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Old Aug 13, 2013, 8:03 pm
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Seat maps for the A330-200, A330-300, and A340-600
(update 15 Dec 2019)

Notes (applicable to all three aircraft types):
Business Plus cabins: window seats are even numbered; honeymoon pairs are odd numbered;
The row numbering sequence avoids the use of number 13


Aircraft movements
A330-200
EC-MIL(click for flight history)
EC-MJA(click for flight history)
EC-MJT(click for flight history)
EC-MKI (click for flight history)
EC-MKJ (click for flight history)
EC-MLB (click for flight history)
EC-MLP(click for flight history)

A330-300
MSN 1377, 17 Jan 2013: EC-LUB
MSN 1385, 11 Feb 2013: EC-LUK
MSN 1405, 4 Apr 2013: EC-LUX
MSN 1426, 13 Jun 2013: EC-LXK
MSN 1437, 17 Jul 2013: EC-LYF
MSN 1490, 24 Jan 2014: EC-LZJ
MSN 1507, 17 Mar 2014 : EC-LZX
MSN 1515, 22 April 2014 : EC-MAA

A340-600
MSN 1079: EC-LEV(click for flight history)
MSN 0960: EC-LEU (click for flight history)
MSN 0341: EC-INO (click for flight history)
MSN 1122: EC-LFS (click for flight history)
MSN 0440: EC-IOB (click for flight history)
MSN 0720: EC-JLE (click for flight history)
MSN 0460: EC-IQR (click for flight history)
MSN 0744: EC-JPU (click for flight history)
MSN 0993: EC-LCZ (click for flight history)
MSN 0661: EC-IZX (click for flight history)
MSN 0606: EC-JBA (click for flight history)
MSN 0604: EC-IZY (click for flight history)
MSN 0616: EC-JCY (click for flight history)
MSN 0619: EC-JCZ (click for flight history)
MSN 0672: EC-JFX(click for flight history)
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Old Feb 3, 2016, 5:31 am
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I m looking for flights to South America by end of the year (ECE, MVD,SCL) - when I check seatmaps they sometimes show the old config. is there a way to predict where I can go with the Plus seats for sure?
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Old Feb 3, 2016, 8:11 am
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Not really, it is quite unpredictable. The best you can do is look at the history of your intended flight on FlightAware to try to guess the frequency. And even then you never know. Of course, with the new planes the probability of ending up in the old configuration is decreasing.
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Old Feb 3, 2016, 9:12 am
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Originally Posted by Ed Size
I m looking for flights to South America by end of the year (ECE, MVD,SCL) - when I check seatmaps they sometimes show the old config. is there a way to predict where I can go with the Plus seats for sure?
No way to know for sure, but MVD tends to be the 343 333 and will soon be mostly 342 332 which as the new business class. SCL is *usually* the 346 which will be 100% refurbished as well.

If you are going in J it's certainly worth the risk since the old seats aren't that bad.
Last edited by LupineChemist; Feb 3, 2016 at 11:37 pm Reason: Mixed up my types
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Old Feb 3, 2016, 5:32 pm
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So is 342 a 343 with new J?
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Old Feb 3, 2016, 11:44 pm
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Sorry, I messed up my types. I meant the 330s, I edited the post to reflect the reality.

The 343s are the planes you want to avoid as they are the old configurations. They were planned to be retired with the new 330s but current fuel prices mean they are going to keep going for longer with no plans to be refurbished.
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Old Feb 4, 2016, 7:23 am
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Originally Posted by LupineChemist

The 343s are the planes you want to avoid as they are the old configurations. They were planned to be retired with the new 330s but current fuel prices mean they are going to keep going for longer with no plans to be refurbished.
Definitely avoid these 343s. Problem though is that they seem to be used on the non-daily rotations on the flight times I prefer for avoiding jetlag - i.e. departing EZE or SCL late at night to arrive early afternoon to MAD after a decent amount of sleep.

Yesterday the purser came over for a chat and asked "is everything still working with your seats?"

Always a struggle with my fear-of-flying missus to convince her that the wings or engines won't fall off when the seats look like they were installed in the 70s.
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Old Feb 4, 2016, 9:45 am
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I don't know, they are old but I think they are comfortable in J (the main flaw is probably the old IFE). The real problem is if you get them in Y... I normally fly economy but I've managed to avoid the old configuration since a 2011 flight to Boston. Since then my only flight with the old cabins was my MAD-JFK return after Christmas, thankfully an odd occassion when I had used points to book J.
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Old Feb 7, 2016, 9:04 am
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So, just another newbie to the brand popping over to ask what everyone asks...seeing the "346" designation on my MAD-ORD for December 2016, along with the old seat map on EF, but guessing that that is just a placeholder for wayyyyy out and the odds of getting this old product are quite low by the time this rolls around. Confirm/deny?
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Old Feb 9, 2016, 8:29 am
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Now I am really confused! We are on IB Flight 6250 on June 10, JFK-MAD. I used AA miles for the trip. We are on a 345 (both IB and AA websites indicate this aircraft), yet we have seats 3A and 3C. How is that possible?
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Old Feb 9, 2016, 9:03 am
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It is weird. The seat map for that flight is indeed that of the unrenovated A340-600 (42 J seats in 7 rows), even though it says A340-500. Maybe your particular plane is the one being refurbished right now?
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Old Feb 9, 2016, 10:12 am
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Originally Posted by crutch222
Now I am really confused! We are on IB Flight 6250 on June 10, JFK-MAD. I used AA miles for the trip. We are on a 345 (both IB and AA websites indicate this aircraft), yet we have seats 3A and 3C. How is that possible?
My best guess is they are doing something weird with the codes for 345 and 346 for the times after the refurbishments are completed and it's just some weird error. It will only be the 343 in the old config at that point. KZI is the last frame and is currently in the shop now.
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Old Feb 9, 2016, 6:43 pm
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EZE-MAD (IB 6856) in early April shows in EF as a 342, which from this thread I understand to be the new A340 configuration. The EF seat maps shows only seats 1-4 in J. IB and BA's MMB both show me in 5A, which EF says doesn't exist. If I tell BA I want to change my seat, it brings me an IB page with a different PNR, and that shows me in 1A. Very strange. The IB MMB also says I can not select seats.

Is there a seat 5A?

Is seat 1A or 5A good for a solo traveler?
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Old Feb 10, 2016, 3:13 am
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The 2nd A330-200 will be delivered shortly.
I haven't read any update on the A340-300, ie if they still have all 5 or if any has been retired?
Or perhaps if they have changed their mind and will refurbish them....
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Old Feb 10, 2016, 3:43 am
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Originally Posted by Hannibal Lecter
The 2nd A330-200 will be delivered shortly.
I haven't read any update on the A340-300, ie if they still have all 5 or if any has been retired?
Or perhaps if they have changed their mind and will refurbish them....
As I recall they were supposed to be retired but they are basically just being kept around while fuel is so cheap before being retired. So they are living on borrowed time and will not be refurbished.
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Old Feb 10, 2016, 9:34 am
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Flying ORD-MAD in April and my wife and I just got booted out of the honeymoon seats in the new business class. Of course there are no more available. Anyone else have experience with this?
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