast combination of everything you can imagine..., partly, of course, off balance sheet.

Normally, you find all the information in official financial publications, well in the Gulf region, those documents tend to be a bit shorter...

If you google Hannover Leasing Flight Invest 50 and Emirates, you get an idea how ´they´ financed one big bird. @:-)
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Old Feb 20, 2014, 9:56 am
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Are any of these birds still headed to Gary Indiana to become aluminum foil?

I did a double take a year or so ago when we were driving past on the tollway one day and out of the corner of my eye I thought I saw a bit white plane, with a blue tail containing a yellow circle. I thought "Lufthansa? At Gary? A charter? To GARY?" On the return trip I paid closer attention and indeed it was LH. A little Googling turned up that it was on the way to the scrap heap.

I'm actually a bit surprised that they fly them all the way to the US to become scrap.
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Old Feb 25, 2014, 5:52 pm
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D-ABXU arrived in TUL for 'processing' on February 24.

EDIT: She arrives today (26 Feb) - had layover in YYR last night.

earlier this year arriving in FRA:



my frustration with Flickr continues......
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Old Feb 25, 2014, 7:56 pm
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D-ABXU arrived in TUL for 'processing' on February 24.
Did I see a plane with red tail in with the others at Tulsa today?
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Old Feb 25, 2014, 8:04 pm
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Did I see a plane with red tail in with the others at Tulsa today?
Not sure....did you? But I'll find out. I wasn't there to see this one arrive....damn day job gets in the way of my priorities...
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Old Feb 26, 2014, 6:43 am
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Some insight on the residual value of A340s:

http://www.businessweek.com/articles...is-not-a-lemon

The author mixes up the guarantees given by Airbus when selling the 345/346 vs the 77W and the gas guzzling 343s but it is some background...
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