FRA-TLV going from L/H to S/H - How do you feel about it? [merged]
Jul 12, 2012, 5:05 pm
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Jul 12, 2012, 5:17 pm
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it seems as it's going to be A330 on TLV-FRA and A320 TLV-MUC
the lufthansa.com/expedia systems and the winter schedule 12-13 topic in this group show A330.
but for some reason it's also been published (at an Israeli website) they are changing all routs to A320/1
but still....not able to book F on TLV-FRA. (but for some reason it lets you book F on A320 TLV-MUC this winter
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the lufthansa.com/expedia systems and the winter schedule 12-13 topic in this group show A330.
but for some reason it's also been published (at an Israeli website) they are changing all routs to A320/1
but still....not able to book F on TLV-FRA. (but for some reason it lets you book F on A320 TLV-MUC this winter
)
Jul 12, 2012, 5:30 pm
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Jul 12, 2012, 11:55 pm
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I think if true (and I read this on the israeli new site as well) it's a really bad move on LH's behalf.
The route has offered a L/H product for years and while I'm sure people can live with losing F on a 4 hour flight, losing the L/H business is a very different matter.
I know plenty of Senators traveling the route for connections and i can't see them sticking with LH if the route goes S/H.
The route has offered a L/H product for years and while I'm sure people can live with losing F on a 4 hour flight, losing the L/H business is a very different matter.
I know plenty of Senators traveling the route for connections and i can't see them sticking with LH if the route goes S/H.
Jul 13, 2012, 2:05 am
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FRA TLV will stay three class, too much business at stake, LH knows that.
To the original question, LH currently has 6 340-300 aircraft configured to be 2 class, they do fixed service to various destinations already.
The new two class 744 and 343 (with new C) are yet to be refitted into a two class config, so you won't see any appearing in the schedules till the Summer 2013 plan is published.
To the original question, LH currently has 6 340-300 aircraft configured to be 2 class, they do fixed service to various destinations already.
The new two class 744 and 343 (with new C) are yet to be refitted into a two class config, so you won't see any appearing in the schedules till the Summer 2013 plan is published.
Jul 13, 2012, 4:16 am
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FRA TLV will stay three class, too much business at stake, LH knows that.
To the original question, LH currently has 6 340-300 aircraft configured to be 2 class, they do fixed service to various destinations already.
The new two class 744 and 343 (with new C) are yet to be refitted into a two class config, so you won't see any appearing in the schedules till the Summer 2013 plan is published.
To the original question, LH currently has 6 340-300 aircraft configured to be 2 class, they do fixed service to various destinations already.
The new two class 744 and 343 (with new C) are yet to be refitted into a two class config, so you won't see any appearing in the schedules till the Summer 2013 plan is published.
do you have any idea why you cant book F in the LH website for this winter on TLV-FRA?
do all LH A330 have F class?
Jul 13, 2012, 7:13 am
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I tried booking F on LH.com and I got this...
Jul 13, 2012, 7:58 am
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Jul 13, 2012, 8:08 am
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TLV is the only destination in that area they serve with longhaul, recently CAI and previously AMM lost the widebody service. If there is revenue to be had, its in the TLV sector, surely LH knows that. I doubt the DL/CO(UA)/US direct TATL services have hit LH that badly. Who knows. If Easyjet and co kill the yield to TLV ex Europe then filling the widebody and making money on it may convince LH to deploy their aircraft some place else. We all don't know or see the figures they have.
Jul 13, 2012, 8:18 am
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I can live with long-haul Business from FRA but no way would I put up with 4+ hours in a Y seat sold as C. At least LX still offers long-haul C and BA has three class F on one of its daily LHR flights.
If there is revenue to be had, its in the TLV sector, surely LH knows that. I doubt the DL/CO(UA)/US direct TATL services have hit LH that badly. Who knows. If Easyjet and co kill the yield to TLV ex Europe then filling the widebody and making money on it may convince LH to deploy their aircraft some place else. We all don't know or see the figures they have.
Jul 13, 2012, 3:12 pm
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TLV is the only destination in that area they serve with longhaul, recently CAI and previously AMM lost the widebody service. If there is revenue to be had, its in the TLV sector, surely LH knows that. I doubt the DL/CO(UA)/US direct TATL services have hit LH that badly. Who knows. If Easyjet and co kill the yield to TLV ex Europe then filling the widebody and making money on it may convince LH to deploy their aircraft some place else. We all don't know or see the figures they have.
Jul 13, 2012, 7:18 pm
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I am asking myself if LH maybe canibalized itself by introducing MUC with a long haul plane. Why bother flying via FRA if I can fly via MUC and I am sure a big portion of european connecting traffic decided to fly via MUC instead on the day flight. What I hope they will do is to offer BER-TLV and MUC-TLV with short haul planes catering to leasure / non premium traffic with goal to operate them as profitable O & D traffic and continue to offer a premium service with a 3 class product on both daily flights via FRA anythig else would not make sense considering the high ratio of HON's and SEN's living in Israel.