LH.com POS US availability
#1
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LH.com POS US availability
Hi there,
if I see KVS availability on LH I know it its POS US. Does that mean LH US hotline will be able to issue the ticket for me even if I am paying with a German CC?
Seeing availability in W on KVS, while lh.de gives me H fares only on FRA-MEX r/t. So quite some money in that case.
Thanks for any info.
Cheers
if I see KVS availability on LH I know it its POS US. Does that mean LH US hotline will be able to issue the ticket for me even if I am paying with a German CC?
Seeing availability in W on KVS, while lh.de gives me H fares only on FRA-MEX r/t. So quite some money in that case.
Thanks for any info.
Cheers
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if I see KVS availability on LH I know it its POS US. Does that mean LH US hotline will be able to issue the ticket for me even if I am paying with a German CC?
Seeing availability in W on KVS, while lh.de gives me H fares only on FRA-MEX r/t. So quite some money in that case.
Thanks for any info.
Seeing availability in W on KVS, while lh.de gives me H fares only on FRA-MEX r/t. So quite some money in that case.
Thanks for any info.
[KVS Availability Tool 7.0.3/Diamond - Sabre: FRA-MEX/LH/WKRCDEW/930 USD]
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[Sales Restrictions] EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY IS NOT PERMITTED. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. SALES RESTRICTIONS/ SEQUENTIAL USE OF FLIGHT COUPONS OTHER CONDITIONS SEQUENTIAL USE OF FLIGHT COUPONS - THIS FARE IS ONLY VALID IF THE FLIGHTS ARE TAKEN IN THE BOOKED SEQUENCE. OTHERWISE THE FARE WILL BE RECALCULATED BASED ON THE ACTUAL FLIGHT ROUTING. RESPECTIVE REISSUE MUST BE DONE AS DESCRIBED IN GGAIRLHPT5INFO - OUT OF SEQUENCE REISSUE /1A USER/ GC.LH - GP.68 /1G USER/ G/AIR/LH0 - CAT TICKETING /1P USER/ ESERVICE.SABRE.COM - CAT TICKETING /1S USER/ S.LHB/TICKETING /1V USER/ [Rule Application & Other Conditions] NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. LEISURE FARES FROM GERMANY TO MEXICO AND CARIBBEAN APPLICATION AREA THESE FARES APPLY FROM GERMANY TO MEXICO ANDINTERNATIONAL POINTS IN THE CARIBBEAN AREA. CLASS OF SERVICE THESE FARES APPLY FOR ECONOMY CLASS SERVICE. CAPACITY LIMITATIONS THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS CARRIED ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS, WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN FLIGHT, WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CARRIER$S BEST JUDGEMENT. OTHER CONDITIONS MILEAGE UPGRADE FOR BOOKING CLASSES K/ L/ E/ P/ T NOT PERMITTED. [Seasonality] PERMITTED 24MAY THROUGH 19JUN OR 16AUG THROUGH 23OCT ON THE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR. SEASON IS BASED ON DATE OF ORIGIN. [Flight Application] THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY LH FLIGHT OPERATED BY AC ANY LH FLIGHT OPERATED BY LH ANY LH FLIGHT OPERATED BY LX ANY LH FLIGHT OPERATED BY OS ANY LH FLIGHT OPERATED BY SN ANY LH FLIGHT OPERATED BY UA ANY LH FLIGHT OPERATED BY VO. [Advance Reservations/Ticketing] CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS ARE REQUIRED AT LEAST 1 DAY BEFORE DEPARTURE. TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 72 HOURS AFTER RESERVATIONS ARE MADE OR AT LEAST 1 DAY BEFORE DEPARTURE WHICHEVER IS EARLIER. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. WAITLIST NOT PERMITTED AT TIME OF TICKETING. --- DUE TO AUTOMATED TICKETING DEADLINE CONTROL DIFFERENCE COULD EXIST BETWEEN THE FARE RULE LAST TICKETING DATE AND THE SYSTEM GENERATED TICKETING DEADLINE MESSAGE. THE MORE RESTRICTIVE TICKETING DEADLINE APPLIES. [Minimum Stay] TRAVEL FROM INBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN 6 DAYS AFTER DEPARTURE OF THE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR. OR - TRAVEL FROM INBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN THE FIRST SUN AFTER DEPARTURE OF THE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR. [Maximum Stay] TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. IF DESIRED RETURN FLIGHT CANNOT BE BOOKED AS DATE IS OUTSIDE SYSTEM BOOKING RANGE OF 360 DAYS IN ADVANCE AN ALTERNATIVE FLIGHT MUST BE BOOKED FOR TICKET ISSUANCE.ANY LATER REBOOKING TO DESIRED DATE -WITHIN MAXIMUM VALIDITY- IS ONLY POSSIBLE IF PERMITTED BY FARE NOTE AND REQUIRES REBOOKING FEE IF APPLICABLE. [Stopovers] 1 STOPOVER PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION AT EUR 75.00 1 IN AREA 1 IN EACH DIRECTION. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. EACH STOPOVER TAKEN UTILIZES A PERMITTED TRANSFER. ----------- UNLESS RESTRICTED BY ROUTING ATTACHED TO FARE RECORDS. [Transfers] 5 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION. 3 PERMITTED IN AREA 2 IN EACH DIRECTION 2 PERMITTED IN AREA 1 IN EACH DIRECTION. FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. UNLESS RESTRICTED BY ROUTING ATTACHED TO FARE RECORDS. [Surcharges] ORIGINATING FRA - THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS - WHEN TICKETS ARE SOLD IN IRAN. AND - IF INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2. THERE IS NO FUEL SURCHARGE PER DIRECTION. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. SALE OF THIS FARE IS PERMITTED WORLDWIDE. THIS SURCHARGE IS ONLY APPLICABLE WHEN TICKETS ARE SOLD IN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN. ORIGINATING FRA - THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS - WHEN TICKETS ARE SOLD IN IRAN. FUEL SURCHARGE OF EUR 132.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. SALE OF THIS FARE IS PERMITTED WORLDWIDE. THIS SURCHARGE IS ONLY APPLICABLE WHEN TICKETS ARE SOLD IN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN. ORIGINATING AREA 1 - THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS - WHEN TICKETS ARE SOLD IN IRAN. AND - IF INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2. THERE IS NO FUEL SURCHARGE PER DIRECTION. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. SALE OF THIS FARE IS PERMITTED WORLDWIDE. THIS SURCHARGE IS ONLY APPLICABLE WHEN TICKETS ARE SOLD IN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN. ORIGINATING AREA 1 - THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS - WHEN TICKETS ARE SOLD IN IRAN. FUEL SURCHARGE OF USD 120.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. SALE OF THIS FARE IS PERMITTED WORLDWIDE. THIS SURCHARGE IS ONLY APPLICABLE WHEN TICKETS ARE SOLD IN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN. [Penalties] CANCELLATIONS ANY TIME CHARGE EUR 180.00 FOR CANCEL/NO-SHOW/REFUND. WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. THE FOLLOWING RULES APPLY PER PRICING UNIT. WHEN COMBINING FARES THE MOST RESTRICTIVE CANCELLATION CONDITIONS APPLY FOR THE ENTIRE TICKET. -------- CHILD DISCOUNT DOES NOT APPLY. INFANT FREE OF CHARGE. -------- WAIVERS MUST BE EVIDENCED BY DEATH CERTIFICATE. -------- FULL REFUND PERMITTED BEFORE DEPARTURE IN CASE OF REJECTION OF VISA. EMBASSY STATEMENT REQUIRED. -------- REFUND OF UNUSED FEES AND TAXES PERMITTED. UNLESS APPLICABLE OW/RT FARE PLUS TAXES FOR ACTUAL TRAVEL IS HIGHER THAN WHOLE ORIGINAL TICKET. IN THIS CASE NO TAX OR FEE REFUND WILL BE PERMITTED. EXCEPTION- THE TICKET PURCHASER IS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR A REFUND OF THE PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGE TAX ON UNUSED/ NONREFUNDABLE OR EXPIRED TICKETS. -------- THE OPTIONAL PAYMENT CHARGE WILL NOT BE REFUNDED. CHANGES BEFORE DEPARTURE CHARGE EUR 120.00 FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION. WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. WAIVERS MUST BE EVIDENCED BY DEATH CERTIFICATE. -------- THE FOLLOWING RULES APPLY PER FARE COMPONENT /DIRECTION. EXCEPTION- CHANGE FEE WILL BE THE HIGHEST OF ANY CHANGED FARE COMPONENT IN THE ITINERARY. -------- CHILD DISCOUNT DOES NOT APPLY. INFANT WITHOUT SEAT FREE OF CHARGE. -------- CHANGES NOT PERMITTED IN CASE OF NO SHOW. PLS REFER TO REFUND SECTION IF APPLICABLE. -------- CHANGES PERMITTED FOR REROUTING/REBOOKING. PROVIDED THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE COMPLIED WITH- REROUTING/REBOOKING PERMITTED PROVIDED ALL CONDITIONS OF THE NEW FARE INCLUDING ADVANCE PURCHASE ARE COMPLIED WITH IRRESPECTIVE IF CHANGE OCCURS TO OUTBOUND OR INBOUND FLIGHT. WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A HIGHER FARE THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE COLLECTED - AND - THE CHANGE FEE WILL BE APPLIED. WHEN THE NEW ITINERAY RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE A CREDIT OF THE RESIDUAL AMOUNT WILL BE MADE - AND - THE CHANGE FEE WILL BE APPLIED. -------- REVALIDATION/REBOOKING/REROUTING MUST BE FINALIZED BEFORE DEPARTURE OF THE ORIGINAL FLIGHT BEING CHANGED PROVIDED ALL CONDITIONS INCLUDING ADVANCE PURCHASE ARE COMPLIED WITH. IF NOT DONE BEFORE ORIGINAL FLIGHT BEING CHANGED TICKET WILL ONLY BE VALID FOR REFUND OR NOT APPLICABLE AT ALL. REISSUE/MCO ISSUANCE MUST BE MADE WITHIN 24 HOURS AFTER CHANGE OF RESERVATION BUT NOT LATER THAN DEPARTURE OF THE ORIGINAL FLIGHT BEING CHANGED. IF NOT DONE WITHIN 24 HOURS AFTER CHANGE OF RESERVATION AND BEFORE DEPARTURE OF THE ORIGINAL FLIGHT BEING CHANGED TICKET WILL ONLY BE VALID FOR REFUND OR NOT APPLICABLE AT ALL. AFTER DEPARTURE CHARGE EUR 120.00 FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION. WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. WAIVERS MUST BE EVIDENCED BY DEATH CERTIFICATE. ------- THE FOLLOWING RULES APPLY PER FARE COMPONENT /DIRECTION. EXCEPTION- CHANGE FEE WILL BE THE HIGHEST OF ANY CHANGED FARE COMPONENT IN THE ITINERARY. -------- CHILD DISCOUNT DOES NOT APPLY. INFANT WITHOUT SEAT FREE OF CHARGE. -------- CHANGES NOT PERMITTED IN CASE OF NO SHOW. PLS REFER TO REFUND SECTION IF APPLICABLE. -------- CHANGES PERMITTED FOR REROUTING/REBOOKING. PROVIDED THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE COMPLIED WITH- REROUTING/REBOOKING PERMITTED PROVIDED ALL CONDITIONS OF THE NEW FARE EXCEPT ADVANCE PURCHASE ARE COMPLIED WITH. WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A HIGHER FARE THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE COLLECTED - AND - THE CHANGE FEE WILL BE APPLIED. WHEN THE NEW ITINERAY RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE A CREDIT OF THE RESIDUAL AMOUNT WILL BE MADE - AND - THE CHANGE FEE WILL BE APPLIED. -------- REVALIDATION/REBOOKING/REROUTING MUST BE FINALIZED BEFORE DEPARTURE OF THE ORIGINAL FLIGHT BEING CHANGED PROVIDED ALL CONDITIONS EXCEPT ADVANCE PURCHASE ARE COMPLIED WITH. IF NOT DONE BEFORE ORIGINAL FLIGHT BEING CHANGED TICKET WILL ONLY BE VALID FOR REFUND OR NOT APPLICABLE AT ALL. REISSUE/MCO ISSUANCE MUST BE MADE WITHIN 24 HOURS AFTER CHANGE OF RESERVATION BUT NOT LATER THAN DEPARTURE OF THE ORIGINAL FLIGHT BEING CHANGED. IF NOT DONE WITHIN 24 HOURS AFTER CHANGE OF RESERVATION AND BEFORE DEPARTURE OF THE ORIGINAL FLIGHT BEING CHANGED TICKET WILL ONLY BE VALID FOR REFUND OR NOT APPLICABLE AT ALL. [Combinations] END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED WITH FARES WITHIN AREA 1. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH NO RESTRICTIONS. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE FOR CARRIER UA/AC. OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/LESS THAN MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN FARE COMPONENT. -TO FORM ROUND TRIPS -TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS PERMITTED. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER LH/UA/ AC OR FOR CARRIER OS/LX/SN IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF IPRA - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2 IPRAI - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VIA ATL IPRSAA3 - SOUTH ATLANTIC/CENTRAL/SOUTH AMERICA/ MEXICO/CARIBBEAN/GREENLAND/ST PIERRE ET MIQUELON - AREA 3. [HIP/Mileage Exceptions] THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR STOPOVERS. [Ticket Endorsement] THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED - FL/CNX/CHG RESTRICTED - AND - CHECK FARE NOTE - IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX. [Children Discounts] CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH AND DISCOUNT PERCENT. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. FOR CHILDREN TURNING 12 YEARS ENROUTE - ADULT FARE HAS TO BE USED FOR THE ENTIRE JOURNEY. OR - INS/INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH AND DISCOUNT PERCENT. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER. OR - INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN AND DISCOUNT PERCENT. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. FOR INFANTS TURNING 2 YEARS ENROUTE - DUE TO SAFETY REGULATIONS - A BOOKED SEAT WILL BE REQUIRED FOR THE REMAINING PORTIONS OF THE JOURNEY. WHEN A SEPARATE SEAT IS REQUIRED ON A PORTION OF THE JOURNEY - CHILD FARE HAS TO BE USED FOR THE ENTIRE JOURNEY. OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-11. ID REQUIRED - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH AND DISCOUNT PERCENT. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. UNACCOMPANIED CHILD UNDER 5 YEARS OF AGE WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED FOR CARRIAGE. SERVICE CHARGE FOR UNACCOMPANIED CHILD APPLIES. FOR FURTHER INFO PLEASE CHECK GGAIRLHPT11INFO. [Tour Conductor Discounts] NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. DISCOUNTS NOT PERMITTED. [Agent Discounts] NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. AGENT DISCOUNTS NOT PERMITTED. [Eligibility] NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY. [Day/Time] NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY. [Blackout Dates] NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY. [Accompanied Travel] ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED. [Travel Restrictions] NO TRAVEL DATE RESTRICTIONS APPLY. [All Other Discounts] NO DISCOUNTS FOR OTHERS. [Miscellaneous Provisions] NO PROVISIONS APPLY. [Fare By Rule] NOT APPLICABLE. [Groups] NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY. [Tours] NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY. [Visit Another Country] NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY. [Deposits] NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY. [Voluntary Changes] NO VOLUNTARY CHANGES DATA FOUND. [Voluntary Refunds] NO VOLUNTARY REFUNDS DATA FOUND. [Negotiated Fares] NOT APPLICABLE. [International Construction] NOT A CONSTRUCTED FARE
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You can also go to Expedia.com and purchase it there - have done so quite a few times when Lufthansa had only Y/B available for a last-minute domestic flight, yet US-POS showed W-class...
Greetings - Dirk
Greetings - Dirk
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Expedia and other US POS OTAs will not have access to the 'vorzugpreise' ie the preferred fares TA/OTAs in Germany have. This can make a difference of 35-100 on the base fare. The trick around that is to have your german TA waitlist you in the lowest booking class that is available, then call the US to have your specific segment be updated with the US pos availbility and then ask your german TA to ticket with the preferred fare.
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 504
Expedia and other US POS OTAs will not have access to the 'vorzugpreise' ie the preferred fares TA/OTAs in Germany have. This can make a difference of 35-100 on the base fare. The trick around that is to have your german TA waitlist you in the lowest booking class that is available, then call the US to have your specific segment be updated with the US pos availbility and then ask your german TA to ticket with the preferred fare.
But thanks for the useful insight!
Slightly OT: Is it possible to change a return ticket BOS-FRA-TXL to JFK-FRA-TXL. Ticket is in S and issued in Germany. I remember that I once changed YUL-FRA into JFK-FRA without any problems, so I was hoping to do the same again?!
Best regards,
Moritz