AXON Hilton Honors Award Questions and Information: The Definitive Thread
#901
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: PHX
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As it turns out, she deducted 170,000, not 140,000 -- in other words, she booked the AXON and took the 140k, and then took 170k, which is the equivalent of a VIP, I think, for a cat 7. It was weird. I logged out and logged in, and they were back in the account right after the call.
You have to watch your Hilton account like a hawk. It's very hard to keep track online because they don't have a very good page that shows transactions.
#902
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
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It was funny, I noticed in my account and called back and got the very same diamond desk agent. I didn't recognize it, but she did -- she credited it right away while mumbling something that I couldn't understand about why it happened.
As it turns out, she deducted 170,000, not 140,000 -- in other words, she booked the AXON and took the 140k, and then took 170k, which is the equivalent of a VIP, I think, for a cat 7. It was weird. I logged out and logged in, and they were back in the account right after the call.
You have to watch your Hilton account like a hawk. It's very hard to keep track online because they don't have a very good page that shows transactions.
As it turns out, she deducted 170,000, not 140,000 -- in other words, she booked the AXON and took the 140k, and then took 170k, which is the equivalent of a VIP, I think, for a cat 7. It was weird. I logged out and logged in, and they were back in the account right after the call.
You have to watch your Hilton account like a hawk. It's very hard to keep track online because they don't have a very good page that shows transactions.
I actually resort to Excel spreadsheet to keep track of the In and Out of the account because HHonor does not show the deduction, only the addition - this makes it very hard to see award booking / cancellation activities to reconcile the account.
IHG despite the many shortcomings of its low-value Priority Club program, it shows every movement of the account. Now with improvement, it even shows exactly what reservation it was related to, date and property, as well as the date you did it.
Club Carlson also has a comprehensive account activity details.
One HHonor rep told me at one point they had it, but then it was shown in a crazy manner - points first deducted from member account and sent to HHonor program, then deducted from your HHonor program "escrow" account and sent to the hotel - she said it was confusing and they received a lot of calls from customers complaining about the points being deducted twice... but what it did was just going thru a temporary holding place - to avoid constant calls coming in about this, the IT took the function off. But then may be there is some codes not fully cleaned out, therefore occasionally we experience such double deduction? Who knows? All we know is, HHonor's IT is very bad, and no real improvement in sight.
#903
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: PHX
Posts: 4,787
So, what happened is that I booked the award, they took 145k, my cert says 170 like it always does, and then when I checked my account they had taken a total of 315k. They fixed it by putting 170k back in.
#904
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Melbourne, Florida, USA
Posts: 2,983
Good news being reported by thepointsguy on his blog, although we don't know the whole deal yet (the question still remains about which hotel categories will be covered):
http://thepointsguy.com/2013/03/amex...fter-march-28/
http://thepointsguy.com/2013/03/amex...fter-march-28/
#905
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: PHX
Posts: 4,787
Good news being reported by thepointsguy on his blog, although we don't know the whole deal yet (the question still remains about which hotel categories will be covered):
http://thepointsguy.com/2013/03/amex...fter-march-28/
http://thepointsguy.com/2013/03/amex...fter-march-28/
#906
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 114
If that's true, it could really take some of the teeth out of the devaluation if the AXON prices are fixed, and not seasonal. If Category 9 Axons are based around the 50k base points and not the 80k seasonal points, that's a huge improvement.
#907
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,905
Good news being reported by thepointsguy on his blog, although we don't know the whole deal yet (the question still remains about which hotel categories will be covered):
http://thepointsguy.com/2013/03/amex...fter-march-28/
http://thepointsguy.com/2013/03/amex...fter-march-28/
#908
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: PHX
Posts: 4,787
I don't understand -- the pointsguy confirmed directly with Amex and Hilton reps that AXON will continue. Is the point this isn't news until we know what the terms will be? I think it's noteworthy that AXON will continue in some fashion.
#909
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My bet is, AXON will stay but because of the pt levels are up so much, whatever discount the AXON still offers, become literally no value when the total points required for the current 7 future 9 or 10 level, would still almost doubled than what it is now.
In other words, even if it stays, it does not make much of a difference in the upcoming devaluation.
In other words, even if it stays, it does not make much of a difference in the upcoming devaluation.
#910
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: PHX
Posts: 4,787
My bet is, AXON will stay but because of the pt levels are up so much, whatever discount the AXON still offers, become literally no value when the total points required for the current 7 future 9 or 10 level, would still almost doubled than what it is now.
In other words, even if it stays, it does not make much of a difference in the upcoming devaluation.
In other words, even if it stays, it does not make much of a difference in the upcoming devaluation.
Right now, a category 7 for 4 nights is 200k for a standard award, 170k for a VIP award, and 145k for an AXON award. So, AXON is basically 85 percent of VIP rates and 72.5 percent of standard.
If they keep these rough percentages, I'd be happy -- at least happy enough. New category 8, with seasonal fluctuations, will be 40k to 70k. Let's call it an average of 60k. A standard award would thus be 240k for 4 nights. For a VIP award, a 5-night stay would also be 240k, or an average of 48k per night -- so let's say it averages out to 192k for 4 nights. If AXON8 kept the same rough percentages, it would be around 170k. AXON9 would be 200k. AXON10 would be 245k. To be sure, this would be massive devaluation over what AXON used to be, but will still pull the sting a bit.
So, anyway, I'm going to go on record with my guesses. I think that there will not be an AXON for all categories -- just 8, 9 and 10. And my guess is that it will be 170k, 210k, and 250k. Maybe they will keep AXON7 and even keep it at 145k, as though they are giving us something great.
#911
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 132
The problem is why introduce seasonal variations then suddenly not use them. I think an AXON replacement is going to need to take into account the seasonal variations. The only way to do that is to offer some type of deal other then a set point level. For example a 4th night free deal, or a 10% back offer.
My money is on a 4th night free deal. It is small enough that it seems likely at being a 25% discount vs. 20% with the 5th night free. Plus it should be easy to implement.
My money is on a 4th night free deal. It is small enough that it seems likely at being a 25% discount vs. 20% with the 5th night free. Plus it should be easy to implement.
#912
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 1,727
The problem is why introduce seasonal variations then suddenly not use them. I think an AXON replacement is going to need to take into account the seasonal variations. The only way to do that is to offer some type of deal other then a set point level. For example a 4th night free deal, or a 10% back offer.
My money is on a 4th night free deal. It is small enough that it seems likely at being a 25% discount vs. 20% with the 5th night free. Plus it should be easy to implement.
My money is on a 4th night free deal. It is small enough that it seems likely at being a 25% discount vs. 20% with the 5th night free. Plus it should be easy to implement.
#913
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#914
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Southern MN
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E cert in junk/spam account.