LAX T4-T5 connector tunnel (now open)
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LAX T4-T5 connector tunnel (now open)
While there have been other posts about the forthcoming new T4 to TBIT connector that is being built at LAX, this Facebook post from LAX today says that the connector will actually connect TBIT to "Terminals 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8." To me that suggests that LAX will be reopening the mid-concourse T4-T5 tunnel which will reconnect with the already-open T5-T6 tunnel that will then sort-of connect to the T6-T7-T8 walkway near security. Unwieldy to be sure, but this is LAX after all. And the sterile connection from T4 to AS in T6 will definitely be helpful.
So am I reading this right, or does LAX actually mean to suggest an entirely *new* corridor connecting TBIT-T4-T5-T6-T7-T8?
(FYI the link to the PDF on the FB page below also mentions "A new passenger bus port for two-way travel between TBIT and Terminals 5 through 8")
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
So am I reading this right, or does LAX actually mean to suggest an entirely *new* corridor connecting TBIT-T4-T5-T6-T7-T8?
(FYI the link to the PDF on the FB page below also mentions "A new passenger bus port for two-way travel between TBIT and Terminals 5 through 8")
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
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It certainly seems logical to open the tunnel. That doesn't mean it will happen, so I'm glad to see LAWA strongly implying that it will happen. It has been stated often here that AA would like to open the tunnel but Delta resists, presumably because the benefit would mostly be to AA (simplifying AA-AS connections).
Once a T4-TBIT connector is open, however, Delta might well be more interested because it would also enable a behind-security connection (albeit with a long walk) from T5 to the Sky Team partners in TBIT. That said, Delta's current and future joint venture partners (most AF flights and all KLM, Virgin Australia, and Virgin Atlantic departures) are in T2 or T3, and Delta has made it very clear that they care about joint venture partners but not other Sky Team partners.
Once a T4-TBIT connector is open, however, Delta might well be more interested because it would also enable a behind-security connection (albeit with a long walk) from T5 to the Sky Team partners in TBIT. That said, Delta's current and future joint venture partners (most AF flights and all KLM, Virgin Australia, and Virgin Atlantic departures) are in T2 or T3, and Delta has made it very clear that they care about joint venture partners but not other Sky Team partners.
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It should never have been closed in the first place. The dolt responsible for that decision should be caned and terminated.
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This is good news, but quite frankly, rather than long underground tunnels, I'd much rather have an air-side, elevated DFW-type tram. Or, if they do have to be tunnels, then it'd be more efficient to lay them out in a star pattern with the center below the TBIT parking garage and the spokes radiating out to (airside) terminal connections.
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I guess I'm one of the few that would rather see AA with a strategic advantage of having its own connection to TBIT. Opening the T4-T5 tunnel allows seamless operations for DL/Skyteam between T5-TBIT. I'll deal with the shuttle bus if it preserves this advantage for AA/OW.
The only reason For opening the tunnel is if AA is finally going to exercise their options for any gates in T6.
The only reason For opening the tunnel is if AA is finally going to exercise their options for any gates in T6.
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This is good news, but quite frankly, rather than long underground tunnels, I'd much rather have an air-side, elevated DFW-type tram. Or, if they do have to be tunnels, then it'd be more efficient to lay them out in a star pattern with the center below the TBIT parking garage and the spokes radiating out to (airside) terminal connections.
Hub-spoke tunnel system under the existing garages would be even more expensive and complex without shutting down the garages not to mention the roadways. At any rate, I believe much of that underground space is already being occupied by utilities connected to the new power plant.
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This is good news, but quite frankly, rather than long underground tunnels, I'd much rather have an air-side, elevated DFW-type tram. Or, if they do have to be tunnels, then it'd be more efficient to lay them out in a star pattern with the center below the TBIT parking garage and the spokes radiating out to (airside) terminal connections.
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I don't recall who, exactly, gave the order to close the tunnels but IIRC, all of the south side tunnels were locked in late 2001. In the years since, however, all of the tunnels were re-opened except for the T-4 to T-5 tunnel. With AS now in T-6, I'd vote to re-open the T-4 tunnel.
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As a customer, I'll take more competition from suppliers any day over one of them having a "strategic advantage" over another. What's good for the supplier is almost always bad for me, the customer.
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This new building also includes a bus station to permit other southside airlines to bus their passengers to/from TBIT if they choose.
Eventually, the skybridge that will connect TBIT West to TBIT (tall enough for jets to pass underneath) will have two levels - one a walkway and the other automated (I think some sort of tram). That bridge is shown in renderings to continue as far as T-4 or T-5. And of course, those renderings include Mayor Hahn's suspended proposal to demolish the central parking garages and build a huge consolidated terminal in their place for the northside terminals, complete with the off-site check-in building and automated people mover.
In the wake of last month's city council vote on the LAX improvements, including the almost $100 million TBIT to T-4 building, some of the media reported that the city council had green-lighted the central terminal project. I'm not sure that happened.
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I guess I'm one of the few that would rather see AA with a strategic advantage of having its own connection to TBIT. Opening the T4-T5 tunnel allows seamless operations for DL/Skyteam between T5-TBIT. I'll deal with the shuttle bus if it preserves this advantage for AA/OW.
The only reason For opening the tunnel is if AA is finally going to exercise their options for any gates in T6.
The only reason For opening the tunnel is if AA is finally going to exercise their options for any gates in T6.
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There won't be a new corridor connecting T-4 to the other southside terminals. As they're already connected with the tunnels, this new TBIT to T-4 building will enable sterile walking (if the T-4 tunnel is reopened).
This new building also includes a bus station to permit other southside airlines to bus their passengers to/from TBIT if they choose.
This new building also includes a bus station to permit other southside airlines to bus their passengers to/from TBIT if they choose.
http://www.lawa.org/newsContent.aspx?ID=1727
Having said that, it is fairly stupid that a perfectly good T4-T5 tunnel remains mothballed, especially since the T5-T7 part remains open. I'm not even sure it is LAX's fault, isn't it some sort of pi$$ing match b/t AA and DL involving AS connections or something?
Eventually, the skybridge that will connect TBIT West to TBIT (tall enough for jets to pass underneath) will have two levels - one a walkway and the other automated (I think some sort of tram). That bridge is shown in renderings to continue as far as T-4 or T-5. And of course, those renderings include Mayor Hahn's suspended proposal to demolish the central parking garages and build a huge consolidated terminal in their place for the northside terminals, complete with the off-site check-in building and automated people mover.
http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.fil...phpOD7heu.jpeg
http://www.lawa.org/mscnorth/theproject.aspx (upper-right hand pic)