Business Class (on Long Haul Planes) Within Europe
Jan 26, 2016, 7:26 am
#18
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ZRH to VIE looks interesting but I am unable to find any availability online.
Jan 26, 2016, 7:41 am
#19
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To add to your list... not sure if any of these have rights though, someone else will have to check that 
BRU-CDG on ET
GVA-FRA on KU
CDG-FCO on KU
SVO-TXL on OM (Miat Airlines, for those who immediately opened a browser to google
)
CPH-OSL on PK
MXP-CDG on PK
ARN-FCO on ET
I'm also given to understand that several BA routes to Russia have the club world (business) seat, although from the amount of complaints I'm of the impression that it gets swapped out fairly frequently.
BRU-CDG on ET
GVA-FRA on KU
CDG-FCO on KU
SVO-TXL on OM (Miat Airlines, for those who immediately opened a browser to google
)CPH-OSL on PK
MXP-CDG on PK
ARN-FCO on ET
I'm also given to understand that several BA routes to Russia have the club world (business) seat, although from the amount of complaints I'm of the impression that it gets swapped out fairly frequently.
Jan 26, 2016, 8:02 am
#20
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The First options are broken down into First Saver, First Standard and First Full. First Saver isn't available no matter how far ahead I search (though it does show up in the mileage calculator at 32,500 miles). First Standard is bookable every day for 59.5k miles plus 63 quid. Maybe First Saver is bookable if you phone up?
Thanks!
To add to your list... not sure if any of these have rights though, someone else will have to check that
BRU-CDG on ET
GVA-FRA on KU
CDG-FCO on KU
SVO-TXL on OM (Miat Airlines, for those who immediately opened a browser to google)
CPH-OSL on PK
MXP-CDG on PK
ARN-FCO on ET
I'm also given to understand that several BA routes to Russia have the club world (business) seat, although from the amount of complaints I'm of the impression that it gets swapped out fairly frequently.
BRU-CDG on ET
GVA-FRA on KU
CDG-FCO on KU
SVO-TXL on OM (Miat Airlines, for those who immediately opened a browser to google
)CPH-OSL on PK
MXP-CDG on PK
ARN-FCO on ET
I'm also given to understand that several BA routes to Russia have the club world (business) seat, although from the amount of complaints I'm of the impression that it gets swapped out fairly frequently.
Jan 26, 2016, 8:09 am
#21
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Here's some reading on a recent thread of the subject:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...w-flights.html
The regular a321's get swapped out for 777/747 most often, which still have long-haul experiences, but on occasion they are swapped out for a320 which is usually accompanied by an apologetic text and sometimes some sort of compensation.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...w-flights.html
The regular a321's get swapped out for 777/747 most often, which still have long-haul experiences, but on occasion they are swapped out for a320 which is usually accompanied by an apologetic text and sometimes some sort of compensation.
Jan 26, 2016, 8:20 am
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For a 75 minute flight to FRA, it really doesn't make a great deal of difference. I've taken the long haul 767s that get swapped for the sh 767s a lot, and for such a short flight there really is no big difference. At 11am you're not going to sleep (nor will you on the early afternoon return). The IFE is not switched on, and the F&B is the same as you'd get in a regular CE cabin. Yes, it's a nicer seat, but that's about it.
Jan 26, 2016, 10:31 am
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Here are other lists:
http://www.flypointyend.com/5th-freedom-flights/
http://theforwardcabin.com/2015/01/0...-airlines-fly/
http://www.flypointyend.com/5th-freedom-flights/
http://theforwardcabin.com/2015/01/0...-airlines-fly/
Last edited by Dieuwer; Jan 26, 2016 at 10:37 am
Jan 26, 2016, 11:33 am
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Jan 26, 2016, 1:19 pm
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Jan 26, 2016, 9:42 pm
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In addition to BA, I suspect that a number of European carriers use longhaul aircraft at least sometimes on their longest routes such as SVO. I've had KLM flights between AMS and SVO on their 767 (but alas other flights on this route used narrow body aircraft).
TLV and IST are other examples of similar flights.
Ages ago LX or its predecessor used to use a wide body aircraft to/from TLV.
Once I took a TWA wide body from MUC to CDG.
TLV and IST are other examples of similar flights.
Ages ago LX or its predecessor used to use a wide body aircraft to/from TLV.
Once I took a TWA wide body from MUC to CDG.
Jan 27, 2016, 12:24 am
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Turkish
Turkish regularly flies narrow-bodies equipped with dedicated business-class 2x2 seating between Turkey and Europe.
Not quite the lie-flat seats you can get on some 5th freedom long-haul aircraft, more akin what you might be used to in US carrier's domestic first-class cabins. But you also get a chef.
Not quite the lie-flat seats you can get on some 5th freedom long-haul aircraft, more akin what you might be used to in US carrier's domestic first-class cabins. But you also get a chef
.
Jan 27, 2016, 12:46 am
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Many people wonder that! It's a bit of catering and the knowledge that cabin density will be no higher than 67% of seats. If it's legroom you're after, the exit rows trump.
Jan 27, 2016, 3:09 am
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Add in luggage allowance, lounge access (variable) & express check-in, security (variable) & boarding.