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Old Jul 8, 05, 8:19 pm   #1
 
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Question Why all Hampton Inn in Manhattan are so expensive?

Can anybody tell why all Hampton Inn in Manhattan are so expensive? All four have hit the $300 threshold even in shoulder season (early spring or late summer). This is non sense. I even find some dates where the Waldorf has some rooms cheaper than those "mid priced" hotels.

For example, the Hampton Inn Chelsea asks $348.30 for arrival on November 11th. This is a AAA rate. The lowest "Best available rate" is $387. This is a fine hotel but I'll never pay those prices for that brand. For the three other Hampton Inn, rates vary from $363 to $384. The Hampton Inn close to Madison Square garden have received mixed reviews. The other two are not open yet but one of them is located downtown and is not cheaper on weekend. With such prices, using 30000 points at the Chelsea location for a reward night is an interesting option.

Competitors are less voracious. You can find some Courtyard for $259 for the same dates. This is not cheap but more in line with the market.

I simply don't understand the Hilton price structures for their Manhattan hotels. There are no significant differences in price between Hampton Inn hotels and their more luxurious full service brands.

Also, there will be a new Garden Inn close to Times Square later this year. It is not bookable yet but I hope their prices will be closer to the market. If you have some informations to share about this property, it will be interesting to know.
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Old Jul 8, 05, 8:21 pm   #2
 
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It's Manhattan.

What else but to expect high prices for lodging?
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Old Jul 8, 05, 8:24 pm   #3
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Yes, only in Manhattan!
Someone has to "pay" for all the high NYC and NYS taxes, as well as all the utilities!
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Old Jul 8, 05, 9:37 pm   #4
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The one in Chelsea is always booked, it's right near my office, and I've only been able to get a room there once, the place is always full, or near full, so they get full price.

I just booked a room at the NY Hilton on a prepaid rate that was significantly less then the regular rate, so make sure you check all rates, sometimes there are deals.
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Old Jul 10, 05, 8:10 am   #5
 
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We stayed at The Hampton Inn Madison Square Garden in May. I see why they put the flat screen TV on the wall, you hardly had enough space to walk between the wall & the bed. They only have two elevators which were really slow and eventually broke down. The breakfast area is also quite crowded with chairs and tables. It was not very soundproof either.

I agree one would be better off staying someplace else, because of the high rates charged. It amazed me that some guests thought this was a normal room size for NYC.
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Old Jul 10, 05, 10:58 am   #6
 
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All big cities tend to be super high in their room rates especially in choice areas. It may be reasonable to stay at the Newark Hilton which is connected by a bridge to Newark Penn Station. It is only $1.50 ride to Manhattan (stops at WTC, Greenwich Village, Midtown) with a ride of 30-45 minutes. It is only a fifteen minute walk to the Ironbound section with a load of Spanish-Portuguese restaurants.
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Old Jul 10, 05, 11:37 am   #7
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Could it be that alot of groups are using the HI and that will limit the availability and wipe out the lower rates?

I'll 2nd the idea of staying in NJ either in Newark or in other cities(may not have a Hilton Prop) and use the trains to get back & forth. Friends always do it. Its a bit of a hassle but you'll save alot of $$$$. Thats what I do when in London,I stay 1/2 bus ride outside the Main Downtown part and more than offset the travel in the $$$ that Im saving on the hotel. I do give up some conviences but gain alot by being in a reg residental area, more of a feeling of where I am rather than pure Touristy
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Old Jul 10, 05, 1:09 pm   #8
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Manhattan prices are crazy. I've been looking at spending a week in NYC and have given up temporarily. When a budget LaQuinta wants USD$169/night, something is wrong. Forget the $300-400 for some more luxury options.

But I can fathom supply & demand and leafing through the tourism info, IIRC, annual occupancy rates are over 80%.

I wanted to stay in the heart of the city, but for $99/night I just may take up the suggestion of previous poster and stay at EWR HL.
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Old Jul 10, 05, 2:26 pm   #9
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The one in Chelsea is always booked, it's right near my office, and I've only been able to get a room there once, the place is always full, or near full, so they get full price.
Agreed - the Chelsea Hampton and Four Points by Sheraton can be quite pricey and often more expensive than their respective parent company's full-service brands elsewhere in Manhattan. On the same point, both of those properties are showing SOLD OUT for a 4-night stay beginning 7/11/2005. I would say that the yield management software of the said properties is telling them what to charge (a lot) and when (all of the time) . . . and it seems to be working right now.
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All big cities tend to be super high in their room rates especially in choice areas. It may be reasonable to stay at the Newark Hilton which is connected by a bridge to Newark Penn Station. It is only $1.50 ride to Manhattan (stops at WTC, Greenwich Village, Midtown) with a ride of 30-45 minutes. It is only a fifteen minute walk to the Ironbound section with a load of Spanish-Portuguese restaurants.
So you can easily walk across the bridge to the train station? I'd appreciate any other info on HH properties that are easily within walking distance to NYC trains. I make about 5-6 trips per year to NYC and can sometimes catch the Millenium or DT Metropolitan within my rate but usually end up staying at a corporate negotiated property.
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Old Jul 10, 05, 4:09 pm   #11
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So you can easily walk across the bridge to the train station? I'd appreciate any other info on HH properties that are easily within walking distance to NYC trains. I make about 5-6 trips per year to NYC and can sometimes catch the Millenium or DT Metropolitan within my rate but usually end up staying at a corporate negotiated property.
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Old Jul 10, 05, 7:23 pm   #12
 
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So you can easily walk across the bridge to the train station? I'd appreciate any other info on HH properties that are easily within walking distance to NYC trains. I make about 5-6 trips per year to NYC and can sometimes catch the Millenium or DT Metropolitan within my rate but usually end up staying at a corporate negotiated property.

Make a left coming out of the main lobby and walk about 2 minutes. Take the escalator down and you are in Newark Penn Station. Walk straight to the end of the Plaza, make a right, go up the escalator, on to the platform and pay your $1.50 fare. At night the bridge is closed but it is a two minute walk across the street to the hotel. Plently of NJ Transit and Port Authority police in the area. Also, on the other side of Penn station is the Ironbound section. Great restaurants serving great Spanish and Portuguese food - at reasonable proces.
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Old Jul 10, 05, 8:48 pm   #13
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Hotels/brands such as this are priced at perhaps price points more than one would expect because people associate them with "value." There are some who might figure "oh schytte, if the Hampton is $X, the Hilton must be $X + $100.

Southwest operates the same way. There are some that figure WN will always be the "cheapest option" and not even check the others, even those that may provide more service.
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Old Jul 10, 05, 9:34 pm   #14
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Plain and simple, supply and demand. Stay across the water in Jersey, save a lot.
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Old Jul 10, 05, 9:43 pm   #15
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BOS area also pretty high-cost...maybe $179-$199 per room.

I understand it's location-sensitive.

What I don't understand is how the higher-end brands within HH (ES, HGI) then also end up being in the same ballpark price in those areas. Why ever choose HI in this case?
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