Does Lufthansa ever offer compensation?
#16
Join Date: Mar 2011
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Not according to the F flights I have taken, or the many LH trip reports I have read.
Hyperbole like this makes me wonder what other things you are embellishing, and makes me question just how truthful your post is.
Hyperbole like this makes me wonder what other things you are embellishing, and makes me question just how truthful your post is.
#17
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Join Date: Mar 2012
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I sent Lufthansa a detailed letter with names of the staff involved. I did include praise for the Manager of the Lufthansa Lounge in Washington and the both lounges in Frankfurt A area. They were brilliant.
Maybe my expectations were too high for Lufthansa, but I think not. I was not expecting them to be as good as Singapore or Virgin First class but I expected it to beat my United BusinessFirst (Business Class) and Aer Lingus Business Class experience and to be blunt it fell quite a way short.
I am 19 so not your typical first class customer and I have had experience of people double checking I am in the right cabin and never have a problem with that. However, a flight attendant shouting to the other asking should he be in here, causing the rest of the cabin to look at me is a disgrace in my book. It could have been done quietly and sorted out just as quickly.
I didn't complain in the letter about PJ there just an after thought, didn't realise they weren't meant to match, which I think is a bit strange. Also, something I didn't complain about as I presume it is because they cater more for the German speakers (understandably) but I thought the IFE selection was very poor.
Overall, I wasn't amazed with the experience, but I am hoping it was down to the crew having an off day. Normally I would expect a goodwill gesture to entice me to book another flight with Lufthansa to see the real experience but maybe I was expecting too much. I'll have to look for other options for my flights to China then.
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OP - did you think about DOT or the German counterpart complaint?
BTW - I got the same amount for a malfunction IFE on a UA TALT flights. The good news I was able to sleep most of the flights (but I guess sleeping was the only thing I can do, isn't it )
BTW - I got the same amount for a malfunction IFE on a UA TALT flights. The good news I was able to sleep most of the flights (but I guess sleeping was the only thing I can do, isn't it )
#19
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Not really, I wrote to Lufthansa to let them know I was disappointed and pin pointed why I was disappointed and what they should try to improve.
I would of expected some compensation to entice me to book another flight with Lufthansa (I did mention in the letter this was my first time flying with Lufthansa and I took the strange routing instead of direct flight to test out LH as I was thinking of using them to China).
Now, I think Ill just vote with my feet and fly Turkish to China.
I would of expected some compensation to entice me to book another flight with Lufthansa (I did mention in the letter this was my first time flying with Lufthansa and I took the strange routing instead of direct flight to test out LH as I was thinking of using them to China).
Now, I think Ill just vote with my feet and fly Turkish to China.
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#21
It's always difficult to judge what really happened in these situations because we weren't there when it happened..... but I'm really having a hard time believing that an FA will grab a glass you are still holding (or are drinking from) without any previous interaction. Normal behavior is at least a question if it's ok to take it, or a statement that they have to take it before take-off starts.
The only conclusion that I can draw that you and the crew got of to a bad start and that things got worse from there. Not very professional from the crew, but you probably didn't do much either to improve matters.
Without knowing you or what really happened my first impression when reading your post was: "Another award flyer who thinks that when flying F the world should treat him like a king, when in reality he didn't spend a dime to obtain those miles except applying for a few credit cards. And is now complaining about insignificant things in the hope of getting some monetary compensation to maximize his free ticket". And although I could be completely wrong (and my assumptions are not very "professional" either, I'm only human...) it's those first impressions that sometimes set the mood for everything to come. Something similar probably happened on your flight.
Complaining about a broken seat is best done in the air when you could probably have switched to another seat. These things do sometimes happen, it was probably another passenger that broke it. What would you have really preferred, a working seat or some miles a few weeks after the fact?
And I know from experience that when you set your expectations high and they are not met. Even the most insignificant things, that normally would go unnoticed, now become confirmation of all that's bad. Like the PJ's and the content of the IFE....
The only conclusion that I can draw that you and the crew got of to a bad start and that things got worse from there. Not very professional from the crew, but you probably didn't do much either to improve matters.
Without knowing you or what really happened my first impression when reading your post was: "Another award flyer who thinks that when flying F the world should treat him like a king, when in reality he didn't spend a dime to obtain those miles except applying for a few credit cards. And is now complaining about insignificant things in the hope of getting some monetary compensation to maximize his free ticket". And although I could be completely wrong (and my assumptions are not very "professional" either, I'm only human...) it's those first impressions that sometimes set the mood for everything to come. Something similar probably happened on your flight.
Complaining about a broken seat is best done in the air when you could probably have switched to another seat. These things do sometimes happen, it was probably another passenger that broke it. What would you have really preferred, a working seat or some miles a few weeks after the fact?
And I know from experience that when you set your expectations high and they are not met. Even the most insignificant things, that normally would go unnoticed, now become confirmation of all that's bad. Like the PJ's and the content of the IFE....
Last edited by RTW1; Sep 17, 2012 at 8:38 am
#22
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It's always difficult to judge what really happened in these situations because we weren't there when it happened..... but I'm really having a hard time believing that an FA will grab a glass you are still holding (or are drinking from) without any previous interaction. Normal behavior is at least a question if it's ok to take it, or a statement that they have to take it before take-off starts.
The only conclusion that I can draw that you and the crew got of to a bad start and that things got worse from there. Not very professional from the crew, but you probably didn't do much either to improve matters.
Without knowing you or what really happened my first impression when reading your post was: "Another award flyer who thinks that when flying F the world should treat him like a king, when in reality he didn't spend a dime to obtain those miles except applying for a few credit cards. And is now complaining about insignificant things in the hope of getting some monetary compensation to maximize his free ticket". And although I could be completely wrong (and my assumptions are not very "professional" either...) it's those first impressions that sometimes set the mood for everything to come. Something similar probably happened on your flight.
Complaining about a broken seat is best done in the air when you could probably have switched to another seat. These things do sometimes happen, it was probably another passenger that broke it. What would you have really preferred, a working seat or some miles a few weeks after the fact?
And I know from experience that when you set your expectations high and they are not met. Even the most insignificant things, that normally would go unnoticed, now become confirmation of all that's bad. Like the PJ's and the content of the IFE....
The only conclusion that I can draw that you and the crew got of to a bad start and that things got worse from there. Not very professional from the crew, but you probably didn't do much either to improve matters.
Without knowing you or what really happened my first impression when reading your post was: "Another award flyer who thinks that when flying F the world should treat him like a king, when in reality he didn't spend a dime to obtain those miles except applying for a few credit cards. And is now complaining about insignificant things in the hope of getting some monetary compensation to maximize his free ticket". And although I could be completely wrong (and my assumptions are not very "professional" either...) it's those first impressions that sometimes set the mood for everything to come. Something similar probably happened on your flight.
Complaining about a broken seat is best done in the air when you could probably have switched to another seat. These things do sometimes happen, it was probably another passenger that broke it. What would you have really preferred, a working seat or some miles a few weeks after the fact?
And I know from experience that when you set your expectations high and they are not met. Even the most insignificant things, that normally would go unnoticed, now become confirmation of all that's bad. Like the PJ's and the content of the IFE....
Even when the air hostess took my drink, I was pleasant and didn't mention the fact it was rude. When they shouted asking if I was meant to be here I did not complain. The PJ and IFE are very minor complaints and I didn't complain to Lufthansa about them. I sent them a letter detailing everything because I believe Lufthansa should know where they need to improve.
I would have much preferred a working seat so I could have rested instead of a few thousand miles. I was just curious to see if it was normal not to receive any compensation. If I had received say a 200 evoucher, I would have booked First Class to China for 6,500. Instead, I am probably going to go with BA.
#23
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The only time I've ever received cash compensation from LH was for involuntary downgrade F-J and that was hard cash in an envelope. To be honest, the average F passenger isn't going to be overwhelmed by a Eur200 voucher.
As for F being full, I've flown F about a dozen times over the last year (TATL and Eur-Far East) and F has only been full once (HKG-FRA just before Christmas) so you were doubly unlucky.
As for F being full, I've flown F about a dozen times over the last year (TATL and Eur-Far East) and F has only been full once (HKG-FRA just before Christmas) so you were doubly unlucky.
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The only time I've ever received cash compensation from LH was for involuntary downgrade F-J and that was hard cash in an envelope. To be honest, the average F passenger isn't going to be overwhelmed by a Eur200 voucher.
As for F being full, I've flown F about a dozen times over the last year (TATL and Eur-Far East) and F has only been full once (HKG-FRA just before Christmas) so you were doubly unlucky.
As for F being full, I've flown F about a dozen times over the last year (TATL and Eur-Far East) and F has only been full once (HKG-FRA just before Christmas) so you were doubly unlucky.
Was it a paid ticket?
INVOL downgrade F to J is 4500 EUR MCO plus fare difference.
I received it once on an equipment swap ORD-FRA. The plane they sent was a 2 class due to a mechanical problem. I could have waited for the MUC flight but I really needed to get to Europe for a meeting.
Fare difference refunded to our T Agency. 4500 EUR MCO to me- I gave it to one of our employees for vacation and they were very happy !
#25
Join Date: Mar 2010
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I flew Washington to Frankfurt Lufthansa First Class, Frankfurt to Copenhagen Lufthansa Business and Copenhagen to Dublin on SAS Business.
On the Washington leg it was a massive let down. Lounge Staff on their personal phone being rude, flight attendant shouting to another is this guy meant to be here in the first class cabin, seat was broken, flight attendant grabbed my drink mid sip. Even things such as PJ weren't matching just was not first class at all. Then 2 out of 3 bags were broken when arriving in Dublin.
I got a letter which just about apologies but offered no compensation! Is that normal for Lufthansa?
On the Washington leg it was a massive let down. Lounge Staff on their personal phone being rude, flight attendant shouting to another is this guy meant to be here in the first class cabin, seat was broken, flight attendant grabbed my drink mid sip. Even things such as PJ weren't matching just was not first class at all. Then 2 out of 3 bags were broken when arriving in Dublin.
I got a letter which just about apologies but offered no compensation! Is that normal for Lufthansa?
A crew member would never take a drink away "mid-sip".
The bags you may have a claim for, and perhaps the seat....but if you approach this with an attitude....good luck, you won't get anything.
But I have a sense that there was a bit of DYKWIA coming from OP.
PJ's not matching? they never have, they're coordinated.
A big big big
#26
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It's always difficult to judge what really happened in these situations because we weren't there when it happened..... but I'm really having a hard time believing that an FA will grab a glass you are still holding (or are drinking from) without any previous interaction. Normal behavior is at least a question if it's ok to take it, or a statement that they have to take it before take-off starts.
The only conclusion that I can draw that you and the crew got of to a bad start and that things got worse from there. Not very professional from the crew, but you probably didn't do much either to improve matters.
Without knowing you or what really happened my first impression when reading your post was: "Another award flyer who thinks that when flying F the world should treat him like a king, when in reality he didn't spend a dime to obtain those miles except applying for a few credit cards. And is now complaining about insignificant things in the hope of getting some monetary compensation to maximize his free ticket". And although I could be completely wrong (and my assumptions are not very "professional" either, I'm only human...) it's those first impressions that sometimes set the mood for everything to come. Something similar probably happened on your flight.
Complaining about a broken seat is best done in the air when you could probably have switched to another seat. These things do sometimes happen, it was probably another passenger that broke it. What would you have really preferred, a working seat or some miles a few weeks after the fact?
And I know from experience that when you set your expectations high and they are not met. Even the most insignificant things, that normally would go unnoticed, now become confirmation of all that's bad. Like the PJ's and the content of the IFE....
The only conclusion that I can draw that you and the crew got of to a bad start and that things got worse from there. Not very professional from the crew, but you probably didn't do much either to improve matters.
Without knowing you or what really happened my first impression when reading your post was: "Another award flyer who thinks that when flying F the world should treat him like a king, when in reality he didn't spend a dime to obtain those miles except applying for a few credit cards. And is now complaining about insignificant things in the hope of getting some monetary compensation to maximize his free ticket". And although I could be completely wrong (and my assumptions are not very "professional" either, I'm only human...) it's those first impressions that sometimes set the mood for everything to come. Something similar probably happened on your flight.
Complaining about a broken seat is best done in the air when you could probably have switched to another seat. These things do sometimes happen, it was probably another passenger that broke it. What would you have really preferred, a working seat or some miles a few weeks after the fact?
And I know from experience that when you set your expectations high and they are not met. Even the most insignificant things, that normally would go unnoticed, now become confirmation of all that's bad. Like the PJ's and the content of the IFE....
+1,000,000
#27
Join Date: Oct 2009
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Does Lufthansa ever offer compensation?
So... crews vary greatly.
I took an A380 flight in F into FRA today, young crew, very nice. Now I just boarded FRA-BKK and it took the first of the two FAs about 10 minutes to say hello to me. 8/8 F, but I wonder whether all of us are HON.
You crew on the 380 knew my name instantly and were just great bar none.
Not yet offered PJs, but by the looks on them... just express their dislike of being here, hopefully it inproves. I'll continue ignoring these and be pleasant as they do their jobs.
I took an A380 flight in F into FRA today, young crew, very nice. Now I just boarded FRA-BKK and it took the first of the two FAs about 10 minutes to say hello to me. 8/8 F, but I wonder whether all of us are HON.
You crew on the 380 knew my name instantly and were just great bar none.
Not yet offered PJs, but by the looks on them... just express their dislike of being here, hopefully it inproves. I'll continue ignoring these and be pleasant as they do their jobs.
#28
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Swiss has the same procedure
#30
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Swiss has the same procedure
We're not talking AA, being nearly arrested for ordering orange juice at the wrong time...
On a personal note, I arrived BKK, ground services were superb. I was one of 2 HON in F, cabin was full. I did not receive PJs or amenity kit until I asked the purser for some while she brought the menus. Also had to remind them that it would be nice to have hot towels before I eat the amuse bouche. Food service was nice and everything else was smooth.
I think they lucked out (or had more than enogh) with my food choices, as I was asked/served 5th...
On a separate note, the FAs were so distracted with chatter they forgot to arm the slides. Purser had to say again that "not all slides are armed". And I don't know how much room for interpretation there is on that one..