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Dan1113 Jul 15, 2012 7:58 am

Is M&M as bad as it seems?
 
I'm on United MileagePlus, my partner is now on M&M after switching from bmi's DC.

FRA-DBV gave over 600 miles on MP, 150 on M&M.

Despite the huge difference, you can get away with a round trip within Europe on MP with 25000 (normally 50000) miles, whereas it is 30000 on M&M! Even if you don't get a saver at 25k and have to go with the 50k, the difference in miles awarded seems pretty shocking.

Did I make a mistake putting the bf on M&M? That's four flight segments done there which is a shame, but better to leave ship for a better *A now if needed... or am I missing something?

Thanks!

LCY8737 Jul 15, 2012 8:12 am

If your bf is mostly flying on (discounted) Y fares, then yes, you made a mistake.

Dan1113 Jul 15, 2012 8:19 am

Sigh! Are there any *A programmes you would recommend instead?

ACflyerDE Jul 15, 2012 8:25 am


Originally Posted by Dan1113 (Post 18932805)
Sigh! Are there any *A programmes you would recommend instead?

Have a look at this thread:

Need advice on which *A FF scheme to join? - please post here

RTW1 Jul 15, 2012 9:40 am


Originally Posted by Dan1113 (Post 18932805)
Sigh! Are there any *A programmes you would recommend instead?

Why haven't you done your research before crediting miles? No need to sigh then :confused:

Dan1113 Jul 15, 2012 9:42 am

Well we are not super frequent flyers (anymore) so I figured just going for the main programme with the airline we'd be flying the most would do. They all seem to be kind of similar these days. Just wasn't expecting it to be that bad!

RTW1 Jul 15, 2012 9:49 am

If you don't fly that frequent and then only on cheap intra Europe flights you won't get a usefull mileage balance for a long time. M&M might be usefull if you can get 30 flights/legs a year so you qualify for FTL. At least you get lounge access at some places, business check in and some extra luggage.

eponymous_coward Jul 15, 2012 9:49 am

Unless you'll be flying on LH enough to get status, LH is a terrible place to put miles; expiration, bad mileage chart loaded with lots of fuel surcharges and fees, lots of booking classes that get limited mileage.

The BD forum is discussing Avianca LifeMiles as a replacement for Diamond Club.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/bmi-d...mond-club.html

https://www.lifemiles.com/eng/inc/starredawards.aspx

Their chart looks OK in some places (and they both sell miles and don't have fuel surcharges).

Hope this helps.

Flying Lawyer Jul 15, 2012 11:06 am


Originally Posted by Dan1113 (Post 18932721)
I'm on United MileagePlus, my partner is now on M&M after switching from bmi's DC.

FRA-DBV gave over 600 miles on MP, 150 on M&M.

Despite the huge difference, you can get away with a round trip within Europe on MP with 25000 (normally 50000) miles, whereas it is 30000 on M&M! Even if you don't get a saver at 25k and have to go with the 50k, the difference in miles awarded seems pretty shocking.

Did I make a mistake putting the bf on M&M? That's four flight segments done there which is a shame, but better to leave ship for a better *A now if needed... or am I missing something?

Thanks!

Most likely you did not get 150 but 125 miles and even more likely you would have gotten zero miles with bd because the cheapest Eco fares on LH and friends did not score any miles.





Originally Posted by eponymous_coward (Post 18933136)
Unless you'll be flying on LH enough to get status, LH is a terrible place to put miles; expiration, bad mileage chart loaded with lots of fuel surcharges and fees, lots of booking classes that get limited mileage.

The BD forum is discussing Avianca LifeMiles as a replacement for Diamond Club.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/bmi-d...mond-club.html

https://www.lifemiles.com/eng/inc/starredawards.aspx

Their chart looks OK in some places (and they both sell miles and don't have fuel surcharges).

Hope this helps.

You should add another IF. As long as you don't want to redeem on LH and you feel comfortable that certain other airlines do not get down the drain, other programmes can be better. Availability on LH for LH's customers is better and there.are as financially stable as an airline can be.

MichielR Jul 15, 2012 12:03 pm

If I'm not mistaken, both UA and AV require a minimum number of flights on UA/AV t be taken.

Look at SK as well.

eponymous_coward Jul 15, 2012 5:00 pm


Originally Posted by MichielR (Post 18933798)
If I'm not mistaken, both UA and AV require a minimum number of flights on UA/AV t be taken.

Look at SK as well.

For status, yes, but not for simple membership. Per the OP: "Well we are not super frequent flyers (anymore)".


Originally Posted by Flying Lawyer (Post 18933502)
You should add another IF. As long as you don't want to redeem on LH and you feel comfortable that certain other airlines do not get down the drain, other programmes can be better. Availability on LH for LH's customers is better and there.are as financially stable as an airline can be.

Which is only really influential if you redeem in F and if you don't mind the large fuel surcharges, as long as we're adding if statements. It will take considerable intermittent flying to acquire the six digit mileage balances needed for LH F redemptions, especially if the OP and partner are typically in the travel classes where they are getting 25% mileage...

I think it quite unlikely that UA or US would enter bankruptcy in such a way that they completely eliminate the value of their FF miles as part of a liquidation- simple Chapter 11 has kept the frequent flyer programs around. Avianca you might have a point about- I could see a Latin American *A airline exiting messily like Mexicana did, and that should be accounted for in your earn/burn strategy. But in 10 years, who knows where LH will be if EK and FR keep taking away the top and the bottom of their customer base, and the best strategy is "earn and burn" anyway. Mileage always loses value over time.


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