Transavia metal on KL-operated flight
Feb 18, 2017, 7:39 am
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Transavia metal on KL-operated flight
Check out the recent flight history (since 06 Feb) of PH-HZX. It's being used as a KLM plane. KLM crew, KLM service but Transavia seats and pitch. Has anyone flew? Is this normal for a full service airline like KLM?
Feb 18, 2017, 9:23 am
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For a limited time only
From the TA website:
Tijdelijke aanpassing vliegtuigen naar een aantal Europese bestemmingen
In de periode van 6 februari 2017 tot en met 24 maart 2017 vliegt KLM Cityhopper (KLC) tijdelijk met Transavia-toestellen naar een aantal Europese bestemmingen.
De reden van de tijdelijke aanpassing is dat KLM in deze periode een aantal vluchten van KLM Cityhopper overneemt en een leaseovereenkomst met Transavia heeft gesloten om deze vluchten te kunnen verzorgen.
De toestellen van Transavia;
- beschikken alleen over een Economy Class-cabine en hebben geen Europe Business Class en Economy Comfort Class
- hebben een KLM-crew en –catering aan boord
- kunnen tegemoet komen aan alle speciale verzoeken (SSR’s) met uitzondering van stretchers (SR STCR)
Aanvullende informatie;
- Europe Business Class-passagiers worden persoonlijk geďnformeerd over de
materieelwijzigingen.
Zij worden in de gelegenheid gesteld om hun ticket om te boeken of te downgraden
- Economy Class-passagiers ontvangen tijdig een bericht van KLM-Connect
- Passagiers die al voor een stoel hebben betaald, krijgen opnieuw een stoel toegewezen en ontvangen een refund indien er geen stoel beschikbaar is, waarvoor zij hebben betaald
- Speciale verzoeken (SSR’s) die al zijn ingediend, worden behandeld, met uitzondering van stretchers
In de periode van 6 februari 2017 tot en met 24 maart 2017 vliegt KLM Cityhopper (KLC) tijdelijk met Transavia-toestellen naar een aantal Europese bestemmingen.
De reden van de tijdelijke aanpassing is dat KLM in deze periode een aantal vluchten van KLM Cityhopper overneemt en een leaseovereenkomst met Transavia heeft gesloten om deze vluchten te kunnen verzorgen.
De toestellen van Transavia;
- beschikken alleen over een Economy Class-cabine en hebben geen Europe Business Class en Economy Comfort Class
- hebben een KLM-crew en –catering aan boord
- kunnen tegemoet komen aan alle speciale verzoeken (SSR’s) met uitzondering van stretchers (SR STCR)
Aanvullende informatie;
- Europe Business Class-passagiers worden persoonlijk geďnformeerd over de
materieelwijzigingen.
Zij worden in de gelegenheid gesteld om hun ticket om te boeken of te downgraden
- Economy Class-passagiers ontvangen tijdig een bericht van KLM-Connect
- Passagiers die al voor een stoel hebben betaald, krijgen opnieuw een stoel toegewezen en ontvangen een refund indien er geen stoel beschikbaar is, waarvoor zij hebben betaald
- Speciale verzoeken (SSR’s) die al zijn ingediend, worden behandeld, met uitzondering van stretchers
Feb 20, 2017, 4:35 am
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Meh, the post above says you'll be allowed to downgrade. You get your money back and row 1 on Transavia isn't that much worse than row 1 on KL in EBC. For a temporary solution it looks OK to me.
Feb 20, 2017, 8:39 am
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It only applies on three routes:
Flight number From To Dates
KL1350 PRG AMS 07 February to 25 March
KL1413 AMS LYS 19 February to 25 March
KL1414 LYS AMS 19 February to 25 March
KL1847 AMS VIE 19 February to 24 March > except on Saturdays
KL1848 VIE AMS 19 February to 24 March > except on Saturdays
KL1359 AMS PRG 06 February to 24 March
Flight number From To Dates
KL1350 PRG AMS 07 February to 25 March
KL1413 AMS LYS 19 February to 25 March
KL1414 LYS AMS 19 February to 25 March
KL1847 AMS VIE 19 February to 24 March > except on Saturdays
KL1848 VIE AMS 19 February to 24 March > except on Saturdays
KL1359 AMS PRG 06 February to 24 March
Feb 21, 2017, 2:40 am
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Likely both KLC and KLM expanding fast, so 2 HV 737-800 are now operating on behalf of KLM. I think 1 AC is used for standby.
KLC recently introduced LCY flights and KLM added an extra flight to LED just days ago.
To be on the safe side production wise i guess KLM uses some HV equipment.
KLC recently introduced LCY flights and KLM added an extra flight to LED just days ago.
To be on the safe side production wise i guess KLM uses some HV equipment.
Feb 22, 2017, 12:13 am
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So, since for many people who booked long ago, the downgrade would happen right before the flight, chances are that the availability is limited and there wont be much to collect at all..
Feb 22, 2017, 2:34 am
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Chances are that a downgrade to Y may not give you much of a refund. Remember, a discounted business ticket is often similarly priced as a last-minute economy ticket.
So, since for many people who booked long ago, the downgrade would happen right before the flight, chances are that the availability is limited and there wont be much to collect at all..
So, since for many people who booked long ago, the downgrade would happen right before the flight, chances are that the availability is limited and there wont be much to collect at all..
Also this may only be for pax who've seen their equipment change from a regular KL plane to the HV one -- if you were to book such a flight now it would tell you when booking that the flight is operated using 'an transavia aircraft' (grammar error included), and that it only has eco seating.
Feb 23, 2017, 12:43 am
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KLM is not taking them over. They are KLC flights operated temporarily by Transavia. And yes I guess KLC is stretched to fly their growing network at the moment. Either lack of aircraft and/or cockpit crew due to expansion and (LCY) training.
Feb 23, 2017, 3:41 am
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Feb 23, 2017, 3:58 am
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Chances are that a downgrade to Y may not give you much of a refund. Remember, a discounted business ticket is often similarly priced as a last-minute economy ticket.
So, since for many people who booked long ago, the downgrade would happen right before the flight, chances are that the availability is limited and there wont be much to collect at all..
So, since for many people who booked long ago, the downgrade would happen right before the flight, chances are that the availability is limited and there wont be much to collect at all..
As I was connecting from long haul J on a DL ticket, DL called me last month and offered to rebook me on pretty much any itinerary I wanted, initially proposing an AF connection. I ended up keeping the KL itinerary (as discussed in the other thread).
I got an exit row seat, effectively trading lateral room for leg room. I haven't pushed the refund issue yet as I expect the price difference to be minimal. I am waiting to see how miles post before any followup. (KL took over the ticket, then rebooked the segment into Y class but with a Z fare basis.)
Feb 26, 2017, 4:25 pm
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Does PH-HZX have recline seats?
I recently flew the 1413 on a mainline 737 as well. Flying it in May again, the app says it's an E75 Provided by KLM.
Last edited by Mcflyneo; Feb 26, 2017 at 4:31 pm