Go Back   FlyerTalk Forums > Miles&Points > Airlines and Mileage Programs > Lufthansa, Austrian, Swiss, Brussels, LOT and Other Partners | Miles & More
Sign in using an external account

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old Jul 15, 12, 8:58 am   #1
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 286
Is M&M as bad as it seems?

I'm on United MileagePlus, my partner is now on M&M after switching from bmi's DC.

FRA-DBV gave over 600 miles on MP, 150 on M&M.

Despite the huge difference, you can get away with a round trip within Europe on MP with 25000 (normally 50000) miles, whereas it is 30000 on M&M! Even if you don't get a saver at 25k and have to go with the 50k, the difference in miles awarded seems pretty shocking.

Did I make a mistake putting the bf on M&M? That's four flight segments done there which is a shame, but better to leave ship for a better *A now if needed... or am I missing something?

Thanks!
Dan1113 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jul 15, 12, 9:12 am   #2
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Programs: BA Gold, TK Elite Plus
Posts: 1,337
If your bf is mostly flying on (discounted) Y fares, then yes, you made a mistake.
sschwenk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jul 15, 12, 9:19 am   #3
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 286
Sigh! Are there any *A programmes you would recommend instead?
Dan1113 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jul 15, 12, 9:25 am   #4
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: WIE
Programs: AC S100K, SPG Gold, HH Diamond, Hertz 5* Gold
Posts: 2,478
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan1113 View Post
Sigh! Are there any *A programmes you would recommend instead?
Have a look at this thread:

Need advice on which *A FF scheme to join? - please post here
ACflyerDE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jul 15, 12, 10:40 am   #5
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Between AMS and BRU
Posts: 5,981
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan1113 View Post
Sigh! Are there any *A programmes you would recommend instead?
Why haven't you done your research before crediting miles? No need to sigh then
RTW1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jul 15, 12, 10:42 am   #6
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 286
Well we are not super frequent flyers (anymore) so I figured just going for the main programme with the airline we'd be flying the most would do. They all seem to be kind of similar these days. Just wasn't expecting it to be that bad!
Dan1113 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jul 15, 12, 10:49 am   #7
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Between AMS and BRU
Posts: 5,981
If you don't fly that frequent and then only on cheap intra Europe flights you won't get a usefull mileage balance for a long time. M&M might be usefull if you can get 30 flights/legs a year so you qualify for FTL. At least you get lounge access at some places, business check in and some extra luggage.
RTW1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jul 15, 12, 10:49 am   #8
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
Programs: OneSky Alliance Elite+ with Zirconium and oak leaf cluster, Braniff Unobtainium
Posts: 10,149
Unless you'll be flying on LH enough to get status, LH is a terrible place to put miles; expiration, bad mileage chart loaded with lots of fuel surcharges and fees, lots of booking classes that get limited mileage.

The BD forum is discussing Avianca LifeMiles as a replacement for Diamond Club.

Avianca Lifemiles is the "new Diamond Club"

https://www.lifemiles.com/eng/inc/starredawards.aspx

Their chart looks OK in some places (and they both sell miles and don't have fuel surcharges).

Hope this helps.
eponymous_coward is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jul 15, 12, 12:06 pm   #9
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: In transit between DUS, LCY and NYC
Programs: Severals Golds (BA, BD, AB and LH), Highest tier with HH, SPG and ICRA, lawyer, sometimes a nice guy
Posts: 8,345
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan1113 View Post
I'm on United MileagePlus, my partner is now on M&M after switching from bmi's DC.

FRA-DBV gave over 600 miles on MP, 150 on M&M.

Despite the huge difference, you can get away with a round trip within Europe on MP with 25000 (normally 50000) miles, whereas it is 30000 on M&M! Even if you don't get a saver at 25k and have to go with the 50k, the difference in miles awarded seems pretty shocking.

Did I make a mistake putting the bf on M&M? That's four flight segments done there which is a shame, but better to leave ship for a better *A now if needed... or am I missing something?

Thanks!
Most likely you did not get 150 but 125 miles and even more likely you would have gotten zero miles with bd because the cheapest Eco fares on LH and friends did not score any miles.




Quote:
Originally Posted by eponymous_coward View Post
Unless you'll be flying on LH enough to get status, LH is a terrible place to put miles; expiration, bad mileage chart loaded with lots of fuel surcharges and fees, lots of booking classes that get limited mileage.

The BD forum is discussing Avianca LifeMiles as a replacement for Diamond Club.

Avianca Lifemiles is the "new Diamond Club"

https://www.lifemiles.com/eng/inc/starredawards.aspx

Their chart looks OK in some places (and they both sell miles and don't have fuel surcharges).

Hope this helps.
You should add another IF. As long as you don't want to redeem on LH and you feel comfortable that certain other airlines do not get down the drain, other programmes can be better. Availability on LH for LH's customers is better and there.are as financially stable as an airline can be.
__________________

Do not feel offended by my posts - remember, I am a simple minded litigation lawyer.
Flying Lawyer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jul 15, 12, 1:03 pm   #10
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Geneva
Programs: LX HON, BA Gold, AFKL Platinum
Posts: 1,613
If I'm not mistaken, both UA and AV require a minimum number of flights on UA/AV t be taken.

Look at SK as well.
MichielR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jul 15, 12, 6:00 pm   #11
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
Programs: OneSky Alliance Elite+ with Zirconium and oak leaf cluster, Braniff Unobtainium
Posts: 10,149
Quote:
Originally Posted by MichielR View Post
If I'm not mistaken, both UA and AV require a minimum number of flights on UA/AV t be taken.

Look at SK as well.
For status, yes, but not for simple membership. Per the OP: "Well we are not super frequent flyers (anymore)".

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying Lawyer View Post
You should add another IF. As long as you don't want to redeem on LH and you feel comfortable that certain other airlines do not get down the drain, other programmes can be better. Availability on LH for LH's customers is better and there.are as financially stable as an airline can be.
Which is only really influential if you redeem in F and if you don't mind the large fuel surcharges, as long as we're adding if statements. It will take considerable intermittent flying to acquire the six digit mileage balances needed for LH F redemptions, especially if the OP and partner are typically in the travel classes where they are getting 25% mileage...

I think it quite unlikely that UA or US would enter bankruptcy in such a way that they completely eliminate the value of their FF miles as part of a liquidation- simple Chapter 11 has kept the frequent flyer programs around. Avianca you might have a point about- I could see a Latin American *A airline exiting messily like Mexicana did, and that should be accounted for in your earn/burn strategy. But in 10 years, who knows where LH will be if EK and FR keep taking away the top and the bottom of their customer base, and the best strategy is "earn and burn" anyway. Mileage always loses value over time.

Last edited by eponymous_coward; Jul 15, 12 at 6:12 pm.
eponymous_coward is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Bookmarks


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 5:30 pm.