Air India Paid ~$110 Million Per Boeing 787, Including Engines
Jan 8, 2012, 9:46 am
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Air India Paid ~$110 Million Per Boeing 787, Including Engines
I dug this up in a bunch of RFPs that I found on AI's website. I didn't expect to find such interesting information when I started looking...
This really says something about the extremely steep discounts that Boeing and GE gave to early 787 customers...
It also shockingly shows that AI's negotiators showed some competence when agreeing to a purchase price, and they didn't completely overpay.
That competence clearly wasn't there when they posted this information online of course...
http://aeroblogger.com/2012/01/08/ai...er-boeing-787/
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Jan 8, 2012, 12:11 pm
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Jan 8, 2012, 12:11 pm
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I dug this up in a bunch of RFPs that I found on AI's website. I didn't expect to find such interesting information when I started looking...
This really says something about the extremely steep discounts that Boeing and GE gave to early 787 customers...
It also shockingly shows that AI's negotiators showed some competence when agreeing to a purchase price, and they didn't completely overpay.
That competence clearly wasn't there when they posted this information online of course...
http://aeroblogger.com/2012/01/08/ai...er-boeing-787/
I know from close sources that EK paid about $90-$100 for their XWB's and they weren't even remotely close to being a launch or early customer.
Jan 8, 2012, 6:40 pm
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This isn't "shockingly" low at all. AI was one of the early customers and got the appropriate discounts. AI, like usual early customers get a 35%-45% discount. The B787 5-6 years ago when AI ordered it was much cheaper as well.
I know from close sources that EK paid about $90-$100 for their XWB's and they weren't even remotely close to being a launch or early customer.
I know from close sources that EK paid about $90-$100 for their XWB's and they weren't even remotely close to being a launch or early customer.
Some people like to claim that Boeing gets no subsidy from the U.S. Govt, but it gets major subsidies through its defense business. Boeing 747 developped out of defense contract.
Jan 8, 2012, 7:04 pm
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Correct. With so few transactions discount is a mythical number. Discount off what? Hardly any major airline pays "list" price. The Govt of India also goes to bat for AI and as does the U.S. Govt helps Boeing in subtle ways.
Some people like to claim that Boeing gets no subsidy from the U.S. Govt, but it gets major subsidies through its defense business. Boeing 747 developped out of defense contract.
Some people like to claim that Boeing gets no subsidy from the U.S. Govt, but it gets major subsidies through its defense business. Boeing 747 developped out of defense contract.
Really? Have you been in the aviation industry? I actually know what some carriers have paid for some of their planes. 35%-45% isn't uncommon. Nowhere is it listed that Boeing gave AI a 50%+ discount off of list price.
Here is something of interest:
"What caught our eye in the article is the repair bill: US$140m. This is widely reported to be the pricing for the launch customers when the A380 program was launched (though we have no idea if this is QF’s early-bird pricing). Wow."
http://leehamnews.wordpress.com/2012...rn-to-service/
At the time of A380's being sold for $140 m(according to the reference above), "list price" were about $230-$235m (you can fact-find this yourself). That is about a 40% discount calculated from the numbers. Don't be surprised if a few carriers paid even less than that...
Jan 9, 2012, 1:43 am
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The 787s were part of a larger package that included the 777LR etc. 100 mio per aircraft sounds about right, god only knows what was paid in 'commission'.
The first few 787s delivered should have massive rework done on them, ANA is reportedly only going to use them for regional flights because their performance will be far below the parameters originally hawked. If the new 787s cannot fly BOM-NYC or some other ULH AI supposedly bought them for they actually paid too much
The first few 787s delivered should have massive rework done on them, ANA is reportedly only going to use them for regional flights because their performance will be far below the parameters originally hawked. If the new 787s cannot fly BOM-NYC or some other ULH AI supposedly bought them for they actually paid too much
Jan 9, 2012, 2:09 am
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The 787s were part of a larger package that included the 777LR etc. 100 mio per aircraft sounds about right, god only knows what was paid in 'commission'.
The first few 787s delivered should have massive rework done on them, ANA is reportedly only going to use them for regional flights because their performance will be far below the parameters originally hawked. If the new 787s cannot fly BOM-NYC or some other ULH AI supposedly bought them for they actually paid too much
The first few 787s delivered should have massive rework done on them, ANA is reportedly only going to use them for regional flights because their performance will be far below the parameters originally hawked. If the new 787s cannot fly BOM-NYC or some other ULH AI supposedly bought them for they actually paid too much
