anyone know where the exit row seats are in economy for the new 77W???? my agent booked my flight n i got row 40. i looked at expedia but their seat maps are kind of hard to figure out
anyone know where the exit row seats are in economy for the new 77W???? my agent booked my flight n i got row 40. i looked at expedia but their seat maps are kind of hard to figure out
When I booked Korean, R/T from ATL - BKK, they were flying a B744 from ATL-ICN-ATL and a B777 from ICN-BKK-ICN. Since there were five of us it was difficult enough to get seats all together much less decent seats.
The B744 flight, March 4th, was primarily a cattlecar in Y class. 18+ hours. Very uncomfortable to say the least. I don't know if this plane had the new seating arrangement, with more legroom, but it did have AVOD in the seatbacks. If this aircraft did include the new seat pitch then Korean unfortunately has not done anything different for it's Y class customers.
The B777 flight was much better and gave decent legroom. Too bad they can't use the B777 on the ATL-ICN route.
Korean called recently to tell me that they had changed the aircraft, for the May 5th flight BKK-ICN, from the B777 to a B744. Of course the seat map is not the same. Already had good seating for the return flights and now had to accept alternate seating that is not as good. Have no idea why they changed aircraft. Can't believe they can fill up a B774 from Bangkok to Seoul. The B777 was only 70% full.
Another thing is that I have way over 100,000 FF miles with Delta and could not use them R/T from ATL-BKK no matter what partnering airlines were involved. Tried everything and could find nothing. Sure, if you want to fly Air France through Paris for 240,000 FF Miles then they may have something. Since Korean is one of their partnering airlines I would have figured that Skymiles seats would have been available.
I'm beginning to think that the FF miles programs are a total fraud with all airlines. Maybe the FAA or Consumer Protection Agency should look into these bogus practices.
When I booked Korean, R/T from ATL - BKK, they were flying a B744 from ATL-ICN-ATL and a B777 from ICN-BKK-ICN. Since there were five of us it was difficult enough to get seats all together much less decent seats.
The B744 flight, March 4th, was primarily a cattlecar in Y class. 18+ hours. Very uncomfortable to say the least. I don't know if this plane had the new seating arrangement, with more legroom, but it did have AVOD in the seatbacks. If this aircraft did include the new seat pitch then Korean unfortunately has not done anything different for it's Y class customers.
The B777 flight was much better and gave decent legroom. Too bad they can't use the B777 on the ATL-ICN route.
Well, after all, it's still an economy seat and for 18+ hours of flying, it is going to be rather painful and uncomfortable. If you are a tall person, I can understand your frustrations.
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Korean called recently to tell me that they had changed the aircraft, for the May 5th flight BKK-ICN, from the B777 to a B744. Of course the seat map is not the same. Already had good seating for the return flights and now had to accept alternate seating that is not as good. Have no idea why they changed aircraft. Can't believe they can fill up a B774 from Bangkok to Seoul. The B777 was only 70% full.
Korea-BKK route is very popular route and most of the time, economy is full (due to honeymooners and leisure travelers). Your one or two time flights on this route with one particular carrier does not provide any solid evidence as to the route cannot be serviced by a larger plane. Clearly, of my 30+ flights on this route with TG, OZ, and KE (which in total, approximately 8 daily flights), economy class has had very good load factor. And my observations are throughout different months of the year (Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, Aug, Sep, Nov, Dec).
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Another thing is that I have way over 100,000 FF miles with Delta and could not use them R/T from ATL-BKK no matter what partnering airlines were involved. Tried everything and could find nothing. Sure, if you want to fly Air France through Paris for 240,000 FF Miles then they may have something. Since Korean is one of their partnering airlines I would have figured that Skymiles seats would have been available.
I'm beginning to think that the FF miles programs are a total fraud with all airlines. Maybe the FAA or Consumer Protection Agency should look into these bogus practices.
Well, I welcome you to the FT and hopefully you will be able to gain some information and experience on how to utilize your miles. The key idea is to be flexible. And 100,000 miles, while to most people is a lot of mileage, to FTers it is really not that much.
A tip on DL miles... The 30K mile intra-asia award in business class, I repeat, business class, is the GEM of DL mileage chart. KE, NW, and CZ (I think China Southern) can be used for this award and KE usually has very good award availability for this. I have already utilized 5 of such award, including the one I am taking on Wednesday PVG-ICN-(BKK)-PUS, all on KE, using 30K DL miles. So, do some lurking and asking around in the DL forum on how to use your DL miles and you won't be as frustrated as before. Good luck!
When I booked Korean, R/T from ATL - BKK, they were flying a B744 from ATL-ICN-ATL and a B777 from ICN-BKK-ICN. Since there were five of us it was difficult enough to get seats all together much less decent seats.
The B744 flight, March 4th, was primarily a cattlecar in Y class. 18+ hours. Very uncomfortable to say the least. I don't know if this plane had the new seating arrangement, with more legroom, but it did have AVOD in the seatbacks. If this aircraft did include the new seat pitch then Korean unfortunately has not done anything different for it's Y class customers.
The B777 flight was much better and gave decent legroom. Too bad they can't use the B777 on the ATL-ICN route.
Korean called recently to tell me that they had changed the aircraft, for the May 5th flight BKK-ICN, from the B777 to a B744. Of course the seat map is not the same. Already had good seating for the return flights and now had to accept alternate seating that is not as good. Have no idea why they changed aircraft. Can't believe they can fill up a B774 from Bangkok to Seoul. The B777 was only 70% full.
Another thing is that I have way over 100,000 FF miles with Delta and could not use them R/T from ATL-BKK no matter what partnering airlines were involved. Tried everything and could find nothing. Sure, if you want to fly Air France through Paris for 240,000 FF Miles then they may have something. Since Korean is one of their partnering airlines I would have figured that Skymiles seats would have been available.
I'm beginning to think that the FF miles programs are a total fraud with all airlines. Maybe the FAA or Consumer Protection Agency should look into these bogus practices.
As far as I know, there has been no seating reconfiguration at all for both 747s and 777s. All KE's widebodies have 34' pitch for Y, which is better than their American competitors; DL(NW) and UA which configure Y with 31' pitch.
Also, ATL-ICN does not last 18+ hours. Probably around 16 hours at most.
Well, after all, it's still an economy seat and for 18+ hours of flying, it is going to be rather painful and uncomfortable. If you are a tall person, I can understand your frustrations.
I am only 5' 9" and my wife is 5'. Still uncomfortable. Would hate to be over 6' tall and weigh more than 150 lbs. That would be unbearable.
Korea-BKK route is very popular route and most of the time, economy is full (due to honeymooners and leisure travelers). Your one or two time flights on this route with one particular carrier does not provide any solid evidence as to the route cannot be serviced by a larger plane. Clearly, of my 30+ flights on this route with TG, OZ, and KE (which in total, approximately 8 daily flights), economy class has had very good load factor. And my observations are throughout different months of the year (Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, Aug, Sep, Nov, Dec).
I was not trying to provide solid evidence for anything. Was simply stating an observation. I don't really care why Korean changed their aircraft. Would have been nice to know in advance so that the 5 seats I booked could have been reallocated based upon configuration differences between aircraft.
Well, I welcome you to the FT and hopefully you will be able to gain some information and experience on how to utilize your miles. The key idea is to be flexible. And 100,000 miles, while to most people is a lot of mileage, to FTers it is really not that much.
A tip on DL miles... The 30K mile intra-asia award in business class, I repeat, business class, is the GEM of DL mileage chart. KE, NW, and CZ (I think China Southern) can be used for this award and KE usually has very good award availability for this. I have already utilized 5 of such award, including the one I am taking on Wednesday PVG-ICN-(BKK)-PUS, all on KE, using 30K DL miles. So, do some lurking and asking around in the DL forum on how to use your DL miles and you won't be as frustrated as before. Good luck!
Appreciate that you are a FF as am I. I am currently retired. However, my work took me all over the planet and I had managed to get all sorts of upgrades and perks while I was working. I have been a member of the Delta Skymiles program for maybe 30 years or so and during those times was treated very well by Delta and their partnering airlines. However, as of the last 3 or 4 years Delta IMO has become a bottom feeder along with some of it's partners. They have also become an airline that is fraudulent in its practices, especially with its Skymiles program. According to Delta's Skymiles program schedule you should be able to utilize 30,000, 60,000, or 90,000 Skymiles to fly R/T from anywhere in the US to Southeast Asia. This is an impossibility and Delta knows it. It's deceptive advertising and Delta should be forced to change their Skymiles program rules accordingly or be investigated and/or prosecuted by the Consumer Protection Agency. Since, through mergers and additions to it's Skymiles program, Delta has become the largest airline in the world, they now have control over so many other airlines procedures. Luckily I am old enough whereby I might not fly again. That suits me fine considering the disregard most airlines these days have for their customers.
Hello to all I'm a newbie here. I am also taking Korean Air this summer. It's my first time actually taking this airline. I've heard many great things about this airline regarding their service in economy class from some friends who take Korean Air. When I go back to my homeland (Philippines), I usually take Cathay Pacific or Asiana. But since my travel agent got me a low price for Korean Air, I couldn't resist. I booked flight KE082 for July 8th and the itinerary my agent provided me says the equipment is a 777-300ER (77W) from NYC-Seoul. Is this a new addition to the airline's fleet? What can I expect on this flight? Will there be AVOD in the Y Class seats? I hope the seat pitch is good!
As for the flight from Seoul to Cebu, it will be a A330-300. Do the economy class passengers have the luxury of having personal tv screens?
Well, after all, it's still an economy seat and for 18+ hours of flying, it is going to be rather painful and uncomfortable. If you are a tall person, I can understand your frustrations.
Korea-BKK route is very popular route and most of the time, economy is full (due to honeymooners and leisure travelers). Your one or two time flights on this route with one particular carrier does not provide any solid evidence as to the route cannot be serviced by a larger plane. Clearly, of my 30+ flights on this route with TG, OZ, and KE (which in total, approximately 8 daily flights), economy class has had very good load factor. And my observations are throughout different months of the year (Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, Aug, Sep, Nov, Dec).
Well, I welcome you to the FT and hopefully you will be able to gain some information and experience on how to utilize your miles. The key idea is to be flexible. And 100,000 miles, while to most people is a lot of mileage, to FTers it is really not that much.
A tip on DL miles... The 30K mile intra-asia award in business class, I repeat, business class, is the GEM of DL mileage chart. KE, NW, and CZ (I think China Southern) can be used for this award and KE usually has very good award availability for this. I have already utilized 5 of such award, including the one I am taking on Wednesday PVG-ICN-(BKK)-PUS, all on KE, using 30K DL miles. So, do some lurking and asking around in the DL forum on how to use your DL miles and you won't be as frustrated as before. Good luck!
I guess that I would try to use 30K FFMs to upgrade. Or possibly most or all of my miles to upgrade for both legs if I were traveling alone. However, there are 5 of us traveling.
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As far as I know, there has been no seating reconfiguration at all for both 747s and 777s. All KE's widebodies have 34' pitch for Y, which is better than their American competitors; DL(NW) and UA which configure Y with 31' pitch.
I agree that DL, NW, United, and some other American carriers configure their Y class so that your knees are pressed against your chest. Delightfull. However, the 34" pitch did not seem to make much of a difference. Afterall, we're talking about only 3 inches here. My beef is that airlines somehow feel that the 99% of its customers, traveling in Y class, should be relegated to a little more than 30 inches of room including the seat itself. Every airline should force it's senior staff and executives to fly Y class only no matter where they are flying. Things would definately change drastically about 2 days after that policy was implemented.
Also, ATL-ICN does not last 18+ hours. Probably around 16 hours at most.
Maybe it just felt like 18+ hours. 16 hours/18 hours. Who's counting?
Wow, KE seems to offer good deal indeed. There are many FTers taking KE from US to Philippine this summer. Your 77W will have AVOD with nice and roomy seat, but ICN-CEB won't have personal TV. Enjoy your trip!!
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Hello to all I'm a newbie here. I am also taking Korean Air this summer. It's my first time actually taking this airline. I've heard many great things about this airline regarding their service in economy class from some friends who take Korean Air. When I go back to my homeland (Philippines), I usually take Cathay Pacific or Asiana. But since my travel agent got me a low price for Korean Air, I couldn't resist. I booked flight KE082 for July 8th and the itinerary my agent provided me says the equipment is a 777-300ER (77W) from NYC-Seoul. Is this a new addition to the airline's fleet? What can I expect on this flight? Will there be AVOD in the Y Class seats? I hope the seat pitch is good!
As for the flight from Seoul to Cebu, it will be a A330-300. Do the economy class passengers have the luxury of having personal tv screens?
Wow, KE seems to offer good deal indeed. There are many FTers taking KE from US to Philippine this summer. Your 77W will have AVOD with nice and roomy seat, but ICN-CEB won't have personal TV. Enjoy your trip!!
Thank you so much for the reply. I appreciate it!
Yea, the deal Korean Air gave was something I could not turn down. I had to sacrifice my miles with Cathay but it's ok. I've been wanting to try out Korean Air since I have a lot of fellow Filipinos who take it and have great feedback about it.
I just wanted to make sure the new 777-300ER had AVOD in Economy Class for KE082. I assumed it would since it is a new aircraft, so it would make sense for it to have new type of seats as well. But I'm glad that you confirmed that there'll be AVOD on my flight! I see that this same exact plane will be flying to Bangkok as well? I really like the 777-300ER especially Cathay's. I love the sound of those loud engines when they start! Hehe
What's the difference between the 'Kosmo Suites' to the 'Kosmo Sleeper'? There's nothing on the KE site regarding the 'Kosmo Suites'. Are the suites the new generation seats that they'll be launching soon to the public?
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Thanks! Now I get to see where I'm sitting on the plane. Looks like the Lav is right behind me though so I might get limited recline.
The "Kosmo Suites" are most likely the new product for first class. Doesn't Korean Air get its first 77W next month? They probably posted the seat map early since its already showing for the JFK flights (KE081/082) on their schedule
What's the difference between the 'Kosmo Suites' to the 'Kosmo Sleeper'? There's nothing on the KE site regarding the 'Kosmo Suites'. Are the suites the new generation seats that they'll be launching soon to the public?
Good luck!
