I personally think that the airline industry today is at a point where LCC are providing the higher level of service and more amenities inflight than their older legacy carrier counter parts.
LCC = Luxury Care Carrier
LEGACY = Low-End Greedy Airline Cons You
Using one specific route with specific dates is never a good sampling strategy for airfares.
Nope, it's not. I agree.
I really want to fly jetBlue.
It's just that every time I want to fly them, as I've posted here before, they are consitently (6 for 6 tries, maybe?) the most expensive carrier when I look for options for my leisure travel out of NYC.
CO is out, because it is clearly from EWR, and that's a whole different ball game than JFK/LGA pricing. Plus, it's only $20.
No. CO is not out. Just as good an option as any other carrier who serves NYC-CHI non-stop.
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So, AA/UA at $298 vs. B6 at $367 = $69 price difference. If you check just one bag on AA or UA (which most people do), you're already at $328, already a $39 price difference.
No. I'm not a chick. I don't need to check a bag for a weekend going to ballgames in Chicago.
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Is the B6 experience worth 39 bucks to you? That's for you to decide. For me, I know it is considering the IFE, legroom, free snacks, and much more personal/friendly crew.
No. It's not an experience. Its a 2, 2 and a half hour flight. No one needs to make me feel good about myself.
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Finally, I know that I will have an easier time redeeming my TB points.
Redeem how? My points, they expire in 7 months.
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Plus, let's not forget that before jetBlue entered this market, AA/UA would rape even their best customers with astronomical fares and crazy Sat. night restrictions, which UA is reinstating. Oh, how easily we forget...the JetBlue and Southwest effect!
Reconsider, it might be worth spending the few bucks on B6 upfront.
No. ATA was in this market long before jetBlue. And, when they were in the market, they were the low-fare carrier, never the most expensive option.
That's marketing Kool-Aid. jetBlue gets me from point A to point B.
Well, clearly some are not. It's a 2 hour flight. At 6' 2" I can sit in 31" of coach if I need to.
Did AA's MRTC experiment work?
Again, they both get me from point A to point B, and I really don't pay attention to what class "citizen" they treat me like. In the end, they're not in the business of making me feel special. They're in business to take me places.
Ok, I'm just going to correct myself. When I said people, I mean there are people out there that are willing to pay more.
Yes, there are always those that just view airlines as mass transit with the sole purpose of getting you from point A to point B. However, in jetBlue's case, it just simply seems that they can get away with higher fare because there are also people out there that are willing to pay more to not get treated like some random farm animals.
As for AA's MRTC experiment and jetBlue's 34" / 38" seat pitch and the old 34" / 36" seat pitch configuration for the A320 are 2 different things. The perks for the passengers are the same, you simply get more legroom during the flight. However, for jetBlue, having 150 seats instead of 156 seats in the older layout or 162 seats in the really really old layout ment reducing cost on labor because at 150 seats, you just need 3 instead of 4 inflight crew members. There is a reason why you don't have 34" seat pitch on the E190, but instead a 32" and 33" seat pitch (except for the exit row). There is no incentive there to remove a row of seats on the E190s, if you have 96 seats or 100 seats, you still need 2 in flight crew members. Even at 32" to 33" seat pitch, that is pretty good for a smaller Embraer jet.
You may view it all as marketing kool-aid, but it works. There are poeple willing to pay more to fly jetBlue... Their flying at 83%+ capacity and that is really good numbers for an airline.
Than again, my theory is based on if jetBlue are actually selling the tickets in advance and filling up the plane in advance. If that isn't the case, the high prices for advance purchase fares are set to discourage people from purchasing tickets in advance and rely on flyers that book less than 1 week out where they can get alot more money for the same seat.
No. CO is not out. Just as good an option as any other carrier who serves NYC-CHI non-stop.
Since your interested in getting from point A to point B at the lowest possible cost, I know I can get from JFK to Manhattan for as little as $2 and just under an hour... How much is it going to cost you getting from EWR to Manhattan?
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No. It's not an experience. Its a 2, 2 and a half hour flight. No one needs to make me feel good about myself.
In an earlier post, you mention that you want to fly jetBlue... if it isn't the experience (legroom, IFE, Service), than why do you want to fly jetBlue? After all, they only get you from point A to point B like any other airline.
Since your interested in getting from point A to point B at the lowest possible cost, I know I can get from JFK to Manhattan for as little as $2 and just under an hour... How much is it going to cost you getting from EWR to Manhattan?
You can't get to JFK for $2 any more. It's now $7.
It is a little more expensive to get to EWR - about $4 more each way.
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In an earlier post, you mention that you want to fly jetBlue... if it isn't the experience (legroom, IFE, Service), than why do you want to fly jetBlue? After all, they only get you from point A to point B like any other airline.
Sure - I'd be willing to fly jetBlue, as they have a hub here in NYC, and I don't have any particular loyalty keeping me with another airline. If their fares and frequent flier program were competitive, they'd be an attractive option.
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my theory is based on if jetBlue are actually selling the tickets in advance and filling up the plane in advance. If that isn't the case, the high prices for advance purchase fares are set to discourage people from purchasing tickets in advance and rely on flyers that book less than 1 week out where they can get alot more money for the same seat.
This is the more likely explanation, IMHO, assuming JetBlue didn't just goof up.
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An airline's objective is not to undersell competitors at all times. It is to maximize the total revenue achieved by the time the door closes on the flight. If a competitor is unwisely selling cheap seats on flights that are bound to sell out anyway, there's no need to match that price.
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Because jetBlue offer a completely different product than the legacy that it creates its own little supply and demand for the jetBlue experience.
I'd put B6 and VX in the same category. VX has very reasonable prices...although it is just starting like the old B6, so I don't know how long the low prices will last. However, in the mean time, VX it is for me (when I don't want to fly UA, which is very rare....maybe next year when I become a lowly 1P or 2P )
Nope, as SkaterJasp says, the city bus Q10 which has a terminus at JFK T4 connects with the subway system at Union Turnpike (E and F trains) or Ozone Park (A train). $2 gets you pretty much anywhere in the city from JFK.
Nope, as SkaterJasp says, the city bus Q10 which has a terminus at JFK T4 connects with the subway system at Union Turnpike (E and F trains) or Ozone Park (A train). $2 gets you pretty much anywhere in the city from JFK.
I will check it out. I'm dubious about the "under an hour" claim, since the E train/Airtrain is about an hour, and the bus has to be slower.
Since your interested in getting from point A to point B at the lowest possible cost, I know I can get from JFK to Manhattan for as little as $2 and just under an hour... How much is it going to cost you getting from EWR to Manhattan?
In an earlier post, you mention that you want to fly jetBlue... if it isn't the experience (legroom, IFE, Service), than why do you want to fly jetBlue? After all, they only get you from point A to point B like any other airline.
If you view airlines as just transportation, then why not take Greyhound? After all, it'll get you from New York to Chicago....
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