Advice Requested - Northeast Weather - Page 3

dieuwer2 · Dec 22, 08, 3:09 pm

Back to normal today?

magiciansampras · Dec 22, 08, 3:26 pm

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Originally Posted by dieuwer2

Back to normal today?

BOS-DEN already canceled.

**sbm12** · Dec 22, 08, 4:37 pm

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Originally Posted by dieuwer2

Back to normal today?

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Originally Posted by magiciansampras

BOS-DEN already canceled.

Is that a yes or a no??

I tease because I love.

magiciansampras · Dec 22, 08, 4:43 pm

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Originally Posted by sbm12

Is that a yes or a no??

Some would argue that canceled flights are the norm.

Jerseyguy · Dec 22, 08, 6:51 pm

>Some would argue that canceled flights are the norm.

But not you right?

Just for perspective, the following non-Jetblue flights from Boston are canceled today.

Canceled
Air Canada 8896 Halifax
American 4806 to LGA
Cape Air 1881 to Lebanon, NH
Delta 6609 to JFK
United 2575 to DCA
United 2791 to LGA
United 2793 to LGA
United 8121 to Halifax
USAirways 2045 to DCA
USAirways 2143 to LGA
USAirways 3909 to PHL

Delays of 45 minutes or longer
Air Canada 7689 to Montreal
Air Canada 8049 to Ottawa
Airtran 811 to BWI
Air Europa 3122 to EWR
Alaska 15 to SEA
American 1939 to Miami
American 4617 to JFK
American 4619 to JFK
British Airways 214 to London-Heathrow
Cape Air 235 to Provincetown
Continental 1197 to Newark
Delta 6711 to RDU
Delta 1427 to FLL
Delta 6603 to PHL
Delta 6609 to JFK
United 545 to ORD
United 2857 to SYR
USairways 4711 to Augusta

So its not exactly business as usual for other carriers in Boston either.

**sbm12** · Dec 22, 08, 8:23 pm

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Originally Posted by Jerseyguy

Just for perspective, the following non-Jetblue flights from Boston are canceled today.
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So its not exactly business as usual for other carriers in Boston either.

Certainly not business as usual, but I think that other carriers are much less affected, certainly in terms of percentages.

797 to SDQ was canceled tonight and last night.
1239 to TPA was cxl last night and is currently 6 hour delayed tonight.
445 to MCO was cxl last night and left just now an hour late.
419 to PBI was cxl last night and is currently estimating an hour delayed departure for tonight.
759 to SJU operated pretty much on time yesterday but was cxl today
481 to LGB was cxl yesterday and today departed 3 hours late and arrived 5 hours late
1293 to PIT cxl both yesterday and today
497 to SEA cxl both days
777 to LAS was 5 hours late yesterday and cxl today
429 to PBI was cxl yesterday and is ~4 hours delayed tonight. It actually is expected to depart after 419, which it is scheduled to leave before.
1017 to JFK was cxl yesterday and 90 minutes delayed today
1257 to IAD was cxl yesterday and 4 hours delayed today
1289 to RIC was cxl yesterday but only 40 minutes delayed today
467 to RSW cxl yesterday but actually operated on time today!
455 to FLL was cxl yesterday and 6 hours delayed today
457 to FLL was cxl yesterday and 2 hours delayed today

I'm getting tired of looking them all up, but things are not at all good for B6.

CO had 5 flights to IAH today. They operated 2, 5, .33, .25 and 2 hours delayed, but none canceled. The 4 flights to CLE were .25, cxl (co ex), 1.25 and 2.5 hours delayed. Of the 9 to EWR they were cxl, 1.5, 1.5, 1.5, .25, on-time!, 1.3, .75 and 1.6 hours late. I think that JetBlue did much worse across the board in terms of performance.

flying4aliving · Dec 22, 08, 8:55 pm

Some days your the bug, some days your the windshield.

During all the storms here are the cities I flew in and out of:

MCO X2
BDA Turn
IAD X2
BOS X2
RDU X2
JFK X3
PWM X4

Either luck or good timing was on our side. The only delay we had was in BOS due to a TSA security breach.

We left for IAD with less then a half of plane full, while the flight prior to ours was hours delayed and was not leaving until a couple of hours AFTER us. The customers on the eariler flight were offered our flight, for no change fee, but most didn't want to leave their luggage on the original flight.

Go figure!

Happy Holidays everyone

**sbm12** · Dec 22, 08, 9:12 pm

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The customers on the eariler flight were offered our flight, for no change fee, but most didn't want to leave their luggage on the original flight.

Glad to hear that you've been flying mostly on-time.

Reason number 73 not to have checked bags: it reduces flexibility in cases of IRROPs.

magiciansampras · Dec 22, 08, 9:17 pm

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Originally Posted by Jerseyguy

>Some would argue that canceled flights are the norm.

But not you right?

Just for perspective, the following non-Jetblue flights from Boston are canceled today.

Canceled
Air Canada 8896 Halifax
American 4806 to LGA
Cape Air 1881 to Lebanon, NH
Delta 6609 to JFK
United 2575 to DCA
United 2791 to LGA
United 2793 to LGA
United 8121 to Halifax
USAirways 2045 to DCA
USAirways 2143 to LGA
USAirways 3909 to PHL

You've got some duplicates there. United doesn't fly BOS-LGA or BOS-DCA, those are US codeshares. And US routinely will cancel a shuttle flight if the load is low. It may not have anything to do with weather.

United doesn't fly to Halifax either, also a codeshare (and duplicate of the Air Canada flight you mentioned).

Cape Air flies Cessnas. You don't mean to compare JetBlue to a regional Cessna outfit, do you?

Jerseyguy · Dec 22, 08, 9:35 pm

Since you like talking about what flights Jetblue canceled yesterday, lets take a look at CO.

BOS to IAH
CO 1467 530am to IAH 1:25 late
CO 683 650am to IAH 0:33 late
CO 783 1015am to IAH 3:26 late
CO 1803 1245pm to IAH Canceled
CO 383 415pm to IAH Canceled
CO 183 607pm to IAH Canceled

CO 1121 630am to EWR Canceled
CO 1223 830am to EWR 3:10 late
CO 1129 1130am to EWR Canceled
CO 1177 1230pm to EWR 1:05 late
CO 3359 200pm to EWR Canceled
CO 1252 315pm to EWR Canceled
CO 1253 600pm to EWR 2:58 late

CO 3124 920am to CLE 0:23 late
CO 1497 1230pm to CLE 1:00 late
CO 1431 553pm to CLE Canceled

43% cancelation rate on Sunday (Almost half of its flights)

United on the other hand only had a 16% cancelation rate vs 43% cancelation rate. Maybe CO is in big trouble too
UA 201 600am to IAD 0:19 late
UA 427 750am to IAD 1:05 late
UA 897 920am to IAD 1:09 late
UA 7784 1217pm to IAD Canceled
UA 823 240pm to IAD 3:56 late
UA 7157 445pm to IAD Canceled
UA 861 724pm to IAD Canceled

UA 527 628am to ORD 0:35 late
UA 531 740am to ORD 1:32 late
UA 881 855am to ORD 0:41 late
UA 533 1003am to ORD 0:39 late
UA 535 1119am to ORD 1:29 late
UA 541 405pm to ORD 3:19 late
UA 543 530pm to ORD 2:34 late
UA 545 655pm to ORD Canceled

UA 339 751am to DEN 0:21 late
UA 591 954am to DEN 0:35 late
UA 779 231pm to DEN 0:31 late
UA 465 543pm to DEN 3:48 late

UA 171 600am to SFO ON-TIME
UA 173 750am to SFO 1:02 late
UA 177 1120am to SFO 2:10 late
UA 181 222pm to SFO 1:15 late
UA 179 541pm to SFO 2:52 late

JetBlueFA · Dec 23, 08, 10:07 am

Ok guys, it is almost Christmas so let's not get into an argument about who cancelled more flights or who's operating better than the rest. Weather in the Northeast and the midwest has been horrible to say the least. Let's not forget about the poor folks up in the Pacific Northwest as they are getting hammered. I've got 15" of snow on the ground here in Michigan. Everybody is going to be hurting some more than others. The other day NW cancelled almost every DTW-BOS flight and substituted in a 330. It's unfortunate that we don't have larger equipment as that would help to move people around but we try to do the best with what we've got.

davidmay · Dec 23, 08, 10:19 am

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It's unfortunate that we don't have larger equipment as that would help to move people around but we try to do the best with what we've got.

I think the frustrating part is that it's hard to tell how much JetBlue is regarding this as a crisis requiring extraordinary action, vs. being satisfied getting back to the normal schedule and letting the backlog of travelers work itself out by the 27th or so.

I don't know how hard it is to get another plane or two flying that normally wouldn't be; obviously you have pilots and crew who are expecting to be home with their families too.

I think more information would help everybody feel better. When our SEA-BOS flight was cancelled Saturday night, we found out about an extra added flight on Sunday as soon as we woke up, and we were really happy that something was being done. It's not your fault that it couldn't fly that day, but it does feel like your fault that we've had no information since then about the chances of adding a new flight sometime this week.

I assume many people are already working incredibly hard just to get all or most of the normally scheduled flights operating, but it's hard not to be very frustrated now.

caphis · Dec 23, 08, 12:36 pm

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Originally Posted by magiciansampras

Some would argue that canceled flights are the norm.

The October completion rate was 99.67%; November, 99.4%. I'd laugh, heartily, at length, at anyone who considered cancelled flights the norm.

dieuwer2 · Dec 24, 08, 11:46 am

Now what: another Northeast Weather Advisory???

JAX2BOS · Dec 24, 08, 12:29 pm

I operated flight 481 to LGB yesterday. The aircraft was ferried in from MCO. I was initially operating a JFK turn but got reassigned to this, which quite unfortunately is also a turn. Add onto the fact that we required a fuel stop in PHX, it all made for a very long day. Back to my house at 4am this morning. Fortunately our customers were in good spirits and were very understanding on both legs. Our LGB customers had a nice heads up so many were not at the airport all day and the aircraft was turned remarkably quick in LGB.